Police may help find illegals,it's about time.

[rwarn17588]

The more I read about this issue, however, the more I think it's a tempest in a teapot.

-- The council's resolution on checking those arrested on whether they're legal residents is NONBINDING, which means it's essentially worthless. Why didn't the council try to fashion a resolution that actually meant something?

-- Sullivan, Inhofe and Coburn chimed in on a nonbinding resolution that has no real impact. Making political hay and shoveling the B.S., anyone?

-- Sullivan says that cops will look at green cards or driver's licenses to check for proper citizenship. Never mind that many, many illegal immigrants already use phony green cards and licenses that are hard to distinguish from the real things. So that so-called "solution" is pretty useless, too.

-- And, as others have mentioned, controlling the borders and illegal immigration is a federal matter. Lord knows that the local cops have enough things to deal with.

Listen, I want a solution to deal with illegal immigrants like everyone else. But I want a solution, not useless posturing, which is what this whole sorry episode is.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

Leaders clarify status check

Mayor Kathy Taylor stressed to U.S. Rep. John Sullivan and other federal officials Thursday that the Tulsa Jail conducts immigration status checks for felony and most misdemeanor arrests.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=070601_1_A1_lease54884

According to the article, status checks are already being done, but were reported incorrectly.  According to KOTV, the police had the wrong phone number for ICE.

Does anyone else find that odd?  They had the wrong phone number?  Did they try 411?

This is not surprising to me. When elected officials want to avoid doing their duty or the will of the people they find a convenient excuse like this to provide cover for their covert manipulation of public policy. Scrivener error, wrong number, it's all the same. Maybe I am too cynical or not naive enough to believe that these poor politicians are merely unsuspecting victims of circumstance in this process without any culpability in this misdirection. Taylor can try it, but I don't buy it.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

The more I read about this issue, however, the more I think it's a tempest in a teapot.

-- The council's resolution on checking those arrested on whether they're legal residents is NONBINDING, which means it's essentially worthless. Why didn't the council try to fashion a resolution that actually meant something?

-- Sullivan, Inhofe and Coburn chimed in on a nonbinding resolution that has no real impact. Making political hay and shoveling the B.S., anyone?

-- Sullivan says that cops will look at green cards or driver's licenses to check for proper citizenship. Never mind that many, many illegal immigrants already use phony green cards and licenses that are hard to distinguish from the real things. So that so-called "solution" is pretty useless, too.

-- And, as others have mentioned, controlling the borders and illegal immigration is a federal matter. Lord knows that the local cops have enough things to deal with.

Listen, I want a solution to deal with illegal immigrants like everyone else. But I want a solution, not useless posturing, which is what this whole sorry episode is.

This whole deal from Tulsa to D.C. has turned into a window dressing issue.  The latest read on the bill in D.C. doesn't sound like any real solution and the citizens are being sold out for votes in '08.

[Wilbur]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

The more I read about this issue, however, the more I think it's a tempest in a teapot.

-- The council's resolution on checking those arrested on whether they're legal residents is NONBINDING, which means it's essentially worthless. Why didn't the council try to fashion a resolution that actually meant something?

-- Sullivan, Inhofe and Coburn chimed in on a nonbinding resolution that has no real impact. Making political hay and shoveling the B.S., anyone?

-- Sullivan says that cops will look at green cards or driver's licenses to check for proper citizenship. Never mind that many, many illegal immigrants already use phony green cards and licenses that are hard to distinguish from the real things. So that so-called "solution" is pretty useless, too.

-- And, as others have mentioned, controlling the borders and illegal immigration is a federal matter. Lord knows that the local cops have enough things to deal with.

Listen, I want a solution to deal with illegal immigrants like everyone else. But I want a solution, not useless posturing, which is what this whole sorry episode is.

Now this guy gets it!  The Feds have told local police over and over again, they don't want to hear from anyone if the illegal is a petty criminal.  So now Tulsa is going to start calling them and will be told over and over again by the Feds "we don't want them."  Big fat waste of time.  

Nothing in the State's new law nor the City's new resolution forces the Feds to take custody of any illegal.  Those three agents in Oklahoma City covering all of Oklahoma have bigger fish to fry.  

Sullivan says the Feds might put agents in Tulsa if they realized how many illegals are here. It's no secret that number is estimated at 35,000.  There.  Now open an ICE office in Tulsa.

[jamesrage]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

-- Sullivan says that cops will look at green cards or driver's licenses to check for proper citizenship. Never mind that many, many illegal immigrants already use phony green cards and licenses that are hard to distinguish from the real things.

I am sure the police type the driver's license and green card information into their computer  when the pull someone over for something.So having a bogus green card and or driver's license might be kind of hard to pull when the police can verify by computer if the information is correct.Some may have figured out a way around this problem but most probably have not.

quote:
So that so-called "solution" is pretty useless, too.

If it gets a ICE office here and possibly deports illegals it doesn't sound useless.

quote:
-- And, as others have mentioned, controlling the borders and illegal immigration is a federal matter. Lord knows that the local cops have enough things to deal with.

And what exactly is the government doing on the federal level?Is that Zilch except for maybe the occasional token arrest? So wouldn't logic dictate that if you really were against illegal immigration that you would want the states and local governments to do their part to crack down on illegal immigration since the feds refuse to do **** about it except for making it worse?

quote:Listen, I want a solution to deal with illegal immigrants like everyone else. But I want a solution, not useless posturing, which is what this whole sorry episode is.

Seeing you spew the ever popular line that pro-illegals spew such as "it's only the federal government's job" or "it's only the federal government's problem" ,the only solution I can picture you wanting is some guy at the border handing out instant citizenship to anyone who crosses.It is the states and local governments business to deal with illegal immigration just as much as it is the federal government's job because it is the citizens who live in the states and cities that have to deal with illegals.So no one who is really against illegal immigration spews the "it's only the federal government's job or problem".