Mayor Taylor To Give BOK $7 Mil for Great Plains

[MichaelBates]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

There is a big difference between discussing the topic and directing people to his radio show and his blog.

His first post says to listen to his show (because you were going to be on it) and his second tries to direct people to leave this forum and go to his blog.

I have no problem with public discussion, but these two posts seem to promote him more than discussing the topic on this forum.

I have posted my website as a response for questions or for information. I think that is different than starting a thread directing people to listen to him.

He started a thread on a breaking news story that has generated plenty of discussion here, an indication that the forum regulars were very interested in this topic.

Chris can speak for himself, but I suspect at 12:41 pm, just over an hour before his show begins, he didn't have time to write a detailed post, just time to post something quick and let people know where they could learn more. It wasn't a hit-and-run post -- he came back later and participated in the discussion here.

Whether you like him or not, he has first-hand knowledge and perspective on this issue because it came up during his time on the City Council. We ought to encourage people like that to post here, not try to run them off.

If you want to start the iheartkathy.com forum, where never is heard a discouraging word about the mayor, feel free to do that somewhere else. The TulsaNow board of directors created this public forum to encourage public discussion, not to stifle it.

[RecycleMichael]

I guess you people in the entertainment and political spin business just get to act differently.

Promoting yourself non-stop must how you get paid.

[Chris Medlock]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

I really like your version of election history.

Medlock loses election after election and it is someone else's fault. Did you ever consider that the voters just didn't like him?

He had a history of starting arguments and pissing people off. He also was outed for lying. It sounds like to me that he has the perfect job as a disc jockey.

This is not an attempt to slam other disc jockeys.

Now you've gone and done it. When was I outed for lying? I know what you think and what you're going to say, but I explained that situation the day it came out. I never lied and you can't prove I did. So who's the revisionist, Patton? What would be learned about YOU if the Lorton's money was directed to digging into your life?

Sing another tune and let's get onto something happening now, like you're precious KT blowing her career to smithereens?

BTW...my election record is 4 and 3. What's yours Recycled Michael Patton?

[Chris Medlock]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Then, horror-of-horrors, he's next co-hosting a morning talk show, after they run off the Hated-One Michael Delgiorno.

Now, he's back solo as a local talk radio commentator 10 hours per week:

Raggin' on their asses every day......Some fun.

You must be the only one listening.

http://www.fmqb.com/Article.asp?id=17533

Their station is 15th out of 19 in the local market. Even his own station demoted him to the mid-afternoon time slot.

I think he started this thread just so he could promote himself and his show. It looks like a desperate effort to get listeners.

We should ban him for spamming.

Let's see Patton. I have been doing radio for all of 14 months. I go from a co-host on a morning show to having my own show in the afternoon. I get a raise, and you Taylor apologists like you like to spin it as a demotion. You're pathetic.

[Chris Medlock]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Then, horror-of-horrors, he's next co-hosting a morning talk show, after they run off the Hated-One Michael Delgiorno.

Now, he's back solo as a local talk radio commentator 10 hours per week:

Raggin' on their asses every day......Some fun.

You must be the only one listening.

http://www.fmqb.com/Article.asp?id=17533

Their station is 15th out of 19 in the local market. Even his own station demoted him to the mid-afternoon time slot.

I think he started this thread just so he could promote himself and his show. It looks like a desperate effort to get listeners.

We should ban him for spamming.

Tired old game of citing ratings for 12 year olds up of both genders, which is all that is published for free, Patton. What is our rank among males 35 to 65 with a household income of $100K plus? If you knew this one, you wouldn't be able to sleep at night. Also explains why Mayor KT is too afraid to come on any of our shows to answer hardball questions.

[Chris Medlock]

Disclosing people's personal information on a forum that allows users to remain anonymous is both against our policies and just plain childish when you use it to make a point. Please cease this practice immediately.  
-ADMIN

[Chris Medlock]

Disclosing people's personal information on a forum that allows users to remain anonymous is both against our policies and just plain childish when you use it to make a point. Please cease this practice immediately.  
-ADMIN

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by MichaelBates

This is a substantive public policy issue and belongs here. An admin for this site should not be making such dismissive comments and threats. Your attitude does not promote public discourse.

The conflation, distortion, and whining doesn't do much for the level of discourse either, Michael.  Whatever "substance" there was became impossible to discern once you guys started pumping out the poo.  So climb off your high horse and enjoy the smell down here; you helped make it.

Without so much as discourse, you wouldn't even be able to complain about "the level". A lecture on substance? All you have offered is B.S. scare tactics, based on false assumptions and bogus bond ratings. Maybe you should pull your head out of your high horses rears and start addressing the issues being raised with some substance instead of pathetically deflecting in a desperate attempts to disrupt the discussion, shift the focus, pass the buck, and scare the public into submission through Chicken Piddles sky is falling doomsday scenario based on bogus bond ratings? Oh, I almost forgot about Joey Boy's pathetic  attempts to guilt the public into accepting that we somehow owe this to King Kaiser because of his "philanthropy". You pontificate about substance yet offer none yourselves. No wonder you are defending this deviant deal when you engage the same dysfunctional deceptive double standards. Yeah, you guys are really on the level, forgive me for criticizing or questioning your supreme moral authority. [sarcasm off]

One more thing, that smell is coming from the turd that King Kaiser and Queen Kathy dropped in their Krystal Kastle on their golden throne. There's just one problem, no matter how discreet they attempted to be, it's so big they couldn't just flush it away. The foul odor coming from their Krystal Kastle continues to grow as the stench of their decaying defecation emanates across all parts of the city, and chokes Tulsans who inhale the royal toxic fumes. Let's be fair, and give credit where is due. King Kaiser should like credit, after all, it's how he's filled his treasury.

[RecycleMichael]

quote:Originally posted by Chris Medlock
Tired old game of citing ratings for 12 year olds up of both genders, which is all that is published for free, Patton. What is our rank among males 35 to 65 with a household income of $100K plus? If you knew this one, you wouldn't be able to sleep at night. Also explains why Mayor KT is too afraid to come on any of our shows to answer hardball questions.

Please share, o' ratings king.

If you think that your ratings with a certain demographic affect my sleep, you are delusional. Do you really think I care about you that much?

Do you have to open the sunroof in your car so your head fits inside when you drive?

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

quote:Originally posted by Chris Medlock
Tired old game of citing ratings for 12 year olds up of both genders, which is all that is published for free, Patton. What is our rank among males 35 to 65 with a household income of $100K plus? If you knew this one, you wouldn't be able to sleep at night. Also explains why Mayor KT is too afraid to come on any of our shows to answer hardball questions.

Please share, o' ratings king.

If you think that your ratings with a certain demographic affect my sleep, you are delusional. Do you really think I care about you that much?

Do you have to open the sunroof in your car so your head fits inside when you drive?

[}:)]

+1

[Chris Medlock]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

quote:Originally posted by Chris Medlock
Tired old game of citing ratings for 12 year olds up of both genders, which is all that is published for free, Patton. What is our rank among males 35 to 65 with a household income of $100K plus? If you knew this one, you wouldn't be able to sleep at night. Also explains why Mayor KT is too afraid to come on any of our shows to answer hardball questions.

Please share, o' ratings king.

If you think that your ratings with a certain demographic affect my sleep, you are delusional. Do you really think I care about you that much?

Do you have to open the sunroof in your car so your head fits inside when you drive?

Obviously you do, Patton. You take every opportunity to take a cheap shot, but hey...must just be your winning personality.

Any time you want to compare the "reach" that I have, or Michael Bates has, to the reach you have, I'll happily play.

[swake]

The city of Tulsa might technically, legally be able to spend a couple of million dollars on lawyers to get out of this debt that the city council and mayor (a previous version) entered into with Bank of Oklahoma. Then again the city probably would not be able to win such a case and then would also probably be responsible for interest on the debt and maybe even the millions Bank of Oklahoma would spend on legal fees pressing the issue.  

I'm not a lawyer, but, the issue seems pretty simple, the city guaranteed a loan to a second party by putting up collateral that was not legal for them to use as collateral. That was the manner the city used to securitize the loan, it does not mean that suddenly the city doesn't "owe" Bank of Oklahoma on the default.

If the courts were to allow the debt to be removed based on this securitization error then shady borrowers all over the nation would start to attempt to use illegal collateral on loans and then upon "discovery" of the error clear the debt of the loan and walk away with the capital from the loan free and clear. That simply makes no sense and for any court to rule in favor of the city would potentially be very damaging to the U.S. banking system. This case is an easy loser for the city of Tulsa.

Even worse if the fact that pressing a lawsuit on this debt that the city certainly did incur (the only question is that city put up illegal collateral) might well, in fact probably would create an acrimonious relationship with one of Tulsa's largest headquarters company and the city's wealthiest citizen and greatest current philanthropist. A positive relationship with Bank of Oklahoma and George Kaiser has mean something in the range $100 million dollars in charitable donations to city needs in just the last couple of years. Would might a difficult and strained relationship yield? To try to save seven million dollars that the city does morally and more than likely legally owe? What if he stopped donating and moved all or part of his company? Would that have been worth the seven million?

A conservative should see that the city owes this money and should pay it. Simple, pay what you owe. Why is the "conservatives" now want to run to the courts just like kid with the stupid slip and fall in another thread?

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by swake

The city of Tulsa might technically, legally be able to spend a couple of million dollars on lawyers to get out of this debt that the city council and mayor (a previous version) entered into with Bank of Oklahoma. Then again the city probably would not be able to win such a case and then would also probably be responsible for interest on the debt and maybe even the millions Bank of Oklahoma would spend on legal fees pressing the issue.  

I'm not a lawyer, but, the issue seems pretty simple, the city guaranteed a loan to a second party by putting up collateral that was not legal for them to use as collateral. That was the manner the city used to securitize the loan, it does not mean that suddenly the city doesn't "owe" Bank of Oklahoma on the default.

If the courts were to allow the debt to be removed based on this securitization error then shady borrowers all over the nation would start to attempt to use illegal collateral on loans and then upon "discovery" of the error clear the debt of the loan and walk away with the capital from the loan free and clear. That simply makes no sense and for any court to rule in favor of the city would potentially be very damaging to the U.S. banking system. This case is an easy loser for the city of Tulsa.

Even worse if the fact that pressing a lawsuit on this debt that the city certainly did incur (the only question is that city put up illegal collateral) might well, in fact probably would create an acrimonious relationship with one of Tulsa's largest headquarters company and the city's wealthiest citizen and greatest current philanthropist. A positive relationship with Bank of Oklahoma and George Kaiser has mean something in the range $100 million dollars in charitable donations to city needs in just the last couple of years. Would might a difficult and strained relationship yield? To try to save seven million dollars that the city does morally and more than likely legally owe? What if he stopped donating and moved all or part of his company? Would that have been worth the seven million?

A conservative should see that the city owes this money and should pay it. Simple, pay what you owe. Why is the "conservatives" now want to run to the courts just like kid with the stupid slip and fall in another thread?

Nominated for post of the day!
It's Sunday and by daze end there are some rad competitors. And the way CM is going, it's gonna get stranger.

BTW Swake, there has to be a better definition for conservative now that "neo" blew the old definition away.

[MDepr2007]

Hmmm... So with the above analogy, I should not give to the city until the city does right with how the city did me wrong. Lets call it the "Kaiser Way"

Oh by the way quit spinning the facts.. It was not the city it was TIA. The city had nothing in this until KT had BOK pull the city in. If BOK lawyers thought the city was responsible, the city would have been named in the original lawsuit. Wonder why the city was not named in the beginning....hmmmm

[MDepr2007]

Why does someone who has given way more than $7 mil to Tulsa , care more about this $7 million than he does of the city financialy.
Whats the big missing picture that makes this $7.1 million so important