2nd Amendment Case (Held: individual right)

[FOTD]

Do reactionaries and gun nuts need the second amendement for deer sausage?

There are 5 that are Federalist Society, 7 of the 9 are Republican installations.

This one in particular should be impeached.

http://existentialistcowboy.blogspot.com/2008/06/un-american-lies-of-antonin-scalia.html

Maybe, if Obama can appoint a couple of judges we can see an impeachment of Scalia.

Meanwhile, is the second amendment issue victim friendly? I'm not asking about the deer here....

[cannon_fodder]

Objection, non responsive AGAIN.

And if the Existentialist Cowboy says a Supreme Court Justice is wrong, he must be.  He cited a report that was later retracted AND I disagree with his legal logic because I don't like the outcome, so impeach him!

The Supreme Court ruled against your position - solution: impeach the author of the opinion. Just last week you were saying we need more Republican appointees.  You didn't know it, but you said we need a Democrat to appoint more XY and Z'z... listing all republican appointees.

Thank you for showing your lack logic skills.  But I ask you AGAIN:

1) What about this opinion do you disagree with?
2) What historical aspects in the definition do you take issue with?
3) Do you have any linguistic issues?

Basically, WHY ARE THEY WRONG.  For gods sake, all you need to do is plagiarize some portions of the dissent.

quote:
Meanwhile, is the second amendment issue victim friendly? I'm not asking about the deer here.

Blue.  That response made about as much sense as this question.  

We are dealing with fundamental rights.  Is free speech "victim friendly" to those slandered?  What protest rights "victim friendly" to those being protested?  How about property rights, not very friendly to the victim of hold outs.

What a stupid question. Try again, try harder.

[RecycleMichael]

I believe you have the right to own a musket.

[FOTD]

I am certain you also back the right to carry a loaded firearm into our National Parks which has been prohibited but with NRA and gun nut preasure Mista Bushed proposes to now allow. It too will end up in front of the Bushevik 5 on SCROTUM.

Look out for missed deer fragments while hiking the family through Yosemite. Damned if I'll go camp in a National Park with a bunch of crazies running around with booze and guns...the Park Rangers are scary enough...(no music after 8pm, tie that kitten up or I'll have to shoot it, don't make me call in the SWAT team..put that fire out, I don't care if its raining, you think thats a fire pit? your papers..your permit..your passport..your business, here?)

80 million Americans have a right to bear arms.... Was there not a woman shot to death just yesterday here in Tulsa? She was shot with her own registered gun by an intruder. Shouldn't there be an emphasis on safety over freedom in order to protect the victims? Is it ok to do above ground nuclear testing? No. But, it's for national security. Who cares about the fallout? Same logic....

You still can't wear your gun on the outside CF
despite your desire to show off.

[mr.jaynes]

I think if this has upheld the provisions of the 2nd amendment allowing gun ownership in a high crime city, this is good news. Now if they can provide for gun ownership in New York and Los Angeles and Chicago....

[shadows]

CP:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall
not be infringed.

If you take in consideration the conditions the constitution was written in a very secrete meeting that was to determine the states right which came along almost 200 hundred years later.

Being I am noted for two subjects in a single sentence the error was placing a comma after free State not a period.  

In the second sentence the comma after Arms should have been  left out thus ending the second sentence with a period.

Boy if I were to write something as in the order of the Second Amendment I would be call uneducated even with my 4th grade report card.

Like Rome, we have more bureaucrats than leaders.   Boy do we have an selection  on who will run the country the next four years.  

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Here's the WaPo story if anyone wants it in layman's terms []:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/26/AR2008062600615.html?referrer=email

This is a landmark. First conclusive ruling on Amend II since ratified in 1791.

Lock and Load!

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And don't shoot yourself in the foot. [}:)]

I'll keep crutches handy.

And, don't you shoot your mouth off.

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[cannon_fodder]

FOTD:

I don't carry a weapon in public nor do I keep a weapon readily accessible in my home (I have a young son).  So in spite of yet another topic shift and non responsive post, your accusation that I am somehow trying to show off just doesn't work.  

And the National Parks weapons ban has nothing to do with this case.  The court makes it clear that the right is not absolute.  Go read the case you are criticizing before complaining so much.  And I'll assume you have never been off the main roads in a national park anyway, so the discussion would be moot.

And you try yet another shotgun blast (changing the topic is not discussion), eventually you'll make a point if you just keep changing it up -

quote:Shouldn't there be an emphasis on safety over freedom in order to protect the victims?

No.  It is bullsh!t statements like this (along with "think of the children") that allow our rights to be given away.  Your argument is, "to protect the people we need to take away their rights."  And that is about as close to fascism as one can get (the State knows best).

With that position, I will NEVER agree.
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Shadows:

The founders chose words VERY carefully.  The meaning as interpreted has historical as well as linguistic support.  Please read the first 5 or 6 pages of the opinion linked above and it VERY clearly goes over these points.

[FOTD]

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/politicalcartoons/ig/Political-Cartoons/Gun-Ban-Gunned-Down.htm

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

I am certain you also back the right to carry a loaded firearm into our National Parks which has been prohibited but with NRA and gun nut preasure Mista Bushed proposes to now allow. It too will end up in front of the Bushevik 5 on SCROTUM.

Look out for missed deer fragments while hiking the family through Yosemite. Damned if I'll go camp in a National Park with a bunch of crazies running around with booze and guns...the Park Rangers are scary enough...(no music after 8pm, tie that kitten up or I'll have to shoot it, don't make me call in the SWAT team..put that fire out, I don't care if its raining, you think thats a fire pit? your papers..your permit..your passport..your business, here?)

80 million Americans have a right to bear arms.... Was there not a woman shot to death just yesterday here in Tulsa? She was shot with her own registered gun by an intruder. Shouldn't there be an emphasis on safety over freedom in order to protect the victims? Is it ok to do above ground nuclear testing? No. But, it's for national security. Who cares about the fallout? Same logic....

You still can't wear your gun on the outside CF
despite your desire to show off.

If you read something other than Pravda, you would have known this morning this creep was arrested for killing his wife.  

I'd figured that out by the third paragraph of the original story.  It was flimsy as hell.  She took four or five shots, he got shot in the hand with his own gun...hello?

The SCOTUS opinion changed nothing of it and would not have.  More gun control would not have saved her.  If this nut-job wanted her dead he'd have figured another way to do it.  Why don't we ban ligatures, rat poison, insulin, etc. ad nauseum to prevent things like this from happening in the future, k?

Legal gun owners are mostly responsible people and take having a firearm serious, especially on public lands.  I don't have a single fear of going into a National Park.

[cannon_fodder]

Here is crime data for Washington DC from 1960 - 2005.  The handgun ban went into effect in 1976.

In the year following, crime in the
gun related" areas drastically shot up - most notably robbery and murder.    It peaked in 1991 at absolutely unreal levels of violence.  It has since come back down, but remains higher than it was in 1976.

That does not prove that having guns lowers crime rates... but it certainly goes to show a LACK of correlation between making guns illegal and stopping crimes involving firearms.
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/dccrime.htm

Scroll down to see the "crime rate" data to take fluctuations in population into account.  Most articles attribute the drop in crime to the gentrification of much of the city that started in the early 1990's.  

And again, the "crime' element is not my angle.  I don't pretend having a gun will necessarily keep me safe.  But in return, recognize that banning has never been shown to reduce gun violence in America.

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD




80 million Americans have a right to bear arms.... Was there not a woman shot to death just yesterday here in Tulsa? She was shot with her own registered gun by an intruder. Shouldn't there be an emphasis on safety over freedom in order to protect the victims? Is it ok to do above ground nuclear testing? No. But, it's for national security. Who cares about the fallout? Same logic....

You still can't wear your gun on the outside CF
despite your desire to show off.

Apparently, she was not shot by an intruder.....

http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=8564778

"Records show Kastner had claimed he was in the Israeli Special Forces and was going to have access to millions of dollars through an Israeli charitable group called the 713 Corporation."

He was a nut but not a gun nut.......had access to a gun and shot her in the head.

Sad. She was a kind person.

Meanwhile, "It's a big blow to those of us who believe in common sense gun laws," Gov. Rod Blagojevich said during an appearance at a West Side community agency to announce a summer jobs program. "And as a result, it's the wrong decision."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-supreme-court-gun-ban,0,3522044.story

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

Here is crime data for Washington DC from 1960 - 2005.  The handgun ban went into effect in 1976.

In the year following, crime in the
gun related" areas drastically shot up - most notably robbery and murder.    It peaked in 1991 at absolutely unreal levels of violence.  It has since come back down, but remains higher than it was in 1976.

That does not prove that having guns lowers crime rates... but it certainly goes to show a LACK of correlation between making guns illegal and stopping crimes involving firearms.
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/dccrime.htm

Scroll down to see the "crime rate" data to take fluctuations in population into account.  Most articles attribute the drop in crime to the gentrification of much of the city that started in the early 1990's.  

And again, the "crime' element is not my angle.  I don't pretend having a gun will necessarily keep me safe.  But in return, recognize that banning has never been shown to reduce gun violence in America.

I miss D.C.'s crackhead Mayor Berry.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

quote:Originally posted by FOTD




80 million Americans have a right to bear arms.... Was there not a woman shot to death just yesterday here in Tulsa? She was shot with her own registered gun by an intruder. Shouldn't there be an emphasis on safety over freedom in order to protect the victims? Is it ok to do above ground nuclear testing? No. But, it's for national security. Who cares about the fallout? Same logic....

You still can't wear your gun on the outside CF
despite your desire to show off.

Apparently, she was not shot by an intruder.....

http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=8564778

"Records show Kastner had claimed he was in the Israeli Special Forces and was going to have access to millions of dollars through an Israeli charitable group called the 713 Corporation."

He was a nut but not a gun nut.......had access to a gun and shot her in the head.

Sad. She was a kind person.

Meanwhile, "It's a big blow to those of us who believe in common sense gun laws," Gov. Rod Blagojevich said during an appearance at a West Side community agency to announce a summer jobs program. "And as a result, it's the wrong decision."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-supreme-court-gun-ban,0,3522044.story

Is that normal for our police chief to totally  impugn the character of a suspect in the media?  Kastner's attorneys are going to have fun with that.

[shadows]

CF:

Since the days of Athens, we should consider this as current history, as it is a duplication over and over the control of a self selected group who want the working poor to finance them, as through our department of propaganda we seek to control the cash cow which furnishes the source of their control.

Peter Woll in his works of the formers of the constitution (American Government) would analyze each of the members that were not chosen by the working poor, to participate in the writing of the constitution behind guarded closed doors.  Many were there to protect states rights which they feared federalism would render them back to the English rule.

Franklin at the start of the meeting said similar to "I smell a rat" and went home.

After the draft was completed the question arose that this was total federalism, which denied the states rights, so it lay on the table as only a draft that would not be submitted to the legislators because it contained no right for the working poor.

A couple years later at another meeting the 12 Amendments to give the working poor a place in the constitution was submitted and of them 10 were chosen to be included in the final draft being submitted by the congress to the states as an insurance that it included both state and civilian rights.

I agree history records that a selection of words were used to make no commitments of states rights nor individual rights.  As the war of 1860 settled State Rights and Justice Cardozo in 1937 ruled on the working poor's civilian right.  

These "well chosen words" in the present requires in excess of over one-million attorneys and judges writing in millions of white papers of the interruption of the simple well chosen words  to clarify the simple chosen words used in the Amendments.

The system has not died as it is alive and well in the political system existing in Tulsa and elsewhere as the cash cow has become the working poor.

From the days when the civilians gathered together for protection of their rights in Athens, (creating the cash cow) today there has been no change.