Oklahoma et. al. to Follow Arizona

[swake]

First scenario:
So, lets say you are a cop in Arizona and have stopped a driver for speeding.  He has no license, no insurance, and speaks no English.  You have been charged with the responsibility of verifying his citizenship.  What do you do?

Second scenario:
You are a cop in Arizona. A van drives by and you see 12 Hispanic occupants. What do you do?

Well, in the second case so long as everyone is legally seated and belted and the van is in legal physical condition with legal tags the cop has no right to even pull the van over.

[Gaspar]

In both cases Swake & DBack you are following the law correctly. 

So where would the Arizona law allow you to legally profile?

Can you show me any scenario where the law gives you the authority to profile?

[Conan71]

Rep Randy Terrill from Moore. A Tea Party favorite and our anti-immigration and English only standard bearer. Also dirty as hell and a racist.

http://newsok.com/oklahoma-state-rep.-randy-terrill-got-home-loan-during-bankruptcy/article/3469776

http://www.muskogeepolitico.com/2010/03/randy-terrill-and-opea-sweetheart.html

http://www.newson6.com/Global/story.asp?S=12606333

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20081028_12_OKLA735778

http://www.okgazette.com/p/12776/a/1220/Default.aspx?ReturnUrl=LwBEAGUAZgBhAHUAbAB0AC4AYQBzAHAAeAAslashAHAAPQAxADIANwAyADkA

Terrill is a troglodyte, but none of your citations squarely points to him being a racist and the "conspiracy" issue is not dissimilar from the recent controversy surrounding the Obama administration for offering Joe Sestak a job to get him to drop out of a political race.  Nor is there anything apparently sinister about him getting a mortgage for his new home unless IBC Bank is a contributor to his political campaigns.

He's a typical politician from what I'm reading in the stories you posted.  I'm not a particular fan of his, but you are playing a little fast with the facts.

[swake]

Terrill is a troglodyte, but none of your citations squarely points to him being a racist and the "conspiracy" issue is not dissimilar from the recent controversy surrounding the Obama administration for offering Joe Sestak a job to get him to drop out of a political race.  Nor is there anything apparently sinister about him getting a mortgage for his new home unless IBC Bank is a contributor to his political campaigns.

He's a typical politician from what I'm reading in the stories you posted.  I'm not a particular fan of his, but you are playing a little fast with the facts.

He also hid assets during his bankruptcy and was caught taking illegal campaign contributions.  On top of the current charges that's more than enough to call him dirty.

And there's this, if he had just written the immigration bill, he might have an argument that he's not a racist, but then he adds his English only bill to remove doubt about his motivations, and then it turns out his immigration bill was written by a group funded by White Supremacists and run by a man under watch by the ADL? Come on Conan, there's a lot more than smoke there.

[Conan71]

He also hid assets during his bankruptcy and was caught taking illegal campaign contributions.  On top of the current charges that's more than enough to call him dirty.

And there's this, if he had just written the immigration bill, he might have an argument that he's not a racist, but then he adds his English only bill to remove doubt about his motivations, and then it turns out his immigration bill was written by a group funded by White Supremacists and run by a man under watch by the ADL? Come on Conan, there's a lot more than smoke there.

I could go that direction by associating President Obama with the New Black Panthers or Jeremiah Wright.  God only knows what could ultimately come out of the Blago trial.

Terrill sounds pretty much like most every other politician out there.

[Gaspar]

When politicians say "I'm in politics," it may or may not be possible to trust them, but when they say, "I'm in public service," you know you should flee. – Albert Jay Nock

[dbacks fan]

In both cases Swake & DBack you are following the law correctly.  

So where would the Arizona law allow you to legally profile?

Can you show me any scenario where the law gives you the authority to profile?

I had to think about this one, and I came up with a scenario (that I remember seeing on "Real Stories Of the Highway Patrol" from back in the mid 90's).

A Texas state trooper noticed two hispanic men filling up a Honda Civic with gas along either I-10 or I-20 in western Texas. He noticed that they spent a very short time at the pump. Less than 100 miles down the road he saw them go through the same actions putting gas in the car. He later noticed them repeating the same thing less than 100 miles again, which led him to believe that something was in the gas tank besides gas. On instinct he pulled them over for a minor traffic violation, found that they had no DL, and brought out a drug dog that hit on the car, and after impounding the car found that the gas tank would only hold about two gallons of gas with the drugs that were packed inside. He acted on the fact that the highway they were on was a known drug route, and figured Hispanic, stopping for gas three times in less that 200 miles were clues.

The other one is a duh. Two vehicles traveling on I-10 from Tucson to Phoenix, engaged in a gun battle in morning rush hour traffic in the south Tempe/Ahwatukee area of the valley. Or the video I previously posted, a Hispanic in a 15 passenger van that appears overloaded and the officer runs the tag and it comes back as stolen or doesn't match the vehicle it's on.

Call it instinct, intuition, training or luck, that's fine. At least we are not San Francisco that is a Sanctuary City, where the police by city ordinance work under a "Don't ask, don't tell" policy where if you are an illegal from where ever, even if you tell the officer you are illegal they will not report you.

Time Magazine article:

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1826850,00.html

http://www.sfgsa.org/index.aspx?page=1067

http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/Drivers-arrest-ignites-sanctuary-city-debate-97831849.html

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/san_francisco&id=7115921

Guess the winds of change are blowing:
"The Secure Communities program, which has been rolled out in more than 160 local jurisdictions and is expected to be nationwide by 2013, automatically checks the immigration status of anyone arrested or booked for either a misdemeanor or felony."

http://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2010/05/san-francisco-no-longer-a-sanctuary-city.html