Tulsan takes stand, gets beat down

[tim huntzinger]

KOTV had an entirely wierd take on this story, in which a Tulsan is severely injured following a nuisance call to the popo.

Basically, the only thing a Tulsan should do is cower inside his/her car/house in the face of thugs and threats.  In my case, I was assault and beat by a trespassing grifter contractor trying to extort money/sign placement.  When the popo show all the assailant has to do is say the victim hit first, and in the current case sounds like the thugs would have had the requisite witness.  In fact, the so-called victim would have been arrested and there would have been no investigation.  Give it up, Tulsans, ya'll ain't in Bedford Falls no more!  My advice: cling to your guns (and ALWAYS fire a warning shot . . .)

In related news, Kenneth Gumm decides that he does not have the resources to fight tough-on-crime DA Harris, and accepts a 1st Degree Manslaughter charge for defending himself against a drunk meth-user.

[Conan71]

Remains to be seen, but I think he will get the whole sentence suspended.  I'm sure he looked at the legal costs and figured it was his best alternative.

Hopefully Harris will draw a better opponent next time instead of a two-bit plea bargainer with a Tulsa oil legacy.

[tim huntzinger]

Well what exactly is a Tulsan do do? Someone (think: the good doc) calls five times and no popo, another dude (Gumm) shoots the dude in self-defense and gets a ruined life, the interloper in the KOTV story is commended for doing the right thing and gets his cheek broken and the vermin are still nesting down the street. In my instance, I get jeered by the cops who show up who let some dude issue a false statement and now cruises my neighborhood regularly as if to taunt me.

My advice is for Tulsans to cower inside their houses after dark, let the thugs take over the neighborhoods, and to never call you-know-who over stupid stuff. Never trust strangers, do not ever open the door, mind your own business.  Be a snitch and pay the price.

[TheArtist]

Not sure what popo is, but I assume from the post you mean the police? How old are you anyway? 3? If I were the police and I read that I would jeer at you and not help you either. Sounds to me like you have an attitude problem and probably deserve all the crap and hassle you get from people. You have sure made me not like you. I hope thats the response your wanting, cause thats what your getting. And I bet its probably not just from me.

[tim huntzinger]

Do not care what the heck you think or if you like me or not. ***. I know I am old enough to know when some contractor grifter moves into town, lies about the terms of the service he offered, tries to shake me down for money, refuses to leave my property, hits me and runs away that is not right.  Then when the popo show up he lies and says I hit him and that he has witnesses and the popo are too lazy or apathetic to apply the slightest amount of effort to determine the truth of the situation.  I am old enough to know how to see that a grifter contractor has $12k in judgments against him in Ohio.  I am old enough to know when two POS civil servants let some dude get away with all that.

So the rube who got beat down did the right thing? How? By having his face broken by the vermin infesting his hood and no one can do a damn thing about it?

I hope you get assaulted and when the cops show up the assailant lies and they do nothing. Until then, shove off. Fer the record, I do not get crap from many people. Just grifters and trolls . . .

[patric]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

KOTV had an entirely wierd take on this story

You would think KOTV would have the resources, but crime reporting in Tulsa doesnt go much beyond re-formating police reports.  
The reason it all looks and sounds the same is most stories are practically verbatim from the Public Information Officer.

It also tends to be biased at the source, as well.  When you see a headline "Officer hurt in wreck" you might find he got some stitches while much further down find the other driver critical or dead.  Its just not good journalism.

[tim huntzinger]

Well, that is interesting.  D'ya suppose that TPD prompted the story or KOTV just felt compelled to tell Tulsans that they should always call the cops?  Even if you get your face broken?  Weird.

[mr.jaynes]

What it all boils down to, is do I have the right to defend myself or not? When I lived and worked in the New Orleans area (and yes, crime rate and all), I would occasionally find myself having to display a show of force (and it didn't often go beyond that) to deter certain people from hustling me or worse. And I make no apologies. I've never been mugged or strongarmed or had to pay "protection" to anyone, nor have I ever found myself in intensive care for injuries sustained by any miscreants preying upon the populace. They want willing victims, and when they see that this isn't here for them, sooner or later they move on.

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

Do not care what the heck you think or if you like me or not. ***. I know I am old enough to know when some contractor grifter moves into town, lies about the terms of the service he offered, tries to shake me down for money, refuses to leave my property, hits me and runs away that is not right.  Then when the popo show up he lies and says I hit him and that he has witnesses and the popo are too lazy or apathetic to apply the slightest amount of effort to determine the truth of the situation.  I am old enough to know how to see that a grifter contractor has $12k in judgments against him in Ohio.  I am old enough to know when two POS civil servants let some dude get away with all that.

So the rube who got beat down did the right thing? How? By having his face broken by the vermin infesting his hood and no one can do a damn thing about it?

I hope you get assaulted and when the cops show up the assailant lies and they do nothing. Until then, shove off. Fer the record, I do not get crap from many people. Just grifters and trolls . . .

Its obvious you dont care if I like you. Your language seems to suggest you dont care if anyone likes you, even those that are supposed to help you. The police arent always perfect, and may have indeed screwed up, but then calling them names isnt going to get you any sympathy or positive response from them.

Call them out, demand that they do the right thing. State your case loud and clear. But as soon as you start calling names,,, well good luck with that strategy. You have just become the bad guy regardless of whether you originally had a legitimate beef or not.

Sounds like you have been wronged, but how on earth can anyone be on your side if you start doing the wrong thing in response?

[tim huntzinger]

Yeah, well, there you go, damn right I gotta beef.  You just do not like me because I think that phoney Tuscan style looks like @$$. []

Dunno, Mister Jaynes, what a Tulsan is to do.  The story does not say.  The moral of the story was supposed to be 'doing the right thing' but I am stymied about how that is arrived at.  Dude calls the constabulary and gets his face broken.  He seems resigned to the situation and ain't bugging out so why should I care?

[mr.jaynes]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

Yeah, well, there you go, damn right I gotta beef.  You just do not like me because I think that phoney Tuscan style looks like @$$. []

Dunno, Mister Jaynes, what a Tulsan is to do.  The story does not say.  The moral of the story was supposed to be 'doing the right thing' but I am stymied about how that is arrived at.  Dude calls the constabulary and gets his face broken.  He seems resigned to the situation and ain't bugging out so why should I care?

Well, my choice is, I'm not going to be a victim, and as I have that in mind, when I know it, and believe it, and live it, life gets that much more easier.

[tim huntzinger]

Amen, brother.  But what to do when the system victimizes you? I mean, having some aho grifter contractor hit you, lie to the police, laugh in your face, and then stalk your neighborhood for months afterward is bad enough, but then to have the cops jeer at you and refuse to perform the slightest amount of effort to determine what happened?  pancakes 2 do? And then to have some girly boy like 'the artist' suggest I deserved the incident?

I certainly will do everything I can to rid myself of victim mentality, but I will never, ever call the TPD again for any reason unless it is to have them draw a chalk outline about two feet inside my door.  And even then, apparently, one should be sure to have the video recorder playing and be prepared for the District Attorney to wreak financial ruin on you.

[TheArtist]

I think you give yourself too much credit. I have never kept track of who does or doesnt like Faux Tuscan lol. As for girly man, I am not the one who got beat up, whined about it and then got jeered at by the popo lol. [8D]

Btw I didnt mean to suggest you deserved "the incedent",,, however if your the kind of person to call the police or others names, then it must stand to reason your less likely to be in a position to demand that they treat you fairly or garner any sympathy or even concern from them when you have been wronged.


Its one thing to be the kind of person who has been wronged and then complain about it and even demand that something be done to right the situation.

Its another thing to be the kind of person who has been wronged and then call people names.

Those are two different types of people even before an "incedent" occurs.

[tim huntzinger]

You are right, it did not happen to you.  Frankly I hope it does not.  There is nothing more frustrating than being assaulted, stalked, threatened, and then have your complaint summarily dismissed by the rocket scientists who are dispatched to the scene, even after the criminal issues a false statement to the cops.  Then to have the same bunch of stooges pat some rube on the back for calling them and having his face broken for it.

You been sniffin' your paint tooooo much.  pancakes does 'probably deserve all the crap' mean, then?  I am not entirely blameless, in that I opened the door when the contractor knocked, and after I was assaulted called the popo. Big mistakes.  'Stand up for your neighborhood'? Wrong!

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

You are right, it did not happen to you.  Frankly I hope it does not.  There is nothing more frustrating than being assaulted, stalked, threatened, and then have your complaint summarily dismissed by the rocket scientists who are dispatched to the scene, even after the criminal issues a false statement to the cops.  Then to have the same bunch of stooges pat some rube on the back for calling them and having his face broken for it.

You been sniffin' your paint tooooo much.  pancakes does 'probably deserve all the crap' mean, then?  I am not entirely blameless, in that I opened the door when the contractor knocked, and after I was assaulted called the popo. Big mistakes.  'Stand up for your neighborhood'? Wrong!

Perception

We have all run into people who seem to continually have "bad luck" and have bad things happen to them. Far more so than seems likely. But when we get to know them a bit we see that they have general attitudes, thoughts, ways of seeing and reacting to the world which put them in bad life situations. Or they even see the same situation as being negative or a person offending them, when another person would not see it that way. Or the negative attitude of a person just generating negative feedback from those around them. etc. After a while when we have seen many of these kinds of people we notice they have similar qualities. You also notice that even though it may seem like a small thing, over time those negative qualities add up in a persons life and they end up in jobs they dont like, around not so good people, in bad neighborhoods, unable to tell the difference between good and bad people and thus getting in more bad situations, etc. Actually creating in reality what was once mostly in their mind. Though they dont deserve every bad thing that happens to them,,, they certainly deserve quite a few. It becomes hard to untangle the tangled web of that persons life and determine which is more of which.

When I saw the name calling in your post it created the perception that you were one of those kinds of people.

I apologize if I was wrong. I dont often pay attention to who says what on here and just react to each post. Unless I have met the person or for some reason they stand out, I dont really know who everyone is and what their over all personality is like.