Why do we need a new baseball stadium?

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by AVERAGE JOE

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by Gold

Meeeooow.

It's hard to say which is more entertaining, Gold's "Bizarro FB" schtick or Friendly Bear pretending to be peeved about a thread gone haywire, "Then, about Page 3, it degenerated..."

FB has standards?  Who knew?

You forgot to mention Double A puffing up on page 3 like he was going to start something. This thread started on the topic of baseball and ended up a circus.

Nope, just finish it.

You're just pissed that none of your rambling changes the fact that we do not NEED a new ballpark.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

Uh, Friendly Bear was actually quoted at length  a week ago on www.batesline.com

Yeah, kudos.  For local internet paranoids, that's like playing Carnegie Hall.

Bates has a degree in computer science from M.I.T.

He spent most of his professional career designing software for aircraft flight simulators, but he has a very wide range of interests, many of which I don't share, so it's mainly the political/public policy side of his website that I follow.

I think he has good judgment, keen intuition about the local body politic, and good analytical abilities.

With those abilities, he would make an excellent addition to one of our city's many board, commissions, or authorities, like TMUA, TAIT, TDA, TIA, TARE, etc.

The local power establishment also hates his guts, of course, so that's about as likely to happen as an August snowfall in Florida.


[}:)]

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by AVERAGE JOE

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by Gold

Meeeooow.

It's hard to say which is more entertaining, Gold's "Bizarro FB" schtick or Friendly Bear pretending to be peeved about a thread gone haywire, "Then, about Page 3, it degenerated..."

FB has standards?  Who knew?

You forgot to mention Double A puffing up on page 3 like he was going to start something. This thread started on the topic of baseball and ended up a circus.

Let's hope that if a new stadium is actually built, that a long-term contract is put in place to ensure that the team stays around to help pay for the edifice.

That's what Seattle did with the Sonics.  They had a long-term contract.  And, the owners had to pay, lots to move the team of OKC.

This afternoon, the Sonics agreed to pay the City of Seattle $75 million to break the lease.

"The settlement reached between the city and the Sonics could require the team to pay the city up to $75 million to break its lease at Key Arena and move to Oklahoma City, according to the agreement reached today.

Clay Pigeon Bennett and other owners (oil moneybags Aubrey McClendon, etc.) agreed to pay Seattle $45 million now to break its lease.

Under the agreement, the team will pay another $30 million to Seattle if the Washington Legislature by the end of 2009 approves funding for a new building for a NBA team or for renovation of the Key Arena but Seattle fails to get a team in five years."

See the Daily Oklahoman's link below:

http://newsok.com/article/3265111/

[Gold]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by AVERAGE JOE

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by Gold

Meeeooow.

It's hard to say which is more entertaining, Gold's "Bizarro FB" schtick or Friendly Bear pretending to be peeved about a thread gone haywire, "Then, about Page 3, it degenerated..."

FB has standards?  Who knew?

You forgot to mention Double A puffing up on page 3 like he was going to start something. This thread started on the topic of baseball and ended up a circus.

Let's hope that if a new stadium is actually built, that a long-term contract is put in place to ensure that the team stays around to help pay for the edifice.

That's what Seattle did with the Sonics.  They had a long-term contract.  And, the owners had to pay, lots to move the team of OKC.

This afternoon, the Sonics agreed to pay the City of Seattle $75 million to break the lease.

"The settlement reached between the city and the Sonics could require the team to pay the city up to $75 million to break its lease at Key Arena and move to Oklahoma City, according to the agreement reached today.

Clay Pigeon Bennett and other owners (oil moneybags Aubrey McClendon, etc.) agreed to pay Seattle $45 million now to break its lease.

Under the agreement, the team will pay another $30 million to Seattle if the Washington Legislature by the end of 2009 approves funding for a new building for a NBA team or for renovation of the Key Arena but Seattle fails to get a team in five years."

See the Daily Oklahoman's link below:

http://newsok.com/article/3265111/

Minor league baseball and the NBA are apples and oranges.

Tulsa has one of the most established minor league traditions in the country.

The Drillers are considered a great franchise with the oldest stadium in their league.

Yeah, there is some comparison because both are sports franchises and both want(ed) a new play to play ball.

But look at the numbers.  Clay Bennett is likely paying more than cost of the new Drillers stadium just to break the lease

NBA tickets average about $50.

That's a lot of beer and hot dogs for a group of four ad a Drillers game (especially when they give out free tickets).

Stick to what you know:

Emoticons.

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[Gold]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

Uh, Friendly Bear was actually quoted at length  a week ago on www.batesline.com

Yeah, kudos.  For local internet paranoids, that's like playing Carnegie Hall.

Bates has a degree in computer science from M.I.T.

He spent most of his professional career designing software for aircraft flight simulators, but he has a very wide range of interests, many of which I don't share, so it's mainly the political/public policy side of his website that I follow.

I think he has good judgment, keen intuition about the local body politic, and good analytical abilities.

With those abilities, he would make an excellent addition to one of our city's many board, commissions, or authorities, like TMUA, TAIT, TDA, TIA, TARE, etc.

The local power establishment also hates his guts, of course, so that's about as likely to happen as an August snowfall in Florida.


[}:)]

I'm sure Bates is a bright guy.

I enjoy some of the history stuff on his site.

Anyone who likes western swing can't be that bad.

But c'mon . . . if he gets your endorsement, that probably hurts.

That's like Paul Tay getting an endorsement from Bikerfox.

[)]

[AVERAGE JOE]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by AVERAGE JOE

You forgot to mention Double A puffing up on page 3 like he was going to start something. This thread started on the topic of baseball and ended up a circus.

Nope, just finish it.

You're just pissed that none of your rambling changes the fact that we do not NEED a new ballpark.

I'm not pissed about anything, my friend. To the contrary, I'm amused.

We need a new stadium if we want to keep the Drillers in Tulsa. That is a fact. Keeping the Drillers in Tulsa instead of letting them move to the suburbs is important. That is my opinion. Building a new stadium downtown is an economic development opportunity worth pursuing. That is also my opinion.

Feel free to disagree with my opinions, but the issue of whether we need a new stadium is moot. The tenant of the stadium finds it inadequate and will move to a new stadium one way or another. The question is whether we should come up with a solution to keep them in Tulsa or allow them to move to Jenks (or even a different metro area).

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by AVERAGE JOE

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by AVERAGE JOE

You forgot to mention Double A puffing up on page 3 like he was going to start something. This thread started on the topic of baseball and ended up a circus.

Nope, just finish it.

You're just pissed that none of your rambling changes the fact that we do not NEED a new ballpark.

I'm not pissed about anything, my friend. To the contrary, I'm amused.

We need a new stadium if we want to keep the Drillers in Tulsa. That is a fact. Keeping the Drillers in Tulsa instead of letting them move to the suburbs is important. That is my opinion. Building a new stadium downtown is an economic development opportunity worth pursuing. That is also my opinion.

Feel free to disagree with my opinions, but the issue of whether we need a new stadium is moot. The tenant of the stadium finds it inadequate and will move to a new stadium one way or another. The question is whether we should come up with a solution to keep them in Tulsa or allow them to move to Jenks (or even a different metro area).

You want it, the drillers want it, but there is no need for it. Just be honest about it. There is no need for a new stadium, period.

[Hometown]

Anyone given any thought to how this will impact the Greenwood neighborhood?  I think we need to leverage the public's desire for a new stadium to somehow maintain and honor Greenwood.

There was some mention of this in a TulsaWorld article, but I would like to see it made central to the project.

I would like to see the stadium carry the Greenwood Name and an area of the stadium designated to display Greenwoood historical items.  We might tie some Greenwood neighborhood improvements (other than a hotel) to the stadium package.

If we aren't careful the stadium may swamp and diminish the neighborhood.

[Conan71]

The horse was out of the barn a long time ago on this one.  Now he's died and everyone keeps beating the poor thing

[Gold]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

Anyone given any thought to how this will impact the Greenwood neighborhood?  I think we need to leverage the public's desire for a new stadium to somehow maintain and honor Greenwood.

There was some mention of this in a TulsaWorld article, but I would like to see it made central to the project.

I would like to see the stadium carry the Greenwood Name and an area of the stadium designated to display Greenwoood historical items.  We might tie some Greenwood neighborhood improvements (other than a hotel) to the stadium package.

If we aren't careful the stadium may swamp and diminish the neighborhood.

What's left of Greenwood is just a facade.  It could very well engender some goodwill, but I feel like it's all pretty hollow.  I'm happy to see it, but this shouldn't be seen as a panacea for North Tulsa or whatever relic that's left constituting "Greenwood."

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

Anyone given any thought to how this will impact the Greenwood neighborhood?  I think we need to leverage the public's desire for a new stadium to somehow maintain and honor Greenwood.

There was some mention of this in a TulsaWorld article, but I would like to see it made central to the project.

I would like to see the stadium carry the Greenwood Name and an area of the stadium designated to display Greenwoood historical items.  We might tie some Greenwood neighborhood improvements (other than a hotel) to the stadium package.

If we aren't careful the stadium may swamp and diminish the neighborhood.

What's left of Greenwood is just a facade.  It could very well engender some goodwill, but I feel like it's all pretty hollow.  I'm happy to see it, but this shouldn't be seen as a panacea for North Tulsa or whatever relic that's left constituting "Greenwood."

Yep, it's purely symbolic and lacks real substance.

[rwarn17588]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

Anyone given any thought to how this will impact the Greenwood neighborhood?  I think we need to leverage the public's desire for a new stadium to somehow maintain and honor Greenwood.

There was some mention of this in a TulsaWorld article, but I would like to see it made central to the project.

I would like to see the stadium carry the Greenwood Name and an area of the stadium designated to display Greenwoood historical items.  We might tie some Greenwood neighborhood improvements (other than a hotel) to the stadium package.

If we aren't careful the stadium may swamp and diminish the neighborhood.

Well, Jack Henderson loves this proposal. Just sayin'.

[AVERAGE JOE]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by AVERAGE JOE

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by AVERAGE JOE

You forgot to mention Double A puffing up on page 3 like he was going to start something. This thread started on the topic of baseball and ended up a circus.

Nope, just finish it.

You're just pissed that none of your rambling changes the fact that we do not NEED a new ballpark.

I'm not pissed about anything, my friend. To the contrary, I'm amused.

We need a new stadium if we want to keep the Drillers in Tulsa. That is a fact. Keeping the Drillers in Tulsa instead of letting them move to the suburbs is important. That is my opinion. Building a new stadium downtown is an economic development opportunity worth pursuing. That is also my opinion.

Feel free to disagree with my opinions, but the issue of whether we need a new stadium is moot. The tenant of the stadium finds it inadequate and will move to a new stadium one way or another. The question is whether we should come up with a solution to keep them in Tulsa or allow them to move to Jenks (or even a different metro area).

You want it, the drillers want it, but there is no need for it. Just be honest about it. There is no need for a new stadium, period.

I am being perfectly honest. We need a new stadium if we want to keep the Drillers in Tulsa. They will move out of Tulsa otherwise. That is a fact.

If you feel we don't need a new stadium, then you must feel that the Drillers are expendable. I don't share that opinion.

[Gold]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

Anyone given any thought to how this will impact the Greenwood neighborhood?  I think we need to leverage the public's desire for a new stadium to somehow maintain and honor Greenwood.

There was some mention of this in a TulsaWorld article, but I would like to see it made central to the project.

I would like to see the stadium carry the Greenwood Name and an area of the stadium designated to display Greenwoood historical items.  We might tie some Greenwood neighborhood improvements (other than a hotel) to the stadium package.

If we aren't careful the stadium may swamp and diminish the neighborhood.

Well, Jack Henderson loves this proposal. Just sayin'.

True.  I don't know about you, but I don't give a rat's patootie what Jack Henderson thinks.  

Actually, that's a waste of a rat's patootie . . .

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

Passing on sleazy rumors is bad enough couldn't you at least get the story straight? You're sounding more and more like a mysogynist creep every day.

I liked Mayor Savage, though I have to admit part of it was her easy to look at countenance. I have since changed my mind. She was not a good administrator and like most executive screw ups got booted upstairs into a cush job. A real life "oily" totally removed from average voters. Her personal life was immaterial.

I'm so hurt.

Here's the Ying of Mr. Hall's Yang:

Ms. Hall was allegedly involved with a certain public official known privately as Mr. Hard, although Mr. Hall was unawares.

[:O]