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Started by shadows, January 17, 2010, 08:01:40 PM

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shadows

Hawkins: It was not my intention to ignore your post as it is related to well thought out questions and easy to understand.  I am aware that I do get out of bounds some times on the subject but to me all things have been reality.  I have related education to the written books that other have written.  It only seems a duplication in the description of the part of the elephant that you place you hand on in the darkest of night. Ones IQ or common horse sense is now and tomorrow the guiding factor as to success in life.

I am a native of Tulsa and have been a free agent for the last 89 years.  I have negotiated labor contracts for the union and in time where it was not uncommon to be ask to leave the owners office when suggesting that employees make better workers if they are given a paid week off.  Then when even suggest at other time that their bills continue when they are taking a holiday of and would make better workers if they could relax knowing they could meet the bills for the holiday.  Response "Hell man don't know who owns this company and who is an employee".  Many time I would have to meet with the late Mr. Emory of the US Conciliation service to keep from being thrown out of the office.

You can take a group of workers and get the election held at that time and once it was certified would if not kept under constant control become violent. It stretches ones imagination to believe these workers, as a group do not make unreasonable demands.  I have had many employees in operating other business so one can say I have been on both sides of the fence and may be prejudice as to where the grass is greener.

Since the council is supposed to be a cross section of the city population with some having employer/employee relationship it would be most appropriate for them to negotiate the union contract at the table then they will realize why the unions receive an un-audited majority of the general funding provided the tax paying public dedicated to two unions with many perks. 

Having already said I was not very fond of the mayor when he was on the council but the crisis he is trying to place a band-aid on was established by previous city officials who allowed the unions to bagger the negotiators into signing contracts without respect to the needs of the aged and working poor.  Let alone bankrupting the city in time.  If such were to happen the union would only take its check book and walk away while the mayor keeps trying to sort out the mess that has been dumped on his plate.  Time is not favorable to dreamers as the reaper with the scepter in hand watches over them.

Democracy is only a word in the dictionary.  In our life span they have fought at four wars costing thousands of lives still we call its democracy as we place armed guards beside the ballot boxes and troops to enforce the supposed democracy.

Before we have come out of such crisis with the beat of the drums of war.

PS 17588 look behind you where greed has a hold on the future and BOA has established a special line to transfer money to Mexico. ;D

   

     
Today we stand in ecstasy and view that we build today'
Tomorrow we will enter into the plea to have it torn away.

rwarn17588

Quote from: shadows on January 22, 2010, 12:25:13 AM

PS 17588 look behind you where greed has a hold on the future and BOA has established a special line to transfer money to Mexico. ;D


No Mexican immigrant is going to get ahold of my job. Unlike you, I can actually write a coherent sentence most of the time.

shadows

Quote from: rwarn17588 on January 22, 2010, 06:48:52 AM
No Mexican immigrant is going to get ahold of my job. Unlike you, I can actually write a coherent sentence most of the time.
I suppose in my incoherent posting there are some thing that are not understandable.  In the current issue of the TW on electronic ticketing the reason for spending near a half million dollars for the texing gadgets is because "The system also is expected to reduce the number of tickets that cannot be prosecuted because they are lost, ILLEGIBLE, or lacking in information".

Are they talking about the police officers required to have attended 4 years of college and receive extra pay for attending, who cannot write where it can be read?

The US secretary of education made the statement that "We are issuing six hundred thousand diplomas to persons each year who cannot even read the diploma". 
Today we stand in ecstasy and view that we build today'
Tomorrow we will enter into the plea to have it torn away.

Red Arrow

Quote from: shadows on January 23, 2010, 04:45:09 PM
I suppose in my incoherent posting there are some thing that are not understandable. 

Are you trying to take my title for the understatement of the year?
 

rwarn17588

Quote from: shadows on January 23, 2010, 04:45:09 PM
I suppose in my incoherent posting there are some thing that are not understandable. 


Unintentional post of the week.  :D

shadows

In all the talks of negotiating the phrase keep coming up " I took this job because of it being secure".  I may have missed the point some where because the foundation on which Socialistic Republics are established is that government owns everything and it doles the money out to the citizens.  Being this is the well paved road to Communism, Red China may see some light at the end of the tunnel, since we owe them trillions of dollars in balance of payment, trying to print our way out of debt with unsecured paper money.   This could be the solution.

If Tulsa ask Washington for a set of the $100 plates like we furnished Saddam in the Iran/Iraq conflict to print as much money as he needed we would have the budgeting situation under control with money of the same value that Washington is printing.  Negotiating problems are easy to solve.  Tulsa is broke and will possible be more broke in 18 months. 

Bartlett said he would run the city like private companies are run.  He sure is doing that.
Today we stand in ecstasy and view that we build today'
Tomorrow we will enter into the plea to have it torn away.

patric

Quote from: Hawkins on January 20, 2010, 05:33:42 PM
They have freedom to move to Dallas and work for a better-equipped police department. Just let nature take its course. Things will get worse in Tulsa before they get better.

I couldnt help but think what a hoot it would be if this guy turned out to be a Tulsa transplant:

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local-beat/Raw_Video__Officer_Goes_on_Profanity-Laced_Tirade_Dallas-Fort_Worth.html
"Tulsa will lay off police and firemen before we will cut back on unnecessarily wasteful streetlights."  -- March 18, 2009 TulsaNow Forum