Mayor Taylor To Give BOK $7 Mil for Great Plains

[Conan71]

FOTD, no one disputes how much better this city looks and feels due to the generosity of Mr. Kaiser.  BOK and Kaiser are benevolent to a point, but I'm still miffed about the conditional philanthropy offered with the river and sensing defeat, offering north Tulsa a park if only they would support it.  The initiative failed and Kaiser pulled the gift from North Tulsa along with the big $100mm "one time" gift.  I suspect that money will continue to flow into Tulsa from his foundation for many years to come whether or not BOK is paid the $7mm.

If it is true that BOK did not perfect a lein on the property, that's their fault and no one owes them a thing.  If BOK negleted to file a lein on your house or commercial property, they would be screwed.  It's their fault.

If, however, it was because Dick Stupidity issued an opinion that it was okay to mortgage property at AFP-1 without fully following through with the FAA and BOK filed a proper lein, that falls into errors and omissions and should fall to his insurer.

George Kaiser as a person and through his foundation makes lots of donations to Tulsa, so does BOK.  That in itself does not justify a quick and quiet re-payment to BOK.  Were it not for open meeting laws, I think this would have been buried deeper than the swindle on the TTE plant.  This Great Plains deal was business, not personal, you are making it sound like a personal obligation to pay back Mr. Kaiser.

[tim huntzinger]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

FOTD . . . you are making it sound like a personal obligation to pay back Mr. Kaiser.

+1.

[Double A]

Anybody else livid about the immunity deal for Studeneny. The reason he got it and the Mayor was hell bent on settling this out of court is that he knows where all the skeletons are buried in this deal, so nobody wants him talking under oath. He could take many of the elites in Tulsa down with him and embarrass the hell out of many others. That's what this is really about. That is why the Mayor rushed this through without even so much as discovery, which is the hight of hypocrisy considering that the Mayor forced out City Attorneys for not appealing a judgment against the city that was awarded after the case actually went to court, opting not to contest the judgment. Remember her harsh criticism of the handling of that settlement in that case. Why the double standard here?

It is an insult to the intelligence of Tulsans for Kathy Taylor to think that she could get away with this and somehow try to pass the buck, pass the blame, use her executive authority to tie the Kouncil's hands on the issue, and then try to pass this off as an action of the Kouncil. After Da Mare conceived this with a little help from daddy Kaiser, she gave birth to this brainchild. She is the mother of this little monster, it's her baby and no one else is  responsible or to blame. She needs to take responsibility for the child she so enthusiastically conceived and carried to term, yet no longer wants to claim.

 I was ready to support the street tax despite my disgust with Da Mares pandering to spoiled South Tulsa special interests and despite my indigestion over excessive utility rate increases. That was until I was told by this administration that I have a moral obligation to support this immoral BOK settlement. I now have a moral obligation to oppose the street package and the downtown ballpark. After listening to the poignant public comments made by Michelle Walker last night, how else could I sleep at night?

[Chicken Little]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

Anybody else livid...

No.  Read the information again and stop listening to the penny pundits.

[cannon_fodder]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

You didn't actually expect a re-THUG-lican to have any honor or ethics did you? And a reich-wingnut at that? CF, you're easy to figure out. You are an obstructionalist. You are the type who likes 5 year divorces because they pay good fees for the inability to mediate.

Move on if you are going to avoid answering my questions.

You sir, are being a jackass.  I go out of my way to answer even your most obnoxious questions in a meaningful way more often than not.  In spite of your constant changes of subject, belittling nicknames for everything you dislike, and total refusal to reciprocate that courtesy for anyone else.

I don't believe you have posted a responsive reply to anyone else in the last week... yet you accuse ME of avoiding questions?  I gave you a very responsive answer, and true to form, instead of replying to it you change the subject.  It's like talking to my 8 year old "What's 4 x 5?"  "That's easy!  It's... hey dad, what are we doing this weekend."  

You are either entirely ignorant of what constitutes discussion or you are going out of your way to change the subject, avoid questions, and otherwise attempt to flee from worthwhile discussions of topics.  Either way, your contributions are far from meaningful or helpful.  

Go ahead and whine about a "personal attack,"  but telling someone who is acting like a fool that they are doing so is simply stating the truth.  I doubt many would disagree with me.  Whether they agree with my statements or not, I at least try to discuss topics in a sincere manner.

[tim huntzinger]

Taylor sez on KTUL: '"It impacts the credit rating of the airport and their ability to expand," the mayor said. "We've got business out there -- Spirit, American, Nordan, Lufthansa -- who are willing and ready to add additional space. We need to move on with that and not continue to spend legal fees on a risky battle."

That sounds reasonable.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by Double A

Anybody else livid...

No.  Read the information again and stop listening to the penny pundits.

Read it and read between the lines. Who should I be listening to, the Whirled? Drink more Kool-Aid like a good comatose cheerleader, huh? Join the sweet sedation of your stepford society, maybe? Do I get a complimentary membership to the country club, too? Thanks, but no thanks. I'd rather remain an honest naysayer and keep my self respect than become a dishonest cheerleader with all the ill-gotten perks that go along with it.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

You didn't actually expect a re-THUG-lican to have any honor or ethics did you? And a reich-wingnut at that? CF, you're easy to figure out. You are an obstructionalist. You are the type who likes 5 year divorces because they pay good fees for the inability to mediate.

Move on if you are going to avoid answering my questions.

You sir, are being a jackass.  I go out of my way to answer even your most obnoxious questions in a meaningful way more often than not.  In spite of your constant changes of subject, belittling nicknames for everything you dislike, and total refusal to reciprocate that courtesy for anyone else.

I don't believe you have posted a responsive reply to anyone else in the last week... yet you accuse ME of avoiding questions?  I gave you a very responsive answer, and true to form, instead of replying to it you change the subject.  It's like talking to my 8 year old "What's 4 x 5?"  "That's easy!  It's... hey dad, what are we doing this weekend."  

You are either entirely ignorant of what constitutes discussion or you are going out of your way to change the subject, avoid questions, and otherwise attempt to flee from worthwhile discussions of topics.  Either way, your contributions are far from meaningful or helpful.  

Go ahead and whine about a "personal attack,"  but telling someone who is acting like a fool that they are doing so is simply stating the truth.  I doubt many would disagree with me.  Whether they agree with my statements or not, I at least try to discuss topics in a sincere manner.

C'mon, give little Joey a break. He just wants government to be run by the golden rule- those who have the gold, make the rules.

[Wrinkle]

quote:Originally posted by MichaelBates

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder


Inteller,

When I have time I'll see if I can find a starting point for you in Oklahoma law.   Qui Tam as you refer to it is a Federal Statute and I am ignorant of a State equivalent.  

See 62 O.S. 372 & 373

Ohhh, this is getting better. We do have local Qui Tam equivalents.

And, appears the rewards are even better, up to three times the amount. Pro Bono is a write-off, unless you're handed $21.3 million in the process.

THAT, I wouldn't mind paying, but Ms. Kitty is good for it anyway.

Why do I have this feeling her lack of taking her salary will come into play here?

Did they ever force feed the $1 contract to her?

[Wrinkle]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

Anybody else livid about the immunity deal for Studeneny. The reason he got it and the Mayor was hell bent on settling this out of court is that he knows where all the skeletons are buried in this deal, so nobody wants him talking under oath. He could take many of the elites in Tulsa down with him and embarrass the hell out of many others. That's what this is really about. That is why the Mayor rushed this through without even so much as discovery, which is the hight of hypocrisy considering that the Mayor forced out City Attorneys for not appealing a judgment against the city that was awarded after the case actually went to court, opting not to contest the judgment. Remember her harsh criticism of the handling of that settlement in that case. Why the double standard here?

It is an insult to the intelligence of Tulsans for Kathy Taylor to think that she could get away with this and somehow try to pass the buck, pass the blame, use her executive authority to tie the Kouncil's hands on the issue, and then try to pass this off as an action of the Kouncil. After Da Mare conceived this with a little help from daddy Kaiser, she gave birth to this brainchild. She is the mother of this little monster, it's her baby and no one else is  responsible or to blame. She needs to take responsibility for the child she so enthusiastically conceived and carried to term, yet no longer wants to claim.

 I was ready to support the street tax despite my disgust with Da Mares pandering to spoiled South Tulsa special interests and despite my indigestion over excessive utility rate increases. That was until I was told by this administration that I have a moral obligation to support this immoral BOK settlement. I now have a moral obligation to oppose the street package and the downtown ballpark. After listening to the poignant public comments made by Michelle Walker last night, how else could I sleep at night?

I'm not sure you got it right here. What I heard on the tape of that meeting was TAA/TAIT were retaining their leverage on Mr. Studenny so he couldn't talk, not relieving him. Same effect, however. Shut him up. An immunity would allow him to speak, which is what they don't want.

Boy, talk about a can of worms freshly opened.

[Chicken Little]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

Read it and read between the lines.

Why?  What if between the lines there is nothing but empty whitespace? You ever live in a city with a bad bond rating? I have.  You think Tulsa depresses you now, just wait until there are no options for you to poo-poo.

quote:
Who should I be listening to, the Whirled? Drink more Kool-Aid like a good comatose cheerleader, huh? Join the sweet sedation of your stepford society, maybe? Do I get a complimentary membership to the country club, too? Thanks, but no thanks. I'd rather remain an honest naysayer and keep my self respect than become a dishonest cheerleader with all the ill-gotten perks that go along with it.

Don't get nasty with me...oh, I thought I was talking with somebody else for a second. []

[Wrinkle]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

Taylor sez on KTUL: '"It impacts the credit rating of the airport and their ability to expand," the mayor said. "We've got business out there -- Spirit, American, Nordan, Lufthansa -- who are willing and ready to add additional space. We need to move on with that and not continue to spend legal fees on a risky battle."

That sounds reasonable.

Personally, I would've let TAA/TAIT go bankrupt and rebuild from the ground up, after first relieving all of their positions.

These people shouldn't be handling any money, especially ours.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

quote:Originally posted by MichaelBates

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder


Inteller,

When I have time I'll see if I can find a starting point for you in Oklahoma law.   Qui Tam as you refer to it is a Federal Statute and I am ignorant of a State equivalent.  

See 62 O.S. 372 & 373

Ohhh, this is getting better. We do have local Qui Tam equivalents.

And, appears the rewards are even better, up to three times the amount. Pro Bono is a write-off, unless you're handed $21.3 million in the process.

THAT, I wouldn't mind paying, but Ms. Kitty is good for it anyway.

Why do I have this feeling her lack of taking her salary will come into play here?

Did they ever force feed the $1 contract to her?

She's not taking her Mayoral salary for one, simple reason:

She is a resident of FLORIDA.

Florida has NO state income taxes.  Her husband Mr. Moneybags Lobeck likes living in a state with NO income taxes.  

They file a joint return.

Drawing a salary as Mayor of Tulsa means she is a resident of OKLAHOMA.

Hence, no salary, no residency issue (for tax purposes).

However, all of her official acts in office are probably null & void since she is not an Oklahoma resident.

Like her "settlement" with the bank.

[]

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by Double A

Read it and read between the lines.

Why?  What if between the lines there is nothing but empty whitespace? You ever live in a city with a bad bond rating? I have.  You think Tulsa depresses you now, just wait until there are no options for you to poo-poo.

quote:
Who should I be listening to, the Whirled? Drink more Kool-Aid like a good comatose cheerleader, huh? Join the sweet sedation of your stepford society, maybe? Do I get a complimentary membership to the country club, too? Thanks, but no thanks. I'd rather remain an honest naysayer and keep my self respect than become a dishonest cheerleader with all the ill-gotten perks that go along with it.

Don't get nasty with me...oh, I thought I was talking with somebody else for a second. []

Guess I struck a nerve. The truth isn't sickly sweet and sugary like the Koool-Aid you are strung out on. I'll admit the taste can be bitter for those with a long term dependency. Detoxification is not a enjoyable or particularly appetizing experience, sorry if it is a shock to your sedated system.

[Chicken Little]

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

Personally, I would've let TAA/TAIT go bankrupt and rebuild from the ground up, after first relieving all of their positions.

These people shouldn't be handling any money, especially ours.

They're just an Authority; they were acting on a political decision by the City at that time.  If the City loses the Authority, then they can't act on anything.  Or was that just hyperbole?