Mayor Taylor To Give BOK $7 Mil for Great Plains

[Wrinkle]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

Their meetings are open and their agendas are posted. Have you ever attended one?

Is your idea just to slam them because you can't name the current board?

Sure they are, as stated, they hold them "periodically" and "usually at City Hall".

I'll pencil that in.

I think it's your idea that I'm slaming them.
I asked only for a current listing of the Trustees.

It's my understanding that would be public information as well, and easily obtainable. But, a more than casual interest came up nil.

There's the Mayor, of course. Since she's been in office, it's presumed she's re/appointed two replacements. If I go peruse the last 75 City Council Agendas, I could probably pick up those two.

That leaves five.

[RecycleMichael]

Did you call the staff person?
Tom Warren, 584-7881

I guess I don't understand your innuendo.

[tim huntzinger]

Awesome: Chris' summation bears reiteration:

'The city was NEVER the guarantor. Period.

The 22 acres of land that TAIT put up as a guarantee was improper because using it as collateral was against FAA regulations. Period

BOK had to know the collateral was bogus because they did all the bond indenture work for TAIT and had officers that knew the land couldn't be used. Period.

In fact, the FACT is that it is a FACT that BOK NEVER FILED THE PAPER WORK WITH THE COUNTY ASSESSOR TO REGISTER THE 22 ACRES of land as COLLATERAL. Why? Because they KNEW it was bogus. PERIOD.

Tulsa wasn't a party to the loan until Kathy Taylor negotiated with BOK to do so. Period.

Why was BOK and the Mayor of Tulsa working out a settlement for a case between TIA and TAIT?

No speculation here guys...it's all documented fact. Your speculation doesn't make any of this less factual.'

[Wrinkle]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

Did you call the staff person?
Tom Warren, 584-7881

I guess I don't understand your innuendo.

Sorry, that doesn't get you the bonus.

Innuendo?

Wanting to know the names of the people we're supposed to pay $7.1 million, and who have sued TAIT for what appears to be some combination of their own failing and/or collusion, but who now expect Tulsans to pick up the cost of their mistake.

No innuendo.

[cannon_fodder]

The TAA itself has a decent website explaining who the members are, where and when they meet:
http://www.tulsaairports.com/index.cfm?id=34

But I haven't been able to find information on many of the other commissions/authorities/agencies for the City:
http://www.cityoftulsa.org/OurCity/AgencyAuthority.asp#Women

So many of these have a lot of overlapping area.  And the list doesn't include the Tulsa Sports Commission, am I making that one up? Also, some list websites, others do not - we know the TAA has a website (linked above), but it isn't listed.  Argh.

- And now a report from the "Mayor's Commission on the Status of Women."
- "Still female."
- Thank you. And now a report from...

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by FOTD


Too many keep their focus on the micromanagement of situatuions.  Where they fail to see how change and progress come about instead allowing politics to cloud their ability to see what is best in the long run for our community.

There sure are many here who will always be stuck on their own specialty and especially this little devil. Despite not being a lawyer, Little Lucifer here dealt in many "convoluted" situations where common sense had to prevail over legal entanglements to negotiate a reasonable conclusion so that the parties could move on for the best of both. Hence, mediation to end litigation and to relieve stress is often the selected road towards negotiation. Consider this deal was negotiated between the bank and the council with the mayor mediating. They just did not ask your opinion.  

This is Queen Kathy and King Kaiser's turd. The Council didn't negotiate ****. As a matter of fact, the machiavellian maneuvering Da Mare engaged in left the Council no other options but to do her bidding against their will. Why don't you get your facts straight before you mouth off with these insults to our intelligence. Either you are just clueless or an outright liar.

Someone's off their meds or suffering from a brain disorder or both.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by FOTD


Too many keep their focus on the micromanagement of situatuions.  Where they fail to see how change and progress come about instead allowing politics to cloud their ability to see what is best in the long run for our community.

There sure are many here who will always be stuck on their own specialty and especially this little devil. Despite not being a lawyer, Little Lucifer here dealt in many "convoluted" situations where common sense had to prevail over legal entanglements to negotiate a reasonable conclusion so that the parties could move on for the best of both. Hence, mediation to end litigation and to relieve stress is often the selected road towards negotiation. Consider this deal was negotiated between the bank and the council with the mayor mediating. They just did not ask your opinion.  

This is Queen Kathy and King Kaiser's turd. The Council didn't negotiate ****. As a matter of fact, the machiavellian maneuvering Da Mare engaged in left the Council no other options but to do her bidding against their will. Why don't you get your facts straight before you mouth off with these insults to our intelligence. Either you are just clueless or an outright liar.

Someone's off their meds or suffering from a brain disorder or both.

I guess I struck a nerve. Sucks to be exposed as the bull****ter you are, doesn't it? Go ahead, lash out if it makes you feel better about your sorry donkey self. I know the truth hurts, honey. Especially when someone lives in a perpetual state of dysfunction and denial like yourself.

[Gold]

quote:Originally posted by Chris Medlock

quote:Originally posted by Rico

quote:Originally posted by swake

The city of Tulsa might technically, legally be able to spend a couple of million dollars on lawyers to get out of this debt that the city council and mayor (a previous version) entered into with Bank of Oklahoma. Then again the city probably would not be able to win such a case and then would also probably be responsible for interest on the debt and maybe even the millions Bank of Oklahoma would spend on legal fees pressing the issue.  

I'm not a lawyer, but, the issue seems pretty simple, the city guaranteed a loan to a second party by putting up collateral that was not legal for them to use as collateral. That was the manner the city used to securitize the loan, it does not mean that suddenly the city doesn't "owe" Bank of Oklahoma on the default.

If the courts were to allow the debt to be removed based on this securitization error then shady borrowers all over the nation would start to attempt to use illegal collateral on loans and then upon "discovery" of the error clear the debt of the loan and walk away with the capital from the loan free and clear. That simply makes no sense and for any court to rule in favor of the city would potentially be very damaging to the U.S. banking system. This case is an easy loser for the city of Tulsa.

Even worse if the fact that pressing a lawsuit on this debt that the city certainly did incur (the only question is that city put up illegal collateral) might well, in fact probably would create an acrimonious relationship with one of Tulsa's largest headquarters company and the city's wealthiest citizen and greatest current philanthropist. A positive relationship with Bank of Oklahoma and George Kaiser has mean something in the range $100 million dollars in charitable donations to city needs in just the last couple of years. Would might a difficult and strained relationship yield? To try to save seven million dollars that the city does morally and more than likely legally owe? What if he stopped donating and moved all or part of his company? Would that have been worth the seven million?

A conservative should see that the city owes this money and should pay it. Simple, pay what you owe. Why is the "conservatives" now want to run to the courts just like kid with the stupid slip and fall in another thread?

Excellent.....*****^

Wonder if Medlock went to TU to work on an A.M. talk show..?

Wonder if he ever finished TU....?

Wonder exactly how he feels he is qualified to tell Tulsa what it should and should not be doing....

When he was on the Council he spent an overabundance of time on the "Great Plains" issue........no smoking gun.. whole lot of fizz and no pop...

When he was touting himself as an alternative to "Bill" he had not finished TU..(clerical error) for sure..

That is before he and Bates were offered $$$ to work for LaFortuna... Then "Bill was the man.


[]

Congratulations...you have attained full idiot status.

Neal, Baker, Sullivan, Martinson and Christiansen denied us the money we needed to get the paper records.

I was never offered a position in the LaFortune administration, let alone money.

Not a clerical error, my error to not go back and check if the clerk had changed the grade. I took responsibility from day one.

I have the same authority to comment on events as Ken Neal or David Averill. That is to say that a professional media corporation is willing to pay me to do so.

As for you, your a petty dilettante who lacks class.

I can see you have no interest in continuing your political career, based on how you handle yourself on here.  I think I speak for many around town when I say:

THANK YOU, SIR!!!!!

[Chicken Little]

quote:Originally posted by twizzler

TULSA INDUSTRIAL AUTHORITY (City)
Five-year staggered terms; meets bi-monthly at Metropolitan Tulsa
Chamber of Commerce. Purpose: To stimulate economic growth and
development of Tulsa by acting as a vehicle for tax-exempt financing.
Term Expires
John Goodwin, Chair 3-7-10
Jeff Stava 3-7-08
John Favell 3-7-08
Joan P. Parkhurst 3-7-10
John McGrath 3-7-08
James 'Jim' D. Dunn 3-7-08
Scott Dickman 3-7-08
Mayor, ex officio

So many "J" names...significant?  What do you think, Wrinkle?  [/sarcasm off]

[RecycleMichael]

They have no Jack, no Joe, no Jesus.

How can we trust them?

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by twizzler

TULSA INDUSTRIAL AUTHORITY (City)
Five-year staggered terms; meets bi-monthly at Metropolitan Tulsa
Chamber of Commerce. Purpose: To stimulate economic growth and
development of Tulsa by acting as a vehicle for tax-exempt financing.
Term Expires
John Goodwin, Chair 3-7-10
Jeff Stava 3-7-08
John Favell 3-7-08
Joan P. Parkhurst 3-7-10
John McGrath 3-7-08
James 'Jim' D. Dunn 3-7-08
Scott Dickman 3-7-08
Mayor, ex officio

So many "J" names...significant?  What do you think, Wrinkle?  [/sarcasm off]

Are these real names?

Good-wind?
Dick-Man?
Stavka (Soviet Military High Command)
Gym Done?
Park-hearse?
McGraft?

Oh, and FIVE of their terms expired back in March.

Oooops!

[Wrinkle]

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by twizzler

TULSA INDUSTRIAL AUTHORITY (City)
Five-year staggered terms; meets bi-monthly at Metropolitan Tulsa
Chamber of Commerce. Purpose: To stimulate economic growth and
development of Tulsa by acting as a vehicle for tax-exempt financing.
Term Expires
John Goodwin, Chair 3-7-10
Jeff Stava 3-7-08
John Favell 3-7-08
Joan P. Parkhurst 3-7-10
John McGrath 3-7-08
James 'Jim' D. Dunn 3-7-08
Scott Dickman 3-7-08
Mayor, ex officio

So many "J" names...significant?  What do you think, Wrinkle?  [/sarcasm off]

What, no Jesus?

Actually, I'm more concerned an organization like this is operating with 5 of the 8 Trustees on expired terms.

Remember, less than three more months and the Council gets to replace these. But, suspect there to be an intentional hold up here. Ya know, sucker punch when exiting the building. But, most likely, she'll reappoint them all anyway, like she did for others.

Something else is wrong. When the Authority was initiated, each of the 8 Trustees had saggered terms, seperated by one year. So, it would take an 8-year period for all Trustees to be replaced. Apparently, that all changed when we went to a new Charter, perhaps. Don't know for sure.

If they're now still on staggered terms and appointed for 5-year terms, how is it 5 expire on the same date, with the remaining two also together, only two years later? I can imagine one or two might have operated on expired terms for longer than a year prior to the new resolution requiring such appointments to be made within six months of expiration. But, FIVE all together?! Seems maybe two per year should expire, thus requiring four years for complete turnover. But, actually, all probably should be at the discretion of the Mayor each year, for best results.

Gives a good opportunity for wholesale change here which, as usual for now, far outlasts the current Mayor's term.

Since the Chamber has veto power, it probably doesn't really matter much. It's their deal, not the City's due to that fact.

But, it also means the City isn't liable for what they do, as in GPA.

[tim huntzinger]

quote:Originally posted by Gold



I can see you have no interest in continuing your political career, based on how you handle yourself on here.  I think I speak for many around town when I say:

THANK YOU, SIR!!!!!

I am glad his Medlockness has rejoined the fray, knowing the level of grief he would attract must not have been easy.  He must have had quite the following when the Pres of the Chamber called him a Nazi, huh? Or when a group of anonymous mensches wasted our time with a recall.  JUST NOW though he has stepped over the edge? HA!

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Chris Medlock

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

Why do you think this deal unfolded in negotiations? Keeping the lawyers at bay made the deal close. Besides, the city got legal services for free from Kathy Taylor as with her wages.

Fighting the city on legal issues is like pissin' in the wind.

Hmmm...if Kathy Taylor continues to not draw her salary for the next 69 years, the city should just about break even for her borderline malfeasance.

She's not drawing her salary because she's a Florida resident (No state income tax in Florida; VERY important for millionaires).

[Wrinkle]

quote:Originally posted by twizzler

TULSA INDUSTRIAL AUTHORITY (City)
Five-year staggered terms; meets bi-monthly at Metropolitan Tulsa
Chamber of Commerce. Purpose: To stimulate economic growth and
development of Tulsa by acting as a vehicle for tax-exempt financing.
Term Expires
John Goodwin, Chair 3-7-10
Jeff Stava 3-7-08
John Favell 3-7-08
Joan P. Parkhurst 3-7-10
John McGrath 3-7-08
James 'Jim' D. Dunn 3-7-08
Scott Dickman 3-7-08
Mayor, ex officio

...forgot.....ding, ding, ding, ding, we have a winner!

Bonus: Kiss of Death from Randi Miller.

(Assuming, of course, these are accurate, which I do assume).