East End In Trouble?

[tim huntzinger]

And it seems that the whole 'East End' and most of urban regentrification was predicated on the continued growth of Wiltel and Williams Cos.

Who are some names that are associated with the fictional 'Tulsa Alliance'? Who is it that is foisting the fantasy that the whole shootin match would be completed by 2009?

[ttown_jeff]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

And it seems that the whole 'East End' and most of urban regentrification was predicated on the continued growth of Wiltel and Williams Cos.

Who are some names that are associated with the fictional 'Tulsa Alliance'? Who is it that is foisting the fantasy that the whole shootin match would be completed by 2009?

The "Who" is strange.  Does anyone know who Tulsa Partners I LLC is?  I can't even find them (or their D.C. company) registered to do business in Oklahoma at the Secretary of State's office.

[USRufnex]

quote:Originally posted by Rico

Well at the risk of sounding redundant....

that's never really stopped me... [8D]

I'm at the point where its easier to search for my old posts than type new ones...

from August 2002.

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=90058&postcount=57

quote:I don't think Tulsans want their downtown to "die"-- just that downtown development using taxpayer $$$ should be reasonable (i.e.-- no aquatics center/track & field projects please). Tulsans have trouble voting for bond issues for downtown/Riverside development when 2 of the 10 most dangerous intersections in the US are located-- you guessed it-- in SE Tulsa-- one of them at your hated Woodland Hills Mall on 71st and Memorial (2000 State Farm stats). Also, check a map and find that downtown is NOT centrally located (unlike OKC, Indianapolis and any number of others).......

--New mayor LaFortune has a difficult job to do... and if he's learned anything from his uncle he'll come up with proposals recognizing where people actually live and not where he wishes they'd live...

Again, August 2002... (my opponents arguments in boldface...)

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=124922&postcount=60

quote:Tulsa's downtown projects can be supported by everyone ONLY IF EVERYONE is included. OKC's bricktown has some smaller trendier places, some larger upscale restaurants... and a HOOTERS... Tulsa not only has been divided into different parts of town racially, it's also been very divided socially, and that, I think, is a much bigger factor than crime or racism as to why many Tulsans won't support upscale improvement projects for downtown... most have never felt welcome there...

So, will Mayor Taylor's administration morph into Susan Savage II-- Electric Boogaloo []

[aoxamaxoa]

I can't wait to see what Mitch the ***** delivers next!

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by aoxamaxoa

I can't wait to see what Mitch the ***** delivers next!

He is like a bookie in this fiasco. Win or lose he still gets a payday.

[USRufnex]

A bookie?!?

Okay, that's it!... I just can't take the corruption and cronyism in Tulsa anymore... I'm moving back to Chicago...  []

/sarcasm

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

per Oklahoma City - they have nearly 100,000 jobs directly attributed to the government.  Between Federal jobs, the FAA, Tinker, the State, Universities, and various other things.  100,000 jobs that are steady, not likely to go away, come with built in raises and benefits, and pay above average.

Add to that 20-30,000 college students in the metro area. A central hub for the region and blah blah blah... and Oklahoma City has the advantage now that Tulsa once enjoyed from Oil.  The difference, of course, is Tulsan's are taxed to pay for the jobs in Oklahoma City.

Your right, but lol, the point I was trying to make is that even with the jobs and the people we do have, we don't get a lot of the things that even smaller towns get.  Look at the concerts and acts that Omaha is getting compared to Tulsa.  Heck even the Fayetteville AR area is getting more trendy stores and restaurants than Tulsa has. For our population, and number of jobs, we should have more entertainment options, more "things to do".  

I do agree though that having Colleges in a city make a huge difference demographically. One reason I think growing Tulsas Colleges should be a TOP priority for bettering Tulsa. Having a bustling OSU downtown would help it and any East End development.  Imagine how many college students head out to OKC's Bricktown.  That is a great advantage that our Blue Dome and other downtown entertainment,shopping, arts, dining, districts don't have.

[perspicuity85]

Will someone who actually knows what's going on please explain the relationship between the Pearl District and the East End?  The Pearl seems to be right in the heart of the East End project, or vice versa.  Is Global Development intending on cooperating with those behind the Pearl movement?  If I had enough capital to buy property in the Pearl/East End and turn it into a mixed use urban development, could I do it?  Is there a lot of land for sale?  Are land speculators making unrealistic property value claims as they so often love to do?  What are the facts?

Sorry for the slue of questions here.

[USRufnex]

quote:Originally posted by perspicuity85

Will someone who actually knows what's going on please explain the relationship between the Pearl District and the East End?

The only people who know "what's going on" have signed confidentiality agreements, so I guess you're stuck with me...

"Thank you for your interesting and provocative question!!!  Our operators are currently busy servicing other customers... please stand-by, and the first available operator will be more than happy to pretend to empathize with you.... this call may be monitored for quality assurance..."

quote:The Pearl seems to be right in the heart of the East End project, or vice versa.

Gee, you musta missed the Vancouver hippie hired by TulsaNow to inform us of what we already knew... the so-called "Pearl District" and recently named "East End" ARE divided...."It's the highways, dude... that's what it's all aboot..."  

quote:Is Global Development intending on cooperating with those behind the Pearl movement?

I seriously doubt Tim Kissler... http://www.globaldevelopmentpartners.com/documents/060830TulsaPressRelease_000.pdf

has actually met Jamie Jamieson, which would explain why certain TulsaNow posters have gently implied that we should allow local, organic growth to take root, complete with no-strings attached Vision 2025 local government grants and subsidies, of course...

quote:If I had enough capital to buy property in the Pearl/East End and turn it into a mixed use urban development, could I do it?

"I'm sorry, sonny... 'You must have an EGO at least THIS tall, to ride this ride'..."

quote:Is there a lot of land for sale?  Are land speculators making unrealistic property value claims as they so often love to do?  What are the facts?

Sorry for the slue of questions here.

See how you are?... "Buy American!"... trust the local people in Tulsa who think an "artist community" would be great... for  landlords harvesting "affordable" rents of around $700 a month... so just stop questioning local people's motives!... they all just LOVE downtown!... all the way to the bank... []

[carltonplace]

quote:Originally posted by perspicuity85

Will someone who actually knows what's going on please explain the relationship between the Pearl District and the East End?  The Pearl seems to be right in the heart of the East End project, or vice versa.  Is Global Development intending on cooperating with those behind the Pearl movement?  If I had enough capital to buy property in the Pearl/East End and turn it into a mixed use urban development, could I do it?  Is there a lot of land for sale?  Are land speculators making unrealistic property value claims as they so often love to do?  What are the facts?

Sorry for the slue of questions here.

I75 is the demarcation point for both projects.

[jdb]

I75 is the demarcation point for both projects. - carltonplace


True, but the coefficients are unpromising.
jdb