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Started by Gaspar, December 20, 2011, 03:51:01 PM

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Teatownclown

Republicans are hypocrites, they're just too stupid to know it. :P

Conan71

Quote from: Teatownclown on December 20, 2011, 06:59:53 PM
Republicans are hypocrites, they're just too stupid to know it. :P

You're in a foul mood, lighten up clown!
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

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we vs us

For what it's worth, I came across a combat vet and author who agrees with me:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/12/20/i-hate-the-taliban-afghan-war-vet-says-but-biden-was-right.html

"So while it sounds bad at first, I think the vice president is correct in stating an obvious truth: we have accomplished our mission of destroying Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda in Afghanistan, but cannot defeat the Taliban militarily. The smart thing to do is to change our approach to one that envisions the Taliban's return to the political fold, under a framework that forces moderation upon their extremist elements, denies haven to extremist international terrorist organizations, and ultimately ends the war in Afghanistan."

Conan71

Quote from: we vs us on December 21, 2011, 09:45:46 AM
For what it's worth, I came across a combat vet and author who agrees with me:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/12/20/i-hate-the-taliban-afghan-war-vet-says-but-biden-was-right.html

"So while it sounds bad at first, I think the vice president is correct in stating an obvious truth: we have accomplished our mission of destroying Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda in Afghanistan, but cannot defeat the Taliban militarily. The smart thing to do is to change our approach to one that envisions the Taliban's return to the political fold, under a framework that forces moderation upon their extremist elements, denies haven to extremist international terrorist organizations, and ultimately ends the war in Afghanistan."

At some point our enemies in Japan and Germany became our allies. 

In effect I agree with what he's saying here, it's the only rational approach at this point unless we want to be in Afghanistan another 50 years.  So long as the Taliban's radical elements have been contained, I think it might be worth a diplomatic approach. 

Still doesn't change the fact that Biden has a severe case of engaging mouth before brain though.

"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

AquaMan

Quote from: Conan71 on December 21, 2011, 09:50:09 AM
At some point our enemies in Japan and Germany became our allies. 

In effect I agree with what he's saying here, it's the only rational approach at this point unless we want to be in Afghanistan another 50 years.  So long as the Taliban's radical elements have been contained, I think it might be worth a diplomatic approach. 

Still doesn't change the fact that Biden has a severe case of engaging mouth before brain though.


I wonder if they haven't used him tactically as we used to use those people in our company. Quite possible that he was allowed, or directed, to throw out these remarks. He could then take the heat, yet, start the discussion. If it fails to generate support, well, another Bidenism. If it is viewed as described by you and WevsUs, then it was our idea and he leaked it a little early.

I agree it sounds like the inevitable conclusion to that conflict.
onward...through the fog

Conan71

Quote from: AquaMan on December 21, 2011, 10:00:45 AM
I wonder if they haven't used him tactically as we used to use those people in our company. Quite possible that he was allowed, or directed, to throw out these remarks. He could then take the heat, yet, start the discussion. If it fails to generate support, well, another Bidenism. If it is viewed as described by you and WevsUs, then it was our idea and he leaked it a little early.

I agree it sounds like the inevitable conclusion to that conflict.

It could have also been in response to a threat on the President.  I think it's done to remind people of the alternative.  ;)

I think he's what's called a "safety" veep.
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

we vs us

Quote from: Conan71 on December 21, 2011, 09:50:09 AM

Still doesn't change the fact that Biden has a severe case of engaging mouth before brain though.



This is true, though I think he gets nailed more times than he should for spouting off when in fact he's doing something deliberate.  In this case, I think he was doing just that.

EDIT: or what Aqua said.