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Iplaw v/s Alt Redux

Started by iplaw, August 16, 2006, 08:19:29 PM

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iplaw

First Topic: Let's start with PULL IT.

Please restate your arguments so that I am not putting words into your mouth.  Remeber, brevity and pointed statements.

I.    A verified timeline of when the statement was made in relation to the events of the day, as it relates to WTC 7.  No one know when it was said other than it happened some time before 5:20pm.

Here is his quote:

"I remember getting a call from the, uh, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, "You know, we've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is, is pull it. And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse."

Observations from Quote

1.  Fire fighters were unable to contain fires.  This conflicts with you claim that WTC 7 had minimal damage.

2.  He says the they made that decision to pull.  Sounds as if they made a decision to pull the firefighters since the entire context of the statement relates to either firefighters or fires.  Sounds like he was not willing to risk the lives of more firemen since there had already been great loss of life that day.  

3.  Why and how would firemen be involved in the demo of any building?

II.    I asked for relevant policies from demo companies or demo experts who use the term "pull it" in regards to explosive demolition, vis-a-vis WTC 6.

III.    How this video you linked to substantiates that WTC 6 was brought down with explosives and not physically pulled down, which the video clearly shows.  Demo crew was too close for explosives to have been used, also, no one was standing behind a blast shield.

IV.  WTC 7 Sustained heavy damage before falling.


1.  WTC 7 was heavily damaged according to firemen at 4:30pm, roughly an hour before the collapse of WTC 7.  [Kansas City Star, 3/28/2004] -- Author Hayes, David

2.  "New York fire department chief officers, who have surveyed the building, have determined it is in danger of collapsing. Several senior firefighters have described this decision-making process. According to fire chief Daniel Nigro, "The biggest decision we had to make was to clear the area and create a collapse zone around the severely damaged [WTC Building 7]. A number of fire officers and companies assessed the damage to the building. The appraisals indicated that the building's integrity was in serious doubt." [Fire Engineering, 9/2002]