That Crazy Dennis the Menace

[FOTD]

You just gotta laugh at the low point the Neo Cons have gotten the USA to. Nowhere to go but up from here!
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/

Wow 35!

Congressman Dennis Kucinich Introduced 35 Articles of Impeachment Against President Bush on Monday Night....and they gotta vote this week.

I guess it doesn't matter anymore.

[cannon_fodder]

lol, I take it you did not actually read the articles or even a portion of them.  I appreciate Kucinich' zeal, but there is a reason he is always dead last when running for the Presidency...  it's because he is detached from reality.  I won't bother going over them all, just some low lights.

## 1 - 4 are the same basic charge.  The same charge should be levied against US forces for the Mexican American war, Spanish American, WWI, Korea, Vietnam... Also worth noting that he is charged with misleading Congress, but Dennis was never fooled based on the "information he saw."  Was that information not available to everyone else?

# 7 is not an impeachable offense.  You don't need a declaration of war to send troops by executive order.  I think it's stupid too, but I don't set constitutional laws nor Congressional precedent.

#8 is not applicable and wrong.  You can't impeach a US President based on international law and no one has ever shown what international law was violated.

#9 is not even a crime, let alone impeachable.  Everyone knows you go to the war with the army you have, not want.  And there is no law, stipulation, nor precedent for requiring the best equipment.

## 10 - 13 are probably not impeachable offenses as well as being amazing conspiracy theories.  Secret societies, a war for oil, and permanent bases in Iraq, oh my!

# 15, providing immunity, is not a crime.

# 16, wasting tax dollars.  Holy crap, if this was a crime...

# 17 Habeus has not been suspended.  Suspending it is not a crime (see Civil war, WWI, WWII)

# 20 He should be impeached because "his agents" (the US military) imprisoned child combatants. lol.

# 21, misleading congress on Iran.  How did he mislead them and even if he did, what crime is that?

# 28, he stole the Florida election.  I thought the Supreme Court settled that one?  No crime.

# 30, attempting to destroy Medicare.  Awesome.

"#31 Katrina"  Getting better and better.  He should be impeached because of a hurricane and a horrible bureaucratic response to it.

# 32, Systematically undermining "global climate change."

# 35, endangering the health of 9/11 first responders.  
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Being incompetent or unpopular is not a crime.  You need to be convicted of a CRIME to be impeached.  He has some good points in there, but the vast majority are conspiracy theories and laughable "crimes" like "undermining global climate change."

Pay attention AOX, not even you can believe that most of this is any reason to impeach a president.  "Attempting to destroy Medicare."  Seriously, Bush is not a good president - but this is a joke.  

Basically the impeachment can be summed up by stating "I am against all wars and you disagree with me on my environmental agenda, the government sucked in their response to Katrina, and I believe most internet conspiracies."  What a waste of time when these guys have plenty of real problems they should be addressing.


Article 2 § 4 of the US Constitution.

quote:The President, Vice President, and all other civil Officers of the United States shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other High Crimes and Misdemeanors.

The accusations within the articles:

quote:
#1: Creating a secret propaganda campaign to manufacture a false case for war against Iraq

#2 Falsely, Systematically, and with Criminal Intent Conflating the Attacks of September 11, 2001, With Misrepresentation of Iraq as a Security Threat as Part of Fraudulent Justification for a War of Aggression

#3 Misleading the American People and Members of Congress to Believe Iraq Possessed Weapons of Mass Destruction, to Manufacture a False Case for War

#4 Misleading the American People and Members of Congress to Believe Iraq Posed an Imminent Threat to the United States

#5 Illegally Misspending Funds to Secretly Begin a War of Aggression

#6 Invading Iraq in Violation of the Requirements of HJRes114

#7: Invading Iraq without a declaration of war.

#8: Invading Iraq in violation of the U.N. charter and international law.

#9: Failing to provide troops with body armor and vehicle armor.

#10: Falsifying accounts of US troops deaths and injuries for political purposes

#11: Establishment of permanent military bases in Iraq

#12: Initiating a war against Iraq for control of that nation's natural resources.

#13: Secret task force for directing national energy policy

#14: Misprision of a felony, misuse and exposure of classified information and cover up (Plame outing)

#15: Providing immunity from prosecution for criminal conduct for contractors in Iraq

#16: Reckless misspending and wasted US tax dollar with Iraq contractors

#17: Illegal detention – detaining indefinitely, and without charge, American citizens and foreign captives (suspension of habeus)

#18: Torture – secretly authorizing and encouraging use of torture, as matter of official policy

#19 Rendition

#20 Imprisoning Children Bush is guilty of impeachable offence arcticle 20, imprisoning children. Has personal and acting through agents has held at least 2,500 children in violation of Geneva convention and the rights of children in armed conflict signed by the US in 2002.

#21 Misleading Congress about threats from Iran

#22. HAS ESTABLISHED A BODY OF SECRET LAWS THROUGH THE OFFICE OF LEGAL COUNSEL. THE YOO MEMORANDUM WAS DECLASSIFIED YEARS AFTER IT SERVED AS LAW UNDER THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH.

#23 Violated Posse Comitatus Act ESTABLISHED PROGRAMS FOR THE USE OF THE MILITARY IN LAW ENFORCEMENT. MUST BE AUTHORIZED BY THE CONSTITUTION OF THE CONGRESS SO THAT THE MILTARY CANNOT BECOME A NATIONAL POLICE FORCE.

#24 Spying on citizens violating 4th Amendment

#25 Directing telecoms to collect databases on US citizens.

#26 Announcing intent to violate laws w/signing statements, and then violating those laws.

#27 Failing to comply with congressional subpoenas, and instructing others to do so.

#28 tampering with free and fair election. Corruption with the administration of justice, False allegations of voter fraud in selected districts, immediately preceding elections. Undermining process.

#29: Conspiracy to violate voting rights act of 1965, Ohio Sec of State 2004-06

#30: Misleading congress and american people in an attemtp to destroy medicare.

#31 Katrina and the failures of gross negligence of the administration.

#32: Misleading congress and the American people. Systematically undermining global climate change. Article 2, Section 3: Personally and through subordinates including the VP, for not protecting property of people vis a vis global climate change thru deception.  Failure to ratify Kyoto. Editing reports - 294 edits by a lobbyist to add data which called into question the facts by muddying them. Or diminishing scientific findings.

#33: Repeatedly ignored and failed to respond to high level intelligence warnings of planned terrorist attacks in U.S. prior to 9/11.
Clark warned the president in daily briefings of the threat. Clark was unable to conviene a cabinet level position. Tenet met with the president 40 times to warn of threat. Still no meetings of top officials.

#34: Obstruction into the investigation of 9/11

#35: endangering the health of 9/11 first responders

[rwarn17588]

Besides that, the dope's going to be out of office in about seven months anyway.

[FOTD]

The "Liberal Media" will have a field day ignoring this.


Way too late of course, and he doesn't have a chance of accomplishing it... BUT...
It is the right thing to do. George W. Bush is guilty of high treason, and deserving of the worst treatment we can unleash upon a murderous war criminal.

Never thought I'd miss Nixon!

[Conan71]

Hack partisan politics at it's very worst.  Doesn't Kucinich have something more important to do?

[FOTD]

I bet he has more to do than you dear Conman....I mean, take a look at his hawt wife.

[cannon_fodder]

Congrats on yet another total failure to address any coherent points AOX.

Saying he is guilty of treason doesn't make it so.  Nor does the list of mostly ridiculous accusations levied make them so, or even actionable.  There is a reason this is being ignored.

quote:
# 30, attempting to destroy Medicare

If you don't want to substantively discuss things, why bother posting it?

[buckeye]

Kucinich has been a knucklehead since his days in Ohio government.  I couldn't believe he was elected to 'serve' in Washington.

[Hometown]

I'm holding out for an international war crimes trial -- ten or fifteen years down the road.

[Hometown]

FOTD says "No where for the Neocons to go but up from here."

I say we could go even further into the hole.

According to an interesting astrologer I was reading not long ago, the world will continue its drift towards greater and greater authoritarism until 2030.

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

Congrats on yet another total failure to address any coherent points AOX.

Saying he is guilty of treason doesn't make it so.  Nor does the list of mostly ridiculous accusations levied make them so, or even actionable.  There is a reason this is being ignored.

quote:
# 30, attempting to destroy Medicare

If you don't want to substantively discuss things, why bother posting it?

Uh, maybe I have better waze to allocate my time than to go ego around with you.

I post things to get responses like Homey's or to get the cream to rise.

I have told you seveal times CF why I post. It's to expose the hypocrits, the lies, the injustices and the oppressions. Does this thread fit? I think so.

[cannon_fodder]

So that's a "no, I will not discuss the substance of my post."

How did Dennis' impeachment of Dick go?

He wasted 4 hours of our Congress' time.  Everyone knows he doesn't like Bush.  Most everyone admits that Bush has handled things very badly.  Unfortunately, there is very little actual grounds for impeachment articulated in that document - which is supposed to be the point of the document.

And as for war crimes - wake up.  The select few people convicted of war crimes have gone on admitted campaigns to kill entire groups of people.  They sent soldiers to burn villages, rape women, and kidnap children.  Are you actually accusing our military of doing such things as a matter of course or are you just spouting more "I hate Bush" hyperbole.

The renditions, secret prisons, domestic spying and allegation of intentionally withholding information from Congress are serious charges.  Worthy of closer scrutiny in my opinion.  But so much garbage was thrown in that it's just a joke.  

Welcome to election year in the USA.

[FOTD]

What is "is" in the history books. 4 hours is not wasted time in Congress. 8 years, now there's a lotta waste.

[Hometown]

Cannon, You need to travel outside of your ORU circle to broaden your horizon.

The Iraq war was a war of aggression.

Now knock out 6,000 words in response.  You got some time on your hands man.  Idle hands are the Devil's playground, right?

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

So that's a "no, I will not discuss the substance of my post."

How did Dennis' impeachment of Dick go?

He wasted 4 hours of our Congress' time.  Everyone knows he doesn't like Bush.  Most everyone admits that Bush has handled things very badly.  Unfortunately, there is very little actual grounds for impeachment articulated in that document - which is supposed to be the point of the document.

And as for war crimes - wake up.  The select few people convicted of war crimes have gone on admitted campaigns to kill entire groups of people.  They sent soldiers to burn villages, rape women, and kidnap children.  Are you actually accusing our military of doing such things as a matter of course or are you just spouting more "I hate Bush" hyperbole.

The renditions, secret prisons, domestic spying and allegation of intentionally withholding information from Congress are serious charges.  Worthy of closer scrutiny in my opinion.  But so much garbage was thrown in that it's just a joke.  

Welcome to election year in the USA.

OMG I just read that (I've been avoiding this thread).  Kucinich is such an embarrassment.  What kind of person keeps voting for him?