Will you be okay with another unelected winner?

[cannon_fodder]

I agree with Friedman and oppose "get out the vote" campaigns.  

For one, if you have to be goaded to the polls then you apperently haven't been paying much attention or lack strong convictions.  Otherwise you'd go anyway.  Lacking those two things it is more likely that you will make an uninformed decision.

Second, every additional vote cast dilutes my influence.  I'd be perfectly happy if no one else in America voted but me.  Sorry, it is selfish, but at the end of the day I really only want like-minded people to vote.  It does me no personal good to encourage someone to go and cancel out my vote, especially someone who according to me above may be less qualified - so why would I want to?

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by USRufnex

quote:Originally posted by guido911

quote:Originally posted by swake

quote:Originally posted by inteller

no, it would be a good thing since it is obvious that the youth who are voting for this evil fruit are completely stupid.

Evil Fruit?

Gosh only knows, maybe this:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0214081obama1.html

Gosh knows, that's ridiculous and sleezy slander... congrats, Guido... typical of a "say anything" republican...

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080216072032AACJPvF

Hmmm.... evil fruit?  Try this...

Hey Soccer dork. I posted what I thought Inteller was referring to. I was not making any judgment as to the merits of the allegation.

[Wingnut]

quote: Welcome to America, my friend, where no citizen is more equal than another, and when you hit the age of majority, you're a citizen with full rights and responsibilities. The same rights and responsibilities that Milton Friedman has.  

Who said they didn't have the right to vote?
If they can't be responsible enough to go and vote on their own, do you think they've studied the candidates and can make an informed decision? I don't think so.
I consider voting a responsibility and part of good citizenship and with that means to be informed enough to make a decision that is in the best interest of the country.

quote: Young voters are much more likely to be well versed and even-handed on the issues than old partisans, because it's their first vote, they're likely excited about it, want to do a good job with it and make it count. And hence take it very seriously

If that were true, there wouldn't be any get out to vote campaigns. There too busy with their cell phones and ipods and texting to worry about voting.

[we vs us]

quote:Originally posted by Wingnut

quote: Welcome to America, my friend, where no citizen is more equal than another, and when you hit the age of majority, you're a citizen with full rights and responsibilities. The same rights and responsibilities that Milton Friedman has.  

Who said they didn't have the right to vote?
If they can't be responsible enough to go and vote on their own, do you think they've studied the candidates and can make an informed decision? I don't think so.
I consider voting a responsibility and part of good citizenship and with that means to be informed enough to make a decision that is in the best interest of the country.

quote: Young voters are much more likely to be well versed and even-handed on the issues than old partisans, because it's their first vote, they're likely excited about it, want to do a good job with it and make it count. And hence take it very seriously

If that were true, there wouldn't be any get out to vote campaigns. There too busy with their cell phones and ipods and texting to worry about voting.

Wow.  You're really bending over backwards on this one.  So are all young voters suspect?  Or just the ones who haven't voted before?  Or what about older voters who haven't voted before?  Are they suspect, too?  Or does their life experience qualify them as "trustworthy" voters?

It looks like they're chipping the talking points off the bottom of the barrel these days.  "The Democrats won because they rounded up millions of young ignoramuses to vote for them.  Therefore the vote is illegitimate."  Does that strike you as a touch of the ole mental gymnastics there?  We don't want younger voters to vote because they're inexperienced?

How do we get new people to vote, pray tell?

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by we vs us
We don't want younger voters to vote because they're inexperienced?

well yes....based on the current course we are on, that pretty much sums it up.

[Wingnut]

quote: We don't want younger voters to vote because they're inexperienced?  

Not inexperienced, just uniformed on the candidates/issues.

I'm sure they're experienced.
Certainly they can use the ennee-minnee-miney-mo method of selecting a candidate to run the free world.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by Wingnut

quote: We don't want younger voters to vote because they're inexperienced?  

Not inexperienced, just uniformed on the candidates/issues.

I'm sure they're experienced.
Certainly they can use the ennee-minnee-miney-mo method of selecting a candidate to run the free world.

the problem is it is not possible to inform this sound bite generation on complex issues in a format that they will take the time to consider.

[RecycleMichael]

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

How do we get new people to vote, pray tell?

Enter everybdy who votes in a drawing.

Or even better, have a drawing to be President and skip the whole voting thing.

[tulsascoot]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

no, it would be a good thing since it is obvious that the youth who are voting for this evil fruit are completely stupid.

The people voting for Obama are tired of the corruption and greed that has been running amuck in Washington for the last 8 years, and also realize that Clinton is part of the establishment, not really much of an alternative.

I am registered independent, but I may vote for him, or may not in a general election. I used to like McCain for his independent thought, and I would have voted for him in 2000 if he had run against Gore. Times have changed, and his fervent support of Bush has ruined his reputation in my eyes.

And I am far from "completely stupid", and I know how to discuss politics without reducing myself to low brow insults like yours.

It's attitudes like yours that soil political discourse in this country. And the youth are tired of it.

Oh yeah, and I am not that young anymore.

[FOTD]

http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=the_triumph_of_narrative


The Triumph of Narrative
   
Of all the things Barack Obama has done right this campaign, none may be more important than the fact that he has told a story perfectly keyed to the current moment in history.   
   
PAUL WALDMAN | February 19, 2008 | web only   
"As Obama tells it, the country is held hostage by a political class that sows partisan and cultural division, making solving problems ever more difficult, while the country yearns for a new day of unity. As the youngest candidate, the only post-boomer candidate, the only bi-racial candidate, and the one candidate with a preternatural ability to obtain the good will of those who disagree with him, he can bring all Americans together and lead us to a future built on hope."

Landslides refresh the rough and tired. There will be no contest from here.

Learn to accept the fate that Barack Obama will be our next Commander in Chief.

Won't you come together over America? Or will you be divisive instead? Time to be optimistic.
Or do you have a motto?


"Goddamn, I declare,
have you seen the light?
Their walls are built of cannonballs,
their motto is "Don't tread on me".

(Garcia Hunter Weir Lesh)