If Hillary wins Texas and Ohio...

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Deep down, a lot of Republicans I've talked to have been saying privately that if McCain were to lose in November, they'd rather him lose to Hillary as she is a known quantity and will likely have to become more moderate much as Mr. Clinton did.  

Obama is too much of an unknown.  His character has not been thoroughly tested since he's missed so many Senate votes.  I still don't get the cachet a candidate holds who hasn't fulfilled the duties of his Senate job.  

This from a guy who supported Rocky Frisco?[]

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Deep down, a lot of Republicans I've talked to have been saying privately that if McCain were to lose in November, they'd rather him lose to Hillary as she is a known quantity and will likely have to become more moderate much as Mr. Clinton did.  

Obama is too much of an unknown.  His character has not been thoroughly tested since he's missed so many Senate votes.  I still don't get the cachet a candidate holds who hasn't fulfilled the duties of his Senate job.  

This from a guy who supported Rocky Frisco?[]

I'm finding the longer I'm off the nicotine, the more I become a political enigma. []  You will probably be [:O] when you hear where my support is going in an upcoming election.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

quote:Originally posted by inteller

well of course, because Obama is used to having his strings pulled by scumbags like Resko.

Pathetic....

I know a few ready to light it and put it on the White House front porch.

Now that's just ****ing hillarious.  FOTD has just pwned Inteller.

[guido911]

Delegate count:

Obama-    1566
Clinton-  1457

difference Obama +109

How much movement has occurred since yesterday?

http://abcnews.go.com/politics/elections/delegates?ref=ipb

[FOTD]

Billary picked up a net of 12 delegates yesterday. Thanks to Matt Drudge, Lorne Michaels, Jack Nicholson, John Stewart and fright wing talk show comedy.

[USRufnex]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

That alone is not my biggest problem, I personally think Obama is the perfect sock-puppet for unelectable Democrats like Kerry, Kennedy, and Gore.  I can see liberal duds like those living vicariously through Obama and pulling a lot of his strings.  

And personally, I think Obama HAS HIS OWN VIEWS.  Those views owe a debt to midwestern liberals like Paul Wellstone and Paul Simon...

Besides, aren't all registered Republicans actually looking for sock-puppets for Ronald Reagan???.... god knows, if it'd win them an election, Republicans would gladly vote for a DEAD Ronald Reagan, ala that 80s flick, Weekend at Bernie's.  [8D]



While we're stuck in the 80s, your Republican arguments remind me of asking for advice from the GOP for who ran against Don Nickles back in the day... moderate dem James R Jones ran against him, yet the Daily Oklahoman still managed to paint him as a far left liberal, pinko-commie, etc, etc,... even when the most liberal "Kennedy luvin'" democrat in Oklahoma at the time was Mike Synar.  And looking back on it, I have much more respect for Mike Synar and his Kennedy-esque liberal positions over the fiscally conservative James R Jones...

[Conan71]

You never get tired of assuming you know more about my political views than I do myself. []

Nickles and Jones has been years ago, still not certain what point you are trying to dredge out of that, but, hey, it's your keyboard.  Jones was very, very popular in this Congressional district.  David Boren was incredibly popular amongst Oklahoma Republicans when he was in the Senate.

Real Republicans realize Reagan has been out of office for 19 years and that they closed his casket a few years back.

Hannity seems to be the only one still screaming "Reagan Conservative".  

One likeness of Reagan I would like to see in our next President would be a great unifier of all Americans.  His stunning landslide in 1984 is all you need to know about the man to see what a great job he did in unifying our nation after the tumultuous 1970's.

I'd like to see the fiscal responsibility again of the Congress and Exectutive Branch working together again that we had from 1994 through 2000.  By all accounts, history shows Clinton to have been a slightly better fiscal conservative than Reagan, though Clinton did not walk into the economic disaster that Reagan had to help lead the country out of.  

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

quote:Originally posted by inteller

well of course, because Obama is used to having his strings pulled by scumbags like Resko.

Pathetic....

Is that slander the best you can do? Crawl back into your paper bag. I know a few ready to light it and put it on the White House front porch.

slander?  And I guess you have the ultimate proof otherwise?

Listen, it is a KNOWN fact that obama and resko were driving around looking for properties AFTER resko had be indicted for FRAUD.

You haven't even seen the tip of the iceberg on this slimeball.  he and hillary would make the ultimate slimeball ticket.  She could teach him all her old Whitewater tricks.  the only reason hillary hasn't pressed the issue is because of her own skeletons.

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

quote:Originally posted by inteller

well of course, because Obama is used to having his strings pulled by scumbags like Resko.

Pathetic....

Is that slander the best you can do? Crawl back into your paper bag. I know a few ready to light it and put it on the White House front porch.

slander?  And I guess you have the ultimate proof otherwise?

Listen, it is a KNOWN fact that obama and resko were driving around looking for properties AFTER resko had be indicted for FRAUD.

You haven't even seen the tip of the iceberg on this slimeball.  he and hillary would make the ultimate slimeball ticket.  She could teach him all her old Whitewater tricks.  the only reason hillary hasn't pressed the issue is because of her own skeletons.

Non sense....AGAIN!


Advice to Right Wingers for Nothin' and Insight for Free
By Peter Michaelson

"The day-to-day reminders of our calamitous Iraq War have backed off the front pages as the fight for freedom and the American Way intensifies on the homefront. Beginning now, the nation's attention will be drawn more to the fusillade of words discharged by John McCain, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama.

Whether or not Iraq is sidelined in this political debate, this presidential race is, in large part, between those Americans who have begun to assimilate the reality of our horrendous self-defeat in Iraq and those evolutionary stragglers who adamantly refuse to do so.

Even if the Iraq War lurches along in a tense standoff, it would still be an American defeat because it has made us more enemies and left us weaker. The debacle is worse than a simple defeat on the field of battle. The idea of invading Iraq was sheer perversion from the moment of its budding erection in that lower chakra where neo-con consciousness breeds. Predictably, the war has become our great self-defeat. Many Americans, notably supporters of George W. Bush, refuse to come to terms with this notion of self-defeat and their role in it. McCain, an invasion fist-pumper from the beginning, is one of them.

The financial cost alone -- $2 trillion and climbing -- is an overdose of insanity being dumped on our children. Are we too dysfunctional ourselves to know madness when we see it?

Many Americans, notably right-wingers, totally refuse to recognize the extent of our folly, grieve for our loss, and feel our shame. They have, for starters, ensnared themselves in an Orwellian world where passivity is freedom, ignorance is innocence, and denial a starry-eyed patriotism. They also refuse to relinquish their greatest strategic "strength" -- their ability to distort the truth.

"You can't handle the truth!" said Jack Nicholson famously in "A Few Good Men." In fact, the character portrayed by Nicholson in that 1992 film -- the ruthless right-wing Col. Jessup -- was wrong. The colonel was the one who couldn't handle the truth of how his paranoid worldview was shaped by the hateful, evil bastard he was.

Truth is the enemy of illusions, and the biggest illusion among fervent right-wingers is the faith in their innocence and the purity of their intentions. These evolutionary stragglers have a faith-based perception of themselves that spills over to our intelligence agencies and the military. The church-state divide is threadbare when the imperatives of national security are mythologized as state religion.

Shock and Awe, the American gods of war, glide over the Potomac, cloaked like Stealth bombers, roaring out battle hymns of profane ferocity. Down below, heads bowed, eyes closed, our politicians float weightless in their own non-being, compulsive appeasers of the Great Destroyers.

Right-wingers are happy under Bush, as they would be under Putin. It makes no difference. All that matters is that they can make a claim, however overdrawn, to be honorable and noble in their own little square foot of self-absorption. John McCain is a fan of the words "honorable" and "noble," and he uses them as guiding principles. The prefix "The Honorable" or "The Hon." is often of necessity applied to politicians as linguistic deodorant.

"These people have honorable records, and they're honorable people," McCain said last month, defending the lobbyists who are part of his election team. Indeed, corporate lobbying is one of the most honorable of professions.

Honor, nobility, and loyalty are lesser human virtues, and they offer, like a trio of minor bards, unstable plot twists by which to guide one's life. (The human refinements of integrity, compassion, and wisdom are stronger virtues.)

The lesser virtues are easily converted into illusions of innocence, or made to serve as props for a grandiose self-image, or erected as forms of self-defense against a harsh inner conscience, or (as in the case of loyalty) employed as a reciprocal arrangement for the protection and advancement of one's own person.

When guided principally by notions of honor, nobility, and loyalty, we can't see evil for what it is. Evolutionary stragglers who might wish to come to terms with the evil they have unleashed in Iraq have to begin to develop integrity. This means they take moral responsibility for whatever is done in their name. Start by contemplating the word "atonement." The buck doesn't just stop at the president's desk. If we're authentic and mature, even a buck touched by a lobbyist stops at the kitchen table for our stamp of ownership.

Evolutionary stragglers wishing to keep pace in the human race must first die to the old ego, the old identity. This process usually involves disorientation, confusion, and anxiety. If they can weather the passage with a sense of trust and purpose, they'll be born again into their selfhood. Compassion is awakened as an expansion of the self, and truth is discerned out of one's own goodness. We discover that it's a blessing to feel grief for our misadventure in Iraq, as opposed to being dead to our deeds and thus to ourselves.

If right-wingers begin to acknowledge the Iraq War for what it is -- an ignoble, dishonorable, and traitorous assault on American integrity -- they will stay abreast of us on the road to redemption and renewal."




Like McCaint is unvarnished? Plus he is a culprit in the ruinization of our economy and wants to continue on for many moons....
http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/wahl/090


Bill Clinton endorsed the Kazakhstan Dictator, won Giustra a $3.1 BILLION Deal; So Giustra gave Bill $131MIL. Hillary Clinton lent her campaign at least $5 Million Dollars allegedly out of a joint bank account with Bill. Get it? http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html?_r=1&pagewanted=1&ref=politics&oref=slogin

You will never "get it" inteller.....you must be a war monger.....are you a war monger inteller?

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

I've posted my strong support for Ms. Clinton here for about a year and a half now.  

Democrats must finally remember that both of our candidates share many values.  At this point I don't see how we can win in November if we don't have a Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton ticket.

My man Jack Henderson won last night too.  I love the way Rich Tulsa can't buy North Tulsa's vote.  This isn't good news for Taylor.

How did it feel to finally back a slam-dunk  winner?  You do have chameleon colors, I thought you were done w/ Jack, now he's your "man"?

[we vs us]

quote:Originally posted by inteller



Listen, it is a KNOWN fact that obama and resko were driving around looking for properties AFTER resko had be indicted for FRAUD.

Rezko's muuuuuuuch more damaging to Blagojevich than to Obama.  

You oughta hang out up in the Windy City a little bit more, Inteller.  You might like it.  Great hotdogs, amazing architecture, the Lake, the Cubbies, and Rod Blagojevich, one of the most crooked Dem governors you'll ever meet.

This is playing - unfortunately -- like it's a big expose on Obama, but it really isn't.  It's  much more of an expose on state politics, and the office of the governor.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

quote:Originally posted by inteller



Listen, it is a KNOWN fact that obama and resko were driving around looking for properties AFTER resko had be indicted for FRAUD.

Rezko's muuuuuuuch more damaging to Blagojevich than to Obama.  

You oughta hang out up in the Windy City a little bit more, Inteller.  You might like it.  Great hotdogs, amazing architecture, the Lake, the Cubbies, and Rod Blagojevich, one of the most crooked Dem governors you'll ever meet.

This is playing - unfortunately -- like it's a big expose on Obama, but it really isn't.  It's  much more of an expose on state politics, and the office of the governor.

yeah, of which obama spent much more time in than he did a US senator.