Why do we need a new baseball stadium?

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by TURobY

quote:Originally posted by Gold


You know what else is buried in the back pages of the World?  

The weather.

It's all a conspiracy with the Plutocrats and Oral Roberts, who controls the weather.

And the World.

And F&M Bank.

And the Tulsa Talons.

And Ron's.

And QT.

All who advertise in the Tulsa World.

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... woah, man. You are really trippin' me out here. []

You should see my impression of the TW comments section:

Bob: No arena tax!!!
Sally: We already have an arena tax.
Bob: AHHH!!!!!
Joe Allen Doty: Blah blah Blah


Here is my impression of Chris Medlock:

"Idiot!!!!!"

Partial credit awarded:

The Lorton's World and the F&M Bank are related....

The Lorton's are reportedly a principal shareholder of the bank.

The battle over their branch at 71st and Harvard didn't win them any new newspaper subscriptions or new bank accounts from the proximal neighhood associations, principally Guier Woods.

And they all advertise in the Tulsa World.

A paper FB complains about.

Yet reads.

In a town he hates.

But won't leave.

He pays taxes, reads the paper, and therefore supports the plutocracy.

FB is part of the conspiracy.

Shhhhhh . . .

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Those that haven't been drinking the TulsaMetroChamberPots Kool-Aid read the Lorton's World not for what IS printed, but rather for what's left UNSAID in their public policy coverage.

[?]

[Gold]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

Passing on sleazy rumors is bad enough couldn't you at least get the story straight? You're sounding more and more like a mysogynist creep every day.

I liked Mayor Savage, though I have to admit part of it was her easy to look at countenance. I have since changed my mind. She was not a good administrator and like most executive screw ups got booted upstairs into a cush job. A real life "oily" totally removed from average voters. Her personal life was immaterial.

I'm so hurt.

Here's the Ying of Mr. Hall's Yang:

Ms. Hall was allegedly involved with a certain public official known privately as Mr. Hard, although Mr. Hall was unawares.

[:O]

Stay classy, FB.

Was that an emoticon of you thinking of Mr. Hard?

[Gold]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by TURobY

quote:Originally posted by Gold


You know what else is buried in the back pages of the World?  

The weather.

It's all a conspiracy with the Plutocrats and Oral Roberts, who controls the weather.

And the World.

And F&M Bank.

And the Tulsa Talons.

And Ron's.

And QT.

All who advertise in the Tulsa World.

[:O]

... woah, man. You are really trippin' me out here. []

You should see my impression of the TW comments section:

Bob: No arena tax!!!
Sally: We already have an arena tax.
Bob: AHHH!!!!!
Joe Allen Doty: Blah blah Blah


Here is my impression of Chris Medlock:

"Idiot!!!!!"

Partial credit awarded:

The Lorton's World and the F&M Bank are related....

The Lorton's are reportedly a principal shareholder of the bank.

The battle over their branch at 71st and Harvard didn't win them any new newspaper subscriptions or new bank accounts from the proximal neighhood associations, principally Guier Woods.

And they all advertise in the Tulsa World.

A paper FB complains about.

Yet reads.

In a town he hates.

But won't leave.

He pays taxes, reads the paper, and therefore supports the plutocracy.

FB is part of the conspiracy.

Shhhhhh . . .

[:O]

Those that haven't been drinking the TulsaMetroChamberPots Kool-Aid read the Lorton's World not for what IS printed, but rather for what's left UNSAID in their public policy coverage.

[?]

I figured you read it for the horoscopes and Jason Ashley Wright.

If it's so bad, don't read it.

I think Fox News is an awful news source.  Therefore, I don't ever watch it.  It can't offend me then.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by AVERAGE JOE

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by AVERAGE JOE

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by AVERAGE JOE

You forgot to mention Double A puffing up on page 3 like he was going to start something. This thread started on the topic of baseball and ended up a circus.

Nope, just finish it.

You're just pissed that none of your rambling changes the fact that we do not NEED a new ballpark.

I'm not pissed about anything, my friend. To the contrary, I'm amused.

We need a new stadium if we want to keep the Drillers in Tulsa. That is a fact. Keeping the Drillers in Tulsa instead of letting them move to the suburbs is important. That is my opinion. Building a new stadium downtown is an economic development opportunity worth pursuing. That is also my opinion.

Feel free to disagree with my opinions, but the issue of whether we need a new stadium is moot. The tenant of the stadium finds it inadequate and will move to a new stadium one way or another. The question is whether we should come up with a solution to keep them in Tulsa or allow them to move to Jenks (or even a different metro area).

You want it, the drillers want it, but there is no need for it. Just be honest about it. There is no need for a new stadium, period.

I am being perfectly honest. We need a new stadium if we want to keep the Drillers in Tulsa. They will move out of Tulsa otherwise. That is a fact.

If you feel we don't need a new stadium, then you must feel that the Drillers are expendable. I don't share that opinion.

You want a new stadium, because you want to keep the Drillers in Tulsa, not because we need one. Now, get back to work, since the taxpayers are paying your salary.

[waterboy]

FINIS

[we vs us]

rofl @ Waterboy.  That's what I've been saying since page 4!

[RecycleMichael]

Dear doubleA:

When you don't know what you are talking about, it is hard to know when to quit.

That time is now.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

Dear doubleA:

When you don't know what you are talking about, it is hard to know when to quit.

That time is now.

Maybe when you shysters drop the B.S. and stop trying to con the public with lies about needing a new stadium.

[AVERAGE JOE]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

Dear doubleA:

When you don't know what you are talking about, it is hard to know when to quit.

That time is now.

Maybe when you shysters drop the B.S. and stop trying to con the public with lies about needing a new stadium.

I missed your little parting shot because I was on vacation last week.

Bottom line: I am expressing my opinion here, same as you. I've also advertised it as such. You even summed up my opinion -- I believe keeping the Drillers in Tulsa (instead of the burbs) is important, and since I want to keep them here, I am in favor of a new stadium. Since you have a different opinion, let's agree to disagree like adults.

I do have a question for you -- exactly how do you feel the public is being "conned" in this matter? The public is not being asked to foot the bill for the stadium, just a finite number of downtown property owners.

[TheArtist]

We dont "need" a new baseball stadium. But it will certainly be better for Tulsa if we do get a new stadium downtown.

[USRufnex]

quote:Originally posted by Double A


Nope, just finish it.

You're just pissed that none of your rambling changes the fact that we do not NEED a new ballpark.

Does Dallas NEED the Dallas Cowboys?

Do we NEED the Oklahoma Sooners?

Does New York City NEED the New York Philharmonic or the Metropolitan Opera?  Or the Yankees?  Or the Giants?

Does Milwaukee truly NEED the Brewers or the Bucks?

Does Durham, North Carolina NEED the Bulls?

You know, if Tulsa only gets what Double A thinks Tulsa "needs," this city would truly suck...  [)]

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by USRufnex

quote:Originally posted by Double A


Nope, just finish it.

You're just pissed that none of your rambling changes the fact that we do not NEED a new ballpark.

Does Dallas NEED the Dallas Cowboys?

Do we NEED the Oklahoma Sooners?

Does New York City NEED the New York Philharmonic or the Metropolitan Opera?  Or the Yankees?  Or the Giants?

Does Milwaukee truly NEED the Brewers or the Bucks?

Does Durham, North Carolina NEED the Bulls?

You know, if Tulsa only gets what Double A thinks Tulsa "needs," this city would truly suck...  [)]

Kind of mixing metaphors there, RufNex.

The OU Sooners are housed at a taxpayer, publically-supported 4-year university.

The NY Philharmonic is housed in a publically supported venue, but they are a For-Profit corporation.

Any agreement to build a new Drillers stadium needs to be tied to a synchronized long-term lease with the ball team owner.

And, I doubt Mr. Lamson would want to tie the team down to a 30-year lease.

Therefore, the financing scheme at 30-years, and the revenue stream from the team will probably be mismatched.

Worse case:  Lamson moves the Drillers AFTER his lease commitment is over, and we're left with an empty stadium.

Final note:  There is NOTHING wrong with the current Driller Stadium.

[Gold]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

Did we need the Performing Arts Center in downtown Tulsa? No.

But it has been a great use of public/private monies and has completely added to our quality of life.

Same as this ballpark will. It will be a completely wonderful place for families to gather, a cool place to hang out with your beer drinking buddies, and a cool place to talk business or gossip with your friends and clients, all at the same time.

I agree we don't need it in the strict definition of the word. For that matter we don't need churches either. But I want to live in a town that has a great Performing Arts Center, a cool ballpark and as many churches as we can handle.

It will definitely be COOL as a open-air stadium from about November through February here in frigid winter clime N.E. Oklahoma.  

Bring a blanket with your heavy coat.

It will be used approximately 66 times per year for Drillers home games during the temperate months.

If reconfigured, it can be used for a soccer game.  Probably excess seating for a soccer game.

It probably lacks the accoustics for enjoyable open-air concerts, but we already have a new $140 million arena (for $200 million)for those desirous of an Arena style concert.

We already have a perfectly adequate PAID FOR stadium.  

When it starts to fall down due to neglect of maintenance by our Tulsa County commissioners, they we can consider replacing it.  

That's how the County operates.  Defer maintenance until a building functionally obsolesces, or falls into ruin.

That's how the current Driller stadium was constructed; part of the Oilers stadium literally collapsed.


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Got to love the Friendly Bear.

When he doesn't know a fact, he makes it up.

[:O]

Baseball is not played in the winter.  In fact, many baseball stadiums sit empty the entire winter.

[:O]

Making an issue out of the baseball stadium only being used when its pleasant outside is like attacking Tuls for having public parks that are primarily used in warmer months or attacking folks who have a Christmas tree, but only bring it out for a month out of the year.

The new stadium would also hold other events, such as the annual Bedlam games always played in Tulsa.

Drillers Stadium is hardly known for its acoustics, but it has hosted shows by the likes of Willie Nelson, Bob Dylan, and Garth Brooks.

You remember Garth Brooks, right?  The guy who wouldn't play the BOK?  He's played at Drillers stadium.  Which doesn't have good acoustics.

Why?  Because he could fit the right sized group in and wanted to be outside.

Outside venues usually don't have great acoustics.  Why?  Because they are outside.

But why would you care about the acoustics?  You won't go to the show.  You don't know much about what you spout off about, anywho.

If a concert or game happens without Friendly Bear does it make a sound?  Yes.  They have for many years.  

There's a great big world out there passing you by, man.

[:O]

[Gold]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by USRufnex

quote:Originally posted by Double A


Nope, just finish it.

You're just pissed that none of your rambling changes the fact that we do not NEED a new ballpark.

Does Dallas NEED the Dallas Cowboys?

Do we NEED the Oklahoma Sooners?

Does New York City NEED the New York Philharmonic or the Metropolitan Opera?  Or the Yankees?  Or the Giants?

Does Milwaukee truly NEED the Brewers or the Bucks?

Does Durham, North Carolina NEED the Bulls?

You know, if Tulsa only gets what Double A thinks Tulsa "needs," this city would truly suck...  [)]

Final note:  There is NOTHING wrong with the current Driller Stadium.

On page 1 of this thread, you hint that something is wrong with the structure of Driller Stadium, referencing the same conditions that lead to the collapse of Oiler Park.  Stick to one story.

[:O]

[USRufnex]

Frankly, it's the folks like Friendly Bear who used to live in OKC who either died off or moved to Harrah or Yukon that made way for OKC's publicly funded renaissance... which included a downtown ballpark among many other perks...

You know FB, taxes are REALLY LOW in West Virginia... maybe that's where you belong..... hint, hint....

[)]

[edit: didn't mean to imply FB ever lived in OKC... it's just that the feelings of folks I know in OKC is that the rabid anti-any-tax naysayers in Okie City finally either died off or moved away... that's their story as to why MAPS finally took off the city started investing in itself-- moving a ballpark from the fairgrounds to downtown... sound familiar?]