Fox News says Paul Ryan was lying

[Conan71]

I have.  But then to have a conservative leaning web outlet be sourced as a rebuttal?  I know you're young, but come on...

MSNBC and Fox both employ opposing views for foils.

But let's face it, MSNBC should be re-named DNCTV and Fox should be RNCTV.

[Hoss]

MSNBC and Fox both employ opposing views for foils.

But let's face it, MSNBC should be re-named DNCTV and Fox should be RNCTV.

Yes.  Why I watch neither.

[erfalf]

I have.  But then to have a conservative leaning web outlet be sourced as a rebuttal?  I know you're young, but come on...

If I had to only source things with no slant, I would be sourceless.

[Townsend]

Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.

Biden to Take On Ryan's GM Attack

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2012/08/31/biden-to-take-on-ryan-s-gm-attack.html

The Obama administration isn't going to take Paul Ryan's claim that a GM plant in his hometown closed under Obama's watch lying down. The media have been all over factual inaccuracies of the claim, but now Joe Biden's on the case. At a campaign rally Friday, Biden will set the record straight: "Congressman Ryan was right about one thing. It was devastating for the community and those people. But what he didn't tell you was that plant in Janesville actually closed while President Bush was still in office," according to excerpts from his planned speech. "And what they didn't say is, but for the sacrifices you made and the courage of the president, all those GM plants would have closed."

This will probably feed a few good lines for the GOP to toss about.

[nathanm]

I like that in MRC's world, the debt downgrade wasn't due to us coming very close to refusing to pay our bills, even though it's literally impossible for us to default on our debt except voluntarily, that what's important with the GM plant is when it built its last truck or sent home its last worker (hell, there's probably still a security guard there), not when the decision to shut down was taken.

I also like that they try to portray a factual argument, one over the specific words that Obama used, as a matter of opinion. Ok, transcripts are now a matter of opinion. Great.

I also like that they try to obfuscate on the Medicare cut claims, when all the Democrats (and PolitiFact and everyone else who has been looking at the Republicans in astonishment at their big brass balls) have ever said regarding it is not that there's no cut, but that there's no benefit cut. There are only cuts to reimbursements to providers, which the providers agreed to in exchange for the insurance mandate.

When your "fact check" is fully of sloppy logic, factual inaccuracies, and blatant distortions of the opponent's record, it's worth about as much as the paper it's printed (or in this case not printed) on.

P.S.: Even if the assertion about the debt downgrade was correct, it still does not follow that the problem is the Democrats and/or Obama. The folks running against him, after all, have pledged to reverse the sequester and otherwise do things to increase the deficit, not decrease it. Strangely, the Democrats have taken on the role of the pre-1980 Republicans in deficit hawkiness. They are the ones that put PAYGO back into place. They are the ones who have been willing to both cut social programs and increase taxes. The Republicans' last offer on the supercommittee was for something like $6 billion of revenue increases in exchange for $600 billion in budget cuts. That's not a balanced plan. Its lack of balance is only overshadowed by their earlier offers.

[guido911]

Is this what Ryan was talking about re: Janesville?