Why do we need a new baseball stadium?

[sgrizzle]

Why is this the mental image I get of FB?

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

Why is this the mental image I get of FB?

How dare you malign a distinguished, decorated Vietnam War officer, who gave his legs for his county:

Lt. Dan.

You must be a Barack Hussein Obama supporter...

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear


How dare you malign a distinguished, decorated Vietnam War officer, who gave his legs for his county:

Lt. Dan.

You must be a Barack Hussein Obama supporter...

He gave his legs for his county?

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear


How dare you malign a distinguished, decorated Vietnam War officer, who gave his legs for his county:

Lt. Dan.

You must be a Barack Hussein Obama supporter...

He gave his legs for his county?

Most certainly.

Just like us.  We're giving an Arm AND a Leg in taxes to our local County Goobermint.

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[Gold]

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quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by booWorld

As far as I know, it's any landowner's right to do absolutely nothing with his or her holdings as long as the taxes are paid and minimum health codes / property standards are maintained.

Do you ever listen to yourself?  You are arguing that the city should REWARD do-nothings who buy up huge chunks of property for speculative purposes.  Wilson is hanging out doing nothing and hoping someone will build something nice around him.  Last I checked, that makes him part of the problem.

And FB, you should stop now with this "'hood" talk.  Greenwood is safe.  You've exposed your biases on other occasions and it's ugly.

Go for a stroll tonite after dark in the area of the proposed Ball Park.

Then, report back tomorrow if you're in one piece, and have retained your virtue.

The proposed ball park is in too close of proximity to a bad area.  

LOTS of the homeless shelter people and aid society patrons patronize the area.  

Also, it's not purely a racial issue, but gangs like to take over venues where a lot of people with wallets full of money patronize.  

And, it has an added benefit of being close to their base of operations:  The 'hood.

Everyone knows it.

But, I'm not drinking the MetroTulsaChamberPots Kool-Aid.

Are you?

The Drillers currently charge $6 for a General Admission ticket.

My prediction is if they build this unneeded stadium downtown will be a $10 per ticket minimum.

Just wait until Tulsans start seeing the BOK Arena Ticket Shock for upcoming events, following by the Drillers Downtown Stadium Ticket Shock.

Ouch!

Mrs. Kitty is such a High Maintenance Woman.

How much longer can we afford her?

Poor Mr. Lobeck.

Poor Tulsa.

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This is just silly.  There isn't much around the area of the proposed stadium.  I drove by on the way home from Cain's at about 12:30 AM Sunday morning.  No criminals, no gangs, nothing.  Businesses with lights off and OSU Tulsa -- that's it.

I go downtown every weekend and I've never seen a gang.  The worst thing to happen is someone asked me for change.  I told them no.  Once or twice, I saw what looked like a really bad off prostitute near that really sad block across from Deadtown.  Other than that, I've seen nothing down there, especially near "Greenwood."

The homeless shelter is a good half mile away.  I'm not happy with the shelter being down there, but that's a whole other discussion.

If gangs went wherever there was money, events like D-fest and Mayfest and all the Indian casinos wouldn't exist.  Poor logic yet again.

Uh-Uh.

I said WALK.

Driving isn't the same.

Try WALKING the same area about 11 p.m, after a theoretical downtown Drillers game could end, and you have to walk 4 lonely blocks to where you think you left your car.....

Are those footsteps behind you in the dark?


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That's not accurate and you know it.  The development plan calls for a lot of in-fill, including the area around the stadium that is empty.

Go north a block and you are at OSU Tulsa.  Go south and you are in the Blue Dome.  There are already plenty of people walking around the Blue Dome area and the Brady District to the west -- there are a few pandhandlers, but mostly it's a younger crowd eating and drinking at the new bars and going to concerts.  

I take it you don't get out much.  Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if you heard sounds in your head a lot.

Right.  

Of course, forgot that you're going to use your Star Trek Matter Transporter to move from area to area downtown at night.

Beam me to McNellie's, Scotty.

And, HURRY!

PLLUUUEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZE!!

BEAM ME UP, FAST!

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That doesn't even make sense.

I went to McNellie's last night and really paid attention to the distance.  You can see the area where the ballpark is going to go from the parking lot next to McNellie's.  It looks to be a similar walk that you would take from the parking lot at Drillers games.  

But, I guess you just muble some nonsense when you know you're wrong.

[cannon_fodder]

I will feed the bear in this regard:  the Brady District is a bit shady at night.  There are many transient (read: bums) that hang around.  The bars have a very mixed group of people.  It is close to several "clubs" that have issues from time to time and the area is close to some sketchy parts of town.  

I've felt uncomfortable walking to my car from Cain's before.  I've never had any problems in the area and don't hesitate to go back, but many people are turned off just by things that are different.  The Brady District itself is different and the people it attracts are of varying backgrounds, races, incomes etc.

HOWEVER, the presence of other people is a cure all for that.  If a Driller game gets out at 11pm on a Friday you will have the normal bar crowd plus 5,000 people.  So the feeling of being alone in the dark in a warehouse district won't exactly apply.  Add to that - the way to make the area more secure feeling is to develop it more.  Which is what's proposed.  Add some new structures, some better lighting (never understood why the area is so poorly lit between bars), and some more people and it's a non-issue.

Also, CONNECT the Brady with the Blue Dome.  Light the way, throw some signs in there.  Pretend like you want people to "go out" downtown.

ON a different note, I just realized this means I won't be able to see the Driller's fireworks from my house.  I am now against the move.  []

[rwarn17588]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

I will feed the bear in this regard:  the Brady District is a bit shady at night.  There are many transient (read: bums) that hang around.  The bars have a very mixed group of people.  It is close to several "clubs" that have issues from time to time and the area is close to some sketchy parts of town.  

I've felt uncomfortable walking to my car from Cain's before.  I've never had any problems in the area and don't hesitate to go back, but many people are turned off just by things that are different.  The Brady District itself is different and the people it attracts are of varying backgrounds, races, incomes etc.

HOWEVER, the presence of other people is a cure all for that.  If a Driller game gets out at 11pm on a Friday you will have the normal bar crowd plus 5,000 people.  So the feeling of being alone in the dark in a warehouse district won't exactly apply.  Add to that - the way to make the area more secure feeling is to develop it more.  Which is what's proposed.  Add some new structures, some better lighting (never understood why the area is so poorly lit between bars), and some more people and it's a non-issue.

Bingo.

I've been to major-league ballparks in neighborhoods that make the Brady area's so-called "seediness" look outright tame in comparison. Case in point -- the dirty, dark parking areas just south of the old Busch Stadium.

But I never felt unsafe. You know why? Because you've got thousands of people who are all there for the same thing. There is literally safety in numbers, and the same thing will happen with the new Drillers ballpark.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

I will feed the bear in this regard:  the Brady District is a bit shady at night.  There are many transient (read: bums) that hang around.  The bars have a very mixed group of people.  It is close to several "clubs" that have issues from time to time and the area is close to some sketchy parts of town.  

I've felt uncomfortable walking to my car from Cain's before.  I've never had any problems in the area and don't hesitate to go back, but many people are turned off just by things that are different.  The Brady District itself is different and the people it attracts are of varying backgrounds, races, incomes etc.

HOWEVER, the presence of other people is a cure all for that.  If a Driller game gets out at 11pm on a Friday you will have the normal bar crowd plus 5,000 people.  So the feeling of being alone in the dark in a warehouse district won't exactly apply.  Add to that - the way to make the area more secure feeling is to develop it more.  Which is what's proposed.  Add some new structures, some better lighting (never understood why the area is so poorly lit between bars), and some more people and it's a non-issue.

Also, CONNECT the Brady with the Blue Dome.  Light the way, throw some signs in there.  Pretend like you want people to "go out" downtown.

ON a different note, I just realized this means I won't be able to see the Driller's fireworks from my house.  I am now against the move.  []

Good plan; leave with the herd.

Just don't leave the stadium solo at the 7th Inning Stretch.

P.S.  Why isn't anyone asking why we want to spend $60 million on a new stadium for the team with the WORST record in its AA Baseball League?

The Drillers are terrible.

Lamson sure isn't spending any money on talent.




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[booWorld]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

...I just realized this means I won't be able to see the Driller's fireworks from my house...

I'll be able to see them from mine.  [:X]

[rwarn17588]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

Originally posted by cannon_fodder



P.S.  Why isn't anyone asking why we want to spend $60 million on a new stadium for the team with the WORST record in its AA Baseball League?

The Drillers are terrible.

Lamson sure isn't spending any money on talent.

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Once again, Friendly Bear shows how stupid he is.

Right now, the Tulsa Drillers are tied for first place in the Texas League standings, with Springfield, with a 6-4 record.

http://tulsa.drillers.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=t260&t=l_sta&lid=109&period=h2

You didn't even look, did you, Foolish Bear?

[Gaspar]

We had our company picknic at Driller Stadium last week.  They do a wonderful job hosting corporate events.  

When I was a kid the stadium was usually nearly empty on game days.  Now they really fill it up!

I think they are doing a good job of promoting themselves!

Go Drillers!

[Gold]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

I will feed the bear in this regard:  the Brady District is a bit shady at night.  There are many transient (read: bums) that hang around.  The bars have a very mixed group of people.  It is close to several "clubs" that have issues from time to time and the area is close to some sketchy parts of town.  

I've felt uncomfortable walking to my car from Cain's before.  I've never had any problems in the area and don't hesitate to go back, but many people are turned off just by things that are different.  The Brady District itself is different and the people it attracts are of varying backgrounds, races, incomes etc.

HOWEVER, the presence of other people is a cure all for that.  If a Driller game gets out at 11pm on a Friday you will have the normal bar crowd plus 5,000 people.  So the feeling of being alone in the dark in a warehouse district won't exactly apply.  Add to that - the way to make the area more secure feeling is to develop it more.  Which is what's proposed.  Add some new structures, some better lighting (never understood why the area is so poorly lit between bars), and some more people and it's a non-issue.

Also, CONNECT the Brady with the Blue Dome.  Light the way, throw some signs in there.  Pretend like you want people to "go out" downtown.

ON a different note, I just realized this means I won't be able to see the Driller's fireworks from my house.  I am now against the move.  []

What clubs?  There is the Kitchell thing on 2nd that is not in the Brady area.  There is the old Curly's/East End thing that looks like it is coming down with the proposed development.  There's the gay dance club across from Caz's (Is it still called Majestic?) that is pretty harmless -- a mutual friend of ours went with me to see Two Live Crew there and it was one of the lamer nights of my life.  There are several bars that bring in a diverse crowd, but the weirdest person I've seen down there is Bikerfox when he shows up at Soundpony.

The issue are transients and panhandlers.  The panhandlers are actually not as bad as you would find in more urban areas like St. Louis, Chicago, Manhattan, San Fransisco, Atlanta, Vancouver, etc.  Usually it's the same couple of guys who feed off the fools that pay them -- there is an old black man on a bike that sometimes has a top hat.  The worst part of entertainment areas downtown is noted to be the area across from Deadtown -- why one would go to Deadtown is beyond me, so if you just stay away from there, it's not so bad.  I'd even argue that Deadtown is kind of a distant territory and not really part of the rest.

A lot of the other really bad things you'll find downtown are purely voluntary, such as the couple of prostitutes between the shelter and Deadtown and the crack dealers in roughly the same area.  Generally, these people don't want trouble and they stay out of the higher traffic areas.  The worst thing I've had happen to me was a panhandler annoy me while I tried to eat sandwich in the Arnie's parking lot (voluntary act on my part to sit in my car and eat).  I told him no, and when he wouldn't leave, I took out my phone and took his picture.  He then decided to leave.  I realize a lot of folks would be freaked out by something like that, but I haven't seen the man since and in the three or four years since, there are fewer panhandlers.  Honestly, just as many non-homeless folks hit me up for a buck at the bars.

[RecycleMichael]

Driller Stadium will be packed Thursday and Friday night for their back-to-back fireworks shows.

The whole area including Lowe's, Target and Walgreens will be packed at around 9:30 listening to the game on their car radio. The shows are great and sometimes last for twenty minutes or longer.  

I can't wait to see them against the downtown skyline in a couple of years.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

quote:Originally posted by Double A
I am sick of good money being thrown after bad downtown.

I believe you are in the minority on this one. Downtown is doing very well right now. Occupancy rates are up, new restaurants have opened and the after-hours clubs are beginning to get busy.

The arena is going to make everything better downtown. When this ballpark opens, the place to be is going to be downtown.

Why are you so negative?

And why are occupancy rates up? It wouldn't have anything to do with Da Mare's Krystal Kastle   being taken off the market, artificially boosting occupancy rates in the private market, now would it? Why are you so full of sh*t? This town needs an enema and so do you. BTW, isn't your "private" business located close to the site where the new ballpark is proposed? How many other "private" businesses have their own public trust with the city?

[MichaelBates]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear


Lamson sure isn't spending any money on talent.

When you're a farm team, the big league team signs the talent and decides who will be on your roster. Lamson has no choice in the matter.