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[RecycleMichael]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

Obama's campaign has made a big deal about everything Bill says. Now someone wants to speak about what Michelle says.

Why do the Obama people think they get special treatment?

It's creepy what you are doing RM. First off, race baiting differs dramatically from personal attacks. Secondly, Big Dissapointment Bill is a past President.

What's really creepy is you seem to be going out against the democratic nominee after being so supportive of Hilldog.

"The Obama People" do not think they get special treatment. Quite the opposite.

What are you talking about? Why would you bring race into this?

It was perfectly fine to attack Bill on the campaign trail, but not Michelle. What is your definition of special treatment?

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

There isn't a thing you said that was plausible, defensible, responsible or worthy of your obvious intellect.

Was that better?[]

So are you saying that the media, and other candidates are not going to hound this topic now?

Do you believe that he will not be thrown curve balls to evaluate his reaction?

Do you think he handled this correctly rather than just stating "I'm not going to dignify that with an answer" or some other dismissal of the topic?

Do you feel that he is displayed strategic decision making in his past associations?

I am sure you are correct and they will have no bearing on the direction the media takes.  My apologies for suggesting so.  I'm sure we will hear no more of this.

Never was a Ron Paul fan. Too much of a weenie for me!

[RecycleMichael]

I think it was smart of him to try to defend his wife. It makes him look stronger. Doesn't make it right.

There is a fine line between being a defender and being defensive.

[FOTD]

No one will admit, even to themselves, that they would vote against Obama because he's black. But they will quickly latch on to any other reason, so they can say, " its not because he's black, its because of.".. fill in the blank. His preacher, his wife, his lack of a flag pin, his refusal to salute the the flag or put his hand over his heart.

I expect that because of this, you'll see the Repugni-cans  play the race card a lot, because its all they have.  Too bad for them they couldn't hide Rev Wright until October, because now, Barack has 5 more months to show that he is not the same guy as his preacher. While people will buy in to subtle reasons to oppose a black candidate, as soon as the appeals become blatantly racist, they stop working, because nobody wants to admit they are voting against someone, solely based on race.

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

I can't believe the rationalization I just read. She is not a former president so we can't talk about what she says?

She is on the campaign trail every day making speeches for her husband. She says something stupid and people comment on it.

No one is attacking his kids, his parents or anyone else in the family. She is campaigning.

How is she any different than any other campaign person? Other campaign people resign when they embarrass the campaign.

I am sorry, you don't get special rules just because you are married to the candidate. I will attack Cindy McCain for her refusal to turn over tax records for 28 years.

Obama doesn't get to decide what is "acceptable".

Cindy and John file taxes separately.  She has no obligation to turn over any of her tax records.  If they filed jointly then it would be required.

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

No one will admit, even to themselves, that they would vote against Obama because he's black. But they will quickly latch on to any other reason, so they can say, " its not because he's black, its because of.".. fill in the blank. His preacher, his wife, his lack of a flag pin, his refusal to salute the the flag or put his hand over his heart.

I expect that because of this, you'll see the Repugni-cans  play the race card a lot, because its all they have.  Too bad for them they couldn't hide Rev Wright until October, because now, Barack has 5 more months to show that he is not the same guy as his preacher. While people will buy in to subtle reasons to oppose a black candidate, as soon as the appeals become blatantly racist, they stop working, because nobody wants to admit they are voting against someone, solely based on race.

Strange how you seem to be the only person making race an issue.  Who cares what color he is!

He's a man, a successful, intelligent man, with a successful, intelligent spouse.  I will not vote for him because I disagree with his political standing on most issues.  I will also not vote for him because he hasn't displayed the strength I believe is necessary to be the leader of my country.  I feel no guilt for taking this position.

I am getting tired of liberals inferring that people are raciest if they don't want to vote for him!  

I thought we had moved past this as a country!

[FOTD]

No, this country has not moved past racism.

It's in the race for president. Big time. just look at WVA.

Go fight the war since your head is in the sand.

[RecycleMichael]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD
No one will admit, even to themselves, that they would vote against Obama because he's black. But they will quickly latch on to any other reason, so they can say, " its not because he's black, its because of.".. fill in the blank. His preacher, his wife, his lack of a flag pin, his refusal to salute the the flag or put his hand over his heart.

What a ridiculous assertion. Everyone who is opposed or criticizes Obama only does so because they are secretly racist. Really?

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

quote:Originally posted by FOTD
No one will admit, even to themselves, that they would vote against Obama because he's black. But they will quickly latch on to any other reason, so they can say, " its not because he's black, its because of.".. fill in the blank. His preacher, his wife, his lack of a flag pin, his refusal to salute the the flag or put his hand over his heart.

What a ridiculous assertion. Everyone who is opposed or criticizes Obama only does so because they are secretly racist. Really?

I think the point he has made very clearly (whether intentional or not) is that his vote IS based solely on race.  

FOTD you are correct sir, there is Raceism in this race.

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

quote:Originally posted by FOTD
No one will admit, even to themselves, that they would vote against Obama because he's black. But they will quickly latch on to any other reason, so they can say, " its not because he's black, its because of.".. fill in the blank. His preacher, his wife, his lack of a flag pin, his refusal to salute the the flag or put his hand over his heart.

What a ridiculous assertion. Everyone who is opposed or criticizes Obama only does so because they are secretly racist. Really?

It's not a secret.

Fill in the blank.

Stick to the real issues if you dare or if you are even able. Try not to insert patriotism.

[RecycleMichael]

Please show one statement of mine about Obama that was racist. Ever.

How dare you call me that. I am through with you.

[joiei]

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

I can't believe the rationalization I just read. She is not a former president so we can't talk about what she says?

She is on the campaign trail every day making speeches for her husband. She says something stupid and people comment on it.

No one is attacking his kids, his parents or anyone else in the family. She is campaigning.

How is she any different than any other campaign person? Other campaign people resign when they embarrass the campaign.

I am sorry, you don't get special rules just because you are married to the candidate. I will attack Cindy McCain for her refusal to turn over tax records for 28 years.

Obama doesn't get to decide what is "acceptable".

Cindy and John file taxes separately.  She has no obligation to turn over any of her tax records.  If they filed jointly then it would be required.

So the Republican candidate is to be treated differently than the Democratic candidate?  If I am not wrong the Republican party made a lot of noise 4 years ago about John Kerry's wife turning over her tax records.  They set the precident, Mrs McCain should turn over her tax records.

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by joiei

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

I can't believe the rationalization I just read. She is not a former president so we can't talk about what she says?

She is on the campaign trail every day making speeches for her husband. She says something stupid and people comment on it.

No one is attacking his kids, his parents or anyone else in the family. She is campaigning.

How is she any different than any other campaign person? Other campaign people resign when they embarrass the campaign.

I am sorry, you don't get special rules just because you are married to the candidate. I will attack Cindy McCain for her refusal to turn over tax records for 28 years.

Obama doesn't get to decide what is "acceptable".

Cindy and John file taxes separately.  She has no obligation to turn over any of her tax records.  If they filed jointly then it would be required.

So the Republican candidate is to be treated differently than the Democratic candidate?  If I am not wrong the Republican party made a lot of noise 4 years ago about John Kerry's wife turning over her tax records.  They set the precident, Mrs McCain should turn over her tax records.

And. . . as I remember she did not.  The rules are the same, no matter what side the obnoxious people are on.  She has a right to the privacy of her tax records just like Mrs. Kerry does, just like you do, just like I do.

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

quote:Originally posted by FOTD
No one will admit, even to themselves, that they would vote against Obama because he's black. But they will quickly latch on to any other reason, so they can say, " its not because he's black, its because of.".. fill in the blank. His preacher, his wife, his lack of a flag pin, his refusal to salute the the flag or put his hand over his heart.

What a ridiculous assertion. Everyone who is opposed or criticizes Obama only does so because they are secretly racist. Really?

It's not a secret.

Fill in the blank.

Stick to the real issues if you dare or if you are even able. Try not to insert patriotism.

FOTD you're not supposed to smoke the seeds!  They'll give you a headache!

[FOTD]

Gaspar, try to be a decent person. Advocating the decriminalization of a victimless crime does not make one a user.

You do the same thing to me that you do to these discussions...make them personal.

Tsk tsk.