New Abortion Law

[DM]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

That's right DM, since you are a man you are not entitled to have an opinion on the issue of abortion much less oppose the practice. I will try to remember that sort of logic the next time I read an anti-Iraq war opposition post on this forum from someone who never served in the military...

My post was along the lines of a joke. It goes along the same lines that YOU are paying for birth control abortions.

[guido911]

RW: You have asked me that question numerous times in other threads and I will repeat what I said back then: None of your business. I will say I was stationed in CONUS and overseas.

[rwarn17588]

The reason I ask is that you keep insisting that only people who served in the military are the ones who should speak out about the Iraq War.

Point No. 1: This is a free country, and we get to speak out minds, military or not. (Unless, of course, you're a soldier with a MySpace site or blog, but that's another issue.)

Point No. 2: The military is ultimately subservient to the civilian population. It's not civilians serving at the military's pleasure.

Point No. 3: I have no idea whether you were in the military. You could be making it up. And your continual reticence about the questions I ask -- when you're more than happy to chime in on other issues -- makes me suspicious.

Point No. 4: A number of Marines are my friends. They think the Iraq War is stupid and misguided. They have no problems with people -- civilian or noncivilian -- criticizing it. In fact, they encourage it as a way to foster a healthy democracy.

So forgive me if I and other civilians ignore your wishes to stop discussing the war.

[MichaelC]

I've served in the military.  Of course, I also believe that you have to be a certifiable moron to sit here and say that the only opinions that matter are those of the military.

[RecycleMichael]

I fought in the war of the sexes...our side lost.

[mr.jaynes]

quote:Originally posted by DM

Well, since I dont plan on getting pregnant anytime soon (since i am guy it would be very hard to), dont matter to me. []

Now if we could just get the likes of Operation Rescue to live up to that realization....

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by MichaelC

I've served in the military.  Of course, I also believe that you have to be a certifiable moron to sit here and say that the only opinions that matter are those of the military.

Kinda like having to be a "certifiable moron" not to pick up on the point I was making. Just so I am clear, the point is that, as men who cannot become pregnant, we can have opinions on the abortion issue just as non-vets can have opinions on military matters. Your inability to pick up on that is disturbing proof of the anti-war folks who claim our military is comprised of lesser educated Americans who merely serve to get a free college education--a benefit you apparently did not take advantage of wiseguy.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

The reason I ask is that you keep insisting that only people who served in the military are the ones who should speak out about the Iraq War.

Point No. 1: This is a free country, and we get to speak out minds, military or not. (Unless, of course, you're a soldier with a MySpace site or blog, but that's another issue.)

Point No. 2: The military is ultimately subservient to the civilian population. It's not civilians serving at the military's pleasure.

Point No. 3: I have no idea whether you were in the military. You could be making it up. And your continual reticence about the questions I ask -- when you're more than happy to chime in on other issues -- makes me suspicious.

Point No. 4: A number of Marines are my friends. They think the Iraq War is stupid and misguided. They have no problems with people -- civilian or noncivilian -- criticizing it. In fact, they encourage it as a way to foster a healthy democracy.

So forgive me if I and other civilians ignore your wishes to stop discussing the war.

All spoken like a true gravy-training citizen. Tell you what, just sit back and let those who are willing to stand and fight for your freedom do the hard work while you stand on your notion of living in a "free country."

As far as my military service goes, it remains none of your business and I do not care if you are suspicious or not.
Incidentally, since you are obsessed with full disclosure, go ahead and publish on this forum the names of those numbers of marines who are your friends who think "the Iraq War is stupid and misguided. " Since I have never heard these comments from those I know in the service (particularly those who have voluntarily returned for multiple tours in Iraq), coupled with your repeated anti-Iraq policy statements, I am suspicious that you are making that up.  

BTW, just like Michael C, you also completely missed the point I was making.  

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by DM

quote:Originally posted by guido911

That's right DM, since you are a man you are not entitled to have an opinion on the issue of abortion much less oppose the practice. I will try to remember that sort of logic the next time I read an anti-Iraq war opposition post on this forum from someone who never served in the military...

My post was along the lines of a joke. It goes along the same lines that YOU are paying for birth control abortions.

Wow, what a funny joke: "Since I dont plan on getting pregnant anytime soon (since i am guy it would be very hard to), [abortion] dont matter to me.

BTW, my take on not paying for birth control abortions is supported by the story originally linked:

Critics say the bill would disproportionately affect poor and uninsured women, who often receive care at hospitals that receive state funds. Supporters say the bill takes Oklahoma taxpayers "out of the abortion business."

Where's the joke in that statement?

[sgrizzle]

Despite some commentary, the topic it hand is whether state funding should be used to pay for abortions. I believe you can be pro-choice but against state funding. I have nothing against breast implants but I don't think the state should pay for it.

quote:
Critics say the bill would disproportionately affect poor and uninsured women, who often receive care at hospitals that receive state funds.

However, if you choose to get pregnant, the government will still spend money on the delivery and care of the poor and uninsured children.

[cannon_fodder]

The opinion of soldiers on a war is a very unique beast.  I just finished reading "In Their Own Words," a compilation of stories from soldiers who served in Vietnam some 30-40 years ago.  The author and the soldiers themselves point out that they have a myopic view of the war.  When they stepped back and heard other accounts or just had a chance to try and understand their views changed.

Many thought what they were doing was very important, until they learned that nothing was being accomplished on the big picture.  Many knew the big picture was a mess, but thought the individual good they could accomplish was worth it.  Many others just took it as it came.

I guess the point is, a soldier IN THE CONFLICT has a different view to be sure.  But there is nothing about that view that makes it BETTER than anyone else's, unless the discussion is the particulars that the soldier was a part of (ie. the battle for Falluja was tough). It's just hard to get a feel for the big picture when, by design, you are a cog in your own little world.

/my 2 non-military serving cents

ps. I highly recommend the book.

[guido911]

CF: good post and will lok at the book.