Neighbor(s) fight Swan Lake development

[si_uk_lon_ok]

quote:Originally posted by mlofts

yes we move houses if its possible.  R & H was moving that for another builder and he moves for us the ones that are salvagable.  
No worries Tim, I just have to get on my soap box periodically.

Thats brilliant, thanks for answering so quickly. I had a look at your developments around Cherry Street and they are amazing. I'm looking forward to seeing what the ones at Carson will look like.

[YoungTulsan]

quote:Originally posted by si_uk_lon_ok
I'm looking forward to seeing what the ones at Carson will look like.

Developments on Carson?  Where?  (Don't think I've seen info about that)

Speaking of Carson, I'm not sure if you are talking about the 15th to 19th area or somewhere else, but...

They sure have some third world pavement in that neighborhood around the University Club.  16th street from Denver to Boulder, 17th place, wow..   Those streets are in some serious need to resurfacing.  I love the manhole at 16th and Cheyenne that juts about 4 feet up.  Hit that thing doing 25 and you're F---ed.

We need to get AMP to drive his truck over it doing about 25 or 30 and he can see what a real traffic hazard will do to your vehicle.

[si_uk_lon_ok]

quote:Originally posted by YoungTulsan

quote:Originally posted by si_uk_lon_ok
I'm looking forward to seeing what the ones at Carson will look like.

Developments on Carson?  Where?  (Don't think I've seen info about that)

Speaking of Carson, I'm not sure if you are talking about the 15th to 19th area or somewhere else, but...

They sure have some third world pavement in that neighborhood around the University Club.  16th street from Denver to Boulder, 17th place, wow..   Those streets are in some serious need to resurfacing.  I love the manhole at 16th and Cheyenne that juts about 4 feet up.  Hit that thing doing 25 and you're F---ed.

We need to get AMP to drive his truck over it doing about 25 or 30 and he can see what a real traffic hazard will do to your vehicle.

I think there is some new development going up on Carson quite far north near the IDL. It looks like a slightly different style from the previous mlofts developments.

The roads round there are terrible. I can't decide if 16th street from Denver to Boulder is worse than than 1st street near the IDL off ramp. We nearly ripped the bumper off our car there. (although it was loose)

[YoungTulsan]

You literally have to go like 5mph AND circumnavigate the manhole cover to not jack your car up.  I remember 5 years ago, after I JUST bought a new car, I unsuspectingly came across there doing the speed limit.  No DIP sign or anything (and 16th street goes through with no stop sign, the signs are for Cheyenne).  I swear to god my car launched into the air several feet and that probably single-handedly ended my nice period of having new-car suspension enjoyment.

I would strongly emphasize to AMP that I was NOT serious about driving across that section, it is THAT bad

(Sorry for the thread derail)

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by mlofts

yes we move houses if its possible.  R & H was moving that for another builder and he moves for us the ones that are salvagable.  
No worries Tim, I just have to get on my soap box periodically.

How many have you moved and how many have you demolished?

[mlofts]

moved 5, demo'd 5 so far.  The Carson development is on our website, www.tulsalofts.net
People like the architecture of this one...we only have 1 that is not sold and have not began construction.  Its on a great lot close to 15th with downtown views...it also has a 4th floor rooftop deck which is neat.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by mlofts

moved 5, demo'd 5 so far.  The Carson development is on our website, www.tulsalofts.net
People like the architecture of this one...we only have 1 that is not sold and have not began construction.  Its on a great lot close to 15th with downtown views...it also has a 4th floor rooftop deck which is neat.

I know for a fact you have demolished more than that. On Quincy alone you have demolished five houses.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by Double A


I know for a fact you have demolished more than that. On Quincy alone you have demolished five houses.

Uhh.. You know that they have demo'ed more than 5 because 5 are demo'ed?

You checking every demo permit across tulsa?

[OurTulsa]

I love the Carson concept but PLEASE do you project and the neighborhood a service by orienting the end unit facing Carson toward the street.  Again, I can't stress how off puting it is when someone comes into an intact neighborhood with an interactive orientation and puts up a rectangular box.  Again, you might as well paint a big ol' FU Carson Place on the side of your building because that in effect is what you are saying with that design orientation.  Love the density, love the concept just hate the orientation.  

There is so much that an orientation toward the street provides to a neighborhood.  The house participates with its neighbors to give the street life and make it interesting.  One of the most important contributions, though, is the perception of presence and its contribution to the hoods perceived and real safety.  If you turn your back on the hood you are sending the message that you are not interested in participating in the play.  But more importantly you are taking perceptive (and real) eyes off the street.

It makes me sick that architecturally speaking we have this sad sense of what is necessary to create 'safe' spaces.  We barricade ourselves behind dead building walls or large fences and effectively take ourselves out of the collective policing network of the neighborhood and we tell others 'go ahead F around we're not watching and quite frankly we don't care'.  The safest streets in this city are the most urban oriented.  Those big gated communities down south are too far away to be affected by random pass through concerns but I garuantee you if I wanted to hit it big I would go rob one of those big donkey mansions because, if i do it right, who the hell is going to see me.  I close with the famous words of Roscoe Turner: 'Ehhh....'

[SoonerRiceGrad]

These are what the Carson Lofts will look like:


These are still up on my site with development details in length.

[mlofts]

the entrance to Carson is now on the street side, this is just an original sketch.  Like I said, we are addressing the street now.

[cannon_fodder]

mlofts, the interiors of the finished units on your website look amazing.    I know they arent of the Carson project but still, really nice looking.  If I wasnt a family, house and yard kinda guy with 2 giant dogs we would talk (I can actually hear you groan as you read that).

Keep up the good work.  Its nice to see new urban development that is in tune with the neighborhood as much as possible.