Why do we need a new baseball stadium?

[Conan71]

Did we need a new stadium?  Not until the morons at the Fairgrounds began running off tennants.

A stadium downtown is the kind of development adrenaline that 50 years of DTU assessments hasn't accomplished.  There's something about looking at the skyline, seeing the bright lights of a stadium or race track on the horizon and wondering what is going on underneath them.

People complain about Tulsa being behind Oklahoma City and lacking in vision to have our own version of Bricktown.  I have a feeling there are those in that crowd who are decrying this ballpark.

The Drillers have played this out perfectly.  What's the alternative?  The County no longer wants them in their stadium which is still nice by AA standards, if not functionally the same as newer parks.  

Jenks made the team an offer.  The Drillers let us know about it.  What should we do?  Let them go down the river or choose it as an opportunity to grow our Downtown and hopefully spur denser infill within the IDL and just outside it.

My personal preference would be for the team owners to fork over much of the construction cost and let them find their own sponsors to shore up any additional funds needed.  

Unfortunately, this is the national trend.  Taxpayers pay for the ballparks.  The Drillers have other options.  No, I'm not 100% happy with the funding mechanism, but I'm not so myopic on this issue that I think the Drillers should move to Jenks.  This is a development which can have many benefits for everyone moving forward.

Those who own real estate downtown and those who have businesses there will benefit.  It's not just about how many rings at the register, it's the type of focal development which will bring up property values for all real estate owners in that area who are willing to reinvest.

Finally, anyone who professes fear of panhandlers and homeless people downtown doesn't really spend that much time around the area and hasn't been hit up that many times, IMO.  All you have to do is say "NO".  

Worst thing that ever happened to me was a guy making a comment about me being a cheap bastard.  BFD.  I frequent clubs and restaurants in the Blue Dome or Brady District at a minium of once a week,  I get hit up for money more often at the QT on 11th St. than I do leaving McNellie's, Arnie's, or Sound Pony.

Sager was correct, ballparks are good sustainable development and they are a magnet for more development.  Many minor and major league ballparks have chosen the warehouse-district/downtown locale and it's spurred new development and re-developemnt most everywhere it's been done.  

Stop the hyperbole and let's move forward.

[Gold]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

No bear.

The Drillers play a split season and have already started the second half. They are in first place.

You must be tired of being wrong so often.

So, what happens to their first half of season record?

Written-off like our loan to Great Plains Airlines?

They were DEAD last in the league a few weeks ago.

Abysmal.

The first half leader plays the second half leader in the playoffs.  Given the way the minors work (with so many players moving during the season), you usually want to win the second half because that means you have a better shot in the playoffs (you have the good players late in the year).  The Drillers have won a couple of first half pennants in recent years, only to totally collapse in the playoffs.


You know, if you'd just ask the question rather than inserting the random emoticons and tossing in baseless assertions ("abysmal" above), you might be a halfway decent poster.  But as it stands, you're sort of like the NIT Picker on the World Picker's blog . . . a constant source of amusement for those who actually pay attention to things and understand nuance.

I'd say finishing in the League's cellar for the First Half is pretty abysmal.

And like I noted above, it doesn't appear to make much of a difference.  People go and have fun and they still appear to be making money (that's a unique part of the Drillers experience, people go no matter what).  You even essentially admit you don't know what you're talking about (didn't even know there was a first half pennant).  Finally, you also concede that it doesn't matter if they have an abysmal first half finish.

C'mon, keep it up, I love messing with trolls.

The Drillers matter little to me.  

I rarely attend their games.

However, instituting a new 30-year tax on downtown property owners DOES matter to me.

Like I said, I don't think you get out much.  You should get out more.  Why would you care about the property tax?  Do you own property down there?

If it passes, will you leave the town?  If it's such a corrupt plutocracy, why stay?  No one is keeping you here.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

No bear.

The Drillers play a split season and have already started the second half. They are in first place.

You must be tired of being wrong so often.

So, what happens to their first half of season record?

Written-off like our loan to Great Plains Airlines?

They were DEAD last in the league a few weeks ago.

Abysmal.

The first half leader plays the second half leader in the playoffs.  Given the way the minors work (with so many players moving during the season), you usually want to win the second half because that means you have a better shot in the playoffs (you have the good players late in the year).  The Drillers have won a couple of first half pennants in recent years, only to totally collapse in the playoffs.


You know, if you'd just ask the question rather than inserting the random emoticons and tossing in baseless assertions ("abysmal" above), you might be a halfway decent poster.  But as it stands, you're sort of like the NIT Picker on the World Picker's blog . . . a constant source of amusement for those who actually pay attention to things and understand nuance.

I'd say finishing in the League's cellar for the First Half is pretty abysmal.

And like I noted above, it doesn't appear to make much of a difference.  People go and have fun and they still appear to be making money (that's a unique part of the Drillers experience, people go no matter what).  You even essentially admit you don't know what you're talking about (didn't even know there was a first half pennant).  Finally, you also concede that it doesn't matter if they have an abysmal first half finish.

C'mon, keep it up, I love messing with trolls.

The Drillers matter little to me.  

I rarely attend their games.

However, instituting a new 30-year tax on downtown property owners DOES matter to me.

Like I said, I don't think you get out much.  You should get out more.  Why would you care about the property tax?  Do you own property down there?

If it passes, will you leave the town?  If it's such a corrupt plutocracy, why stay?  No one is keeping you here.

I stay in the Banana Republic of Tulsa for the same reason I stay on this Forum:

Glutton for Punishment.

[booWorld]

quote:Originally posted by booWorld


Defend - the plan

[Gold]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

No bear.

The Drillers play a split season and have already started the second half. They are in first place.

You must be tired of being wrong so often.

So, what happens to their first half of season record?

Written-off like our loan to Great Plains Airlines?

They were DEAD last in the league a few weeks ago.

Abysmal.

The first half leader plays the second half leader in the playoffs.  Given the way the minors work (with so many players moving during the season), you usually want to win the second half because that means you have a better shot in the playoffs (you have the good players late in the year).  The Drillers have won a couple of first half pennants in recent years, only to totally collapse in the playoffs.


You know, if you'd just ask the question rather than inserting the random emoticons and tossing in baseless assertions ("abysmal" above), you might be a halfway decent poster.  But as it stands, you're sort of like the NIT Picker on the World Picker's blog . . . a constant source of amusement for those who actually pay attention to things and understand nuance.

I'd say finishing in the League's cellar for the First Half is pretty abysmal.

And like I noted above, it doesn't appear to make much of a difference.  People go and have fun and they still appear to be making money (that's a unique part of the Drillers experience, people go no matter what).  You even essentially admit you don't know what you're talking about (didn't even know there was a first half pennant).  Finally, you also concede that it doesn't matter if they have an abysmal first half finish.

C'mon, keep it up, I love messing with trolls.

The Drillers matter little to me.  

I rarely attend their games.

However, instituting a new 30-year tax on downtown property owners DOES matter to me.

Like I said, I don't think you get out much.  You should get out more.  Why would you care about the property tax?  Do you own property down there?

If it passes, will you leave the town?  If it's such a corrupt plutocracy, why stay?  No one is keeping you here.

I stay in the Banana Republic of Tulsa for the same reason I stay on this Forum:

Glutton for Punishment.

Ah, that was another theory: that you like to be wrong.  Because in the alternative to "Talk Crazy like Friendly Bear Day," I was going to propose find "Friendly Bear a New Home Day."

But it looks like the former will work.  Here goes an early attempt:

Susan Savage is named "Savage."  

She must be "savage."

LaFortune has the word "fortune" in his name.  

He's obviously a plutocrat.

Kathy Taylor has the word "kat" in her name.

Meeeooow.

There was once a judge in Tulsa county that ruled in a way that I didn't like.  But you see, she didn't write an opinion.  And ruled after reading some briefs.  But if she had written an opinion, it would have said: "I read the Tulsa World."

[:O]

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

No bear.

The Drillers play a split season and have already started the second half. They are in first place.

You must be tired of being wrong so often.

So, what happens to their first half of season record?

Written-off like our loan to Great Plains Airlines?

They were DEAD last in the league a few weeks ago.

Abysmal.

The first half leader plays the second half leader in the playoffs.  Given the way the minors work (with so many players moving during the season), you usually want to win the second half because that means you have a better shot in the playoffs (you have the good players late in the year).  The Drillers have won a couple of first half pennants in recent years, only to totally collapse in the playoffs.


You know, if you'd just ask the question rather than inserting the random emoticons and tossing in baseless assertions ("abysmal" above), you might be a halfway decent poster.  But as it stands, you're sort of like the NIT Picker on the World Picker's blog . . . a constant source of amusement for those who actually pay attention to things and understand nuance.

I'd say finishing in the League's cellar for the First Half is pretty abysmal.

And like I noted above, it doesn't appear to make much of a difference.  People go and have fun and they still appear to be making money (that's a unique part of the Drillers experience, people go no matter what).  You even essentially admit you don't know what you're talking about (didn't even know there was a first half pennant).  Finally, you also concede that it doesn't matter if they have an abysmal first half finish.

C'mon, keep it up, I love messing with trolls.

The Drillers matter little to me.  

I rarely attend their games.

However, instituting a new 30-year tax on downtown property owners DOES matter to me.

Like I said, I don't think you get out much.  You should get out more.  Why would you care about the property tax?  Do you own property down there?

If it passes, will you leave the town?  If it's such a corrupt plutocracy, why stay?  No one is keeping you here.

I stay in the Banana Republic of Tulsa for the same reason I stay on this Forum:

Glutton for Punishment.

Ah, that was another theory: that you like to be wrong.  Because in the alternative to "Talk Crazy like Friendly Bear Day," I was going to propose find "Friendly Bear a New Home Day."

But it looks like the former will work.  Here goes an early attempt:

Susan Savage is named "Savage."  

She must be "savage."

LaFortune has the word "fortune" in his name.  

He's obviously a plutocrat.

Kathy Taylor has the word "kat" in her name.

Meeeooow.

There was once a judge in Tulsa county that ruled in a way that I didn't like.  But you see, she didn't write an opinion.  And ruled after reading some briefs.  But if she had written an opinion, it would have said: "I read the Tulsa World."

[:O]

Actually, Mayor Susan Savage was really Susan Hall for many years, B4 reportedly discovering Mr. Hall in a compromising situation with his subordinate.

Then, they got quietly divorced.  Buried on the back page of the Lorton's World newspaper.

The NAME Susan Savage sounded much more alliterative for a try for public office.  

Da-da, Da-da.  Hear the rhythm?

Sus-an Sav-age.

In the English language, TV and radio commentators can punch out a double-double syllable name that really resounds with the listener.

Richard Nixon

Ronald Reagan

Jimmy Carter

Lyndon Johnson

Eisen-Hower

Adolf Hitler.

Kathy Taylor, a.k.a. Mrs. Kitty.

As to Bill LaFortunate, he's from one of the 12 Ruling local Oligarch families.

[:O]

[waterboy]

Passing on sleazy rumors is bad enough couldn't you at least get the story straight? You're sounding more and more like a mysogynist creep every day.

I liked Mayor Savage, though I have to admit part of it was her easy to look at countenance. I have since changed my mind. She was not a good administrator and like most executive screw ups got booted upstairs into a cush job. A real life "oily" totally removed from average voters. Her personal life was immaterial.

[Gold]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

No bear.

The Drillers play a split season and have already started the second half. They are in first place.

You must be tired of being wrong so often.

So, what happens to their first half of season record?

Written-off like our loan to Great Plains Airlines?

They were DEAD last in the league a few weeks ago.

Abysmal.

The first half leader plays the second half leader in the playoffs.  Given the way the minors work (with so many players moving during the season), you usually want to win the second half because that means you have a better shot in the playoffs (you have the good players late in the year).  The Drillers have won a couple of first half pennants in recent years, only to totally collapse in the playoffs.


You know, if you'd just ask the question rather than inserting the random emoticons and tossing in baseless assertions ("abysmal" above), you might be a halfway decent poster.  But as it stands, you're sort of like the NIT Picker on the World Picker's blog . . . a constant source of amusement for those who actually pay attention to things and understand nuance.

I'd say finishing in the League's cellar for the First Half is pretty abysmal.

And like I noted above, it doesn't appear to make much of a difference.  People go and have fun and they still appear to be making money (that's a unique part of the Drillers experience, people go no matter what).  You even essentially admit you don't know what you're talking about (didn't even know there was a first half pennant).  Finally, you also concede that it doesn't matter if they have an abysmal first half finish.

C'mon, keep it up, I love messing with trolls.

The Drillers matter little to me.  

I rarely attend their games.

However, instituting a new 30-year tax on downtown property owners DOES matter to me.

Like I said, I don't think you get out much.  You should get out more.  Why would you care about the property tax?  Do you own property down there?

If it passes, will you leave the town?  If it's such a corrupt plutocracy, why stay?  No one is keeping you here.

I stay in the Banana Republic of Tulsa for the same reason I stay on this Forum:

Glutton for Punishment.

Ah, that was another theory: that you like to be wrong.  Because in the alternative to "Talk Crazy like Friendly Bear Day," I was going to propose find "Friendly Bear a New Home Day."

But it looks like the former will work.  Here goes an early attempt:

Susan Savage is named "Savage."  

She must be "savage."

LaFortune has the word "fortune" in his name.  

He's obviously a plutocrat.

Kathy Taylor has the word "kat" in her name.

Meeeooow.

There was once a judge in Tulsa county that ruled in a way that I didn't like.  But you see, she didn't write an opinion.  And ruled after reading some briefs.  But if she had written an opinion, it would have said: "I read the Tulsa World."

[:O]

Actually, Mayor Susan Savage was really Susan Hall for many years, B4 reportedly discovering Mr. Hall in a compromising situation with his subordinate.

Then, they got quietly divorced.  Buried on the back page of the Lorton's World newspaper.

The NAME Susan Savage sounded much more alliterative for a try for public office.  

Da-da, Da-da.  Hear the rhythm?

Sus-an Sav-age.

In the English language, TV and radio commentators can punch out a double-double syllable name that really resounds with the listener.

Richard Nixon

Ronald Reagan

Jimmy Carter

Lyndon Johnson

Eisen-Hower

Adolf Hitler.

Kathy Taylor, a.k.a. Mrs. Kitty.

As to Bill LaFortunate, he's from one of the 12 Ruling local Oligarch families.

[:O]

You know what else is buried in the back pages of the World?  

The weather.

It's all a conspiracy with the Plutocrats and Oral Roberts, who controls the weather.

And the World.

And F&M Bank.

And the Tulsa Talons.

And Ron's.

And QT.

All who advertise in the Tulsa World.

[:O]

[TURobY]

quote:Originally posted by Gold


You know what else is buried in the back pages of the World?  

The weather.

It's all a conspiracy with the Plutocrats and Oral Roberts, who controls the weather.

And the World.

And F&M Bank.

And the Tulsa Talons.

And Ron's.

And QT.

All who advertise in the Tulsa World.

[:O]

... woah, man. You are really trippin' me out here. []

[Gold]

quote:Originally posted by TURobY

quote:Originally posted by Gold


You know what else is buried in the back pages of the World?  

The weather.

It's all a conspiracy with the Plutocrats and Oral Roberts, who controls the weather.

And the World.

And F&M Bank.

And the Tulsa Talons.

And Ron's.

And QT.

All who advertise in the Tulsa World.

[:O]

... woah, man. You are really trippin' me out here. []

You should see my impression of the TW comments section:

Bob: No arena tax!!!
Sally: We already have an arena tax.
Bob: AHHH!!!!!
Joe Allen Doty: Blah blah Blah


Here is my impression of Chris Medlock:

"Idiot!!!!!"

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by TURobY

quote:Originally posted by Gold


You know what else is buried in the back pages of the World?  

The weather.

It's all a conspiracy with the Plutocrats and Oral Roberts, who controls the weather.

And the World.

And F&M Bank.

And the Tulsa Talons.

And Ron's.

And QT.

All who advertise in the Tulsa World.

[:O]

... woah, man. You are really trippin' me out here. []

You should see my impression of the TW comments section:

Bob: No arena tax!!!
Sally: We already have an arena tax.
Bob: AHHH!!!!!
Joe Allen Doty: Blah blah Blah


Here is my impression of Chris Medlock:

"Idiot!!!!!"

Partial credit awarded:

The Lorton's World and the F&M Bank are related....

The Lorton's are reportedly a principal shareholder of the bank.

The battle over their branch at 71st and Harvard didn't win them any new newspaper subscriptions or new bank accounts from the proximal neighhood associations, principally Guier Woods.

[Gold]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by TURobY

quote:Originally posted by Gold


You know what else is buried in the back pages of the World?  

The weather.

It's all a conspiracy with the Plutocrats and Oral Roberts, who controls the weather.

And the World.

And F&M Bank.

And the Tulsa Talons.

And Ron's.

And QT.

All who advertise in the Tulsa World.

[:O]

... woah, man. You are really trippin' me out here. []

You should see my impression of the TW comments section:

Bob: No arena tax!!!
Sally: We already have an arena tax.
Bob: AHHH!!!!!
Joe Allen Doty: Blah blah Blah


Here is my impression of Chris Medlock:

"Idiot!!!!!"

Partial credit awarded:

The Lorton's World and the F&M Bank are related....

The Lorton's are reportedly a principal shareholder of the bank.

The battle over their branch at 71st and Harvard didn't win them any new newspaper subscriptions or new bank accounts from the proximal neighhood associations, principally Guier Woods.

And they all advertise in the Tulsa World.

A paper FB complains about.

Yet reads.

In a town he hates.

But won't leave.

He pays taxes, reads the paper, and therefore supports the plutocracy.

FB is part of the conspiracy.

Shhhhhh . . .

[:O]

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by TURobY

quote:Originally posted by Gold


You know what else is buried in the back pages of the World?  

The weather.

It's all a conspiracy with the Plutocrats and Oral Roberts, who controls the weather.

And the World.

And F&M Bank.

And the Tulsa Talons.

And Ron's.

And QT.

All who advertise in the Tulsa World.

[:O]

... woah, man. You are really trippin' me out here. []

You should see my impression of the TW comments section:

Bob: No arena tax!!!
Sally: We already have an arena tax.
Bob: AHHH!!!!!
Joe Allen Doty: Blah blah Blah


Here is my impression of Chris Medlock:

"Idiot!!!!!"

Partial credit awarded:

The Lorton's World and the F&M Bank are related....

The Lorton's are reportedly a principal shareholder of the bank.

The battle over their branch at 71st and Harvard didn't win them any new newspaper subscriptions or new bank accounts from the proximal neighhood associations, principally Guier Woods.

And they all advertise in the Tulsa World.

A paper FB complains about.

Yet reads.

In a town he hates.

But won't leave.

He pays taxes, reads the paper, and therefore supports the plutocracy.

FB is part of the conspiracy.

Shhhhhh . . .

[:O]

I thought this thread was supposed to be about a proposed new baseball stadium downtown?

You seem to be a bit off-topic....

Why are you trying to make it about a Five-Star poster?

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by TURobY

quote:Originally posted by Gold


You know what else is buried in the back pages of the World?  

The weather.

It's all a conspiracy with the Plutocrats and Oral Roberts, who controls the weather.

And the World.

And F&M Bank.

And the Tulsa Talons.

And Ron's.

And QT.

All who advertise in the Tulsa World.

[:O]

... woah, man. You are really trippin' me out here. []

You should see my impression of the TW comments section:

Bob: No arena tax!!!
Sally: We already have an arena tax.
Bob: AHHH!!!!!
Joe Allen Doty: Blah blah Blah


Here is my impression of Chris Medlock:

"Idiot!!!!!"

Partial credit awarded:

The Lorton's World and the F&M Bank are related....

The Lorton's are reportedly a principal shareholder of the bank.

The battle over their branch at 71st and Harvard didn't win them any new newspaper subscriptions or new bank accounts from the proximal neighhood associations, principally Guier Woods.

And they all advertise in the Tulsa World.

A paper FB complains about.

Yet reads.

In a town he hates.

But won't leave.

He pays taxes, reads the paper, and therefore supports the plutocracy.

FB is part of the conspiracy.

Shhhhhh . . .

[:O]

I thought this thread was supposed to be about a proposed new baseball stadium downtown?

You seem to be a bit off-topic....

Why are you trying to make it about a Five-Star poster?

Quantity.

Not the same as quality.

[]

[Gold]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by TURobY

quote:Originally posted by Gold


You know what else is buried in the back pages of the World?  

The weather.

It's all a conspiracy with the Plutocrats and Oral Roberts, who controls the weather.

And the World.

And F&M Bank.

And the Tulsa Talons.

And Ron's.

And QT.

All who advertise in the Tulsa World.

[:O]

... woah, man. You are really trippin' me out here. []

You should see my impression of the TW comments section:

Bob: No arena tax!!!
Sally: We already have an arena tax.
Bob: AHHH!!!!!
Joe Allen Doty: Blah blah Blah


Here is my impression of Chris Medlock:

"Idiot!!!!!"

Partial credit awarded:

The Lorton's World and the F&M Bank are related....

The Lorton's are reportedly a principal shareholder of the bank.

The battle over their branch at 71st and Harvard didn't win them any new newspaper subscriptions or new bank accounts from the proximal neighhood associations, principally Guier Woods.

And they all advertise in the Tulsa World.

A paper FB complains about.

Yet reads.

In a town he hates.

But won't leave.

He pays taxes, reads the paper, and therefore supports the plutocracy.

FB is part of the conspiracy.

Shhhhhh . . .

[:O]

I thought this thread was supposed to be about a proposed new baseball stadium downtown?

You seem to be a bit off-topic....

Why are you trying to make it about a Five-Star poster?

FB makes every thread about nonsense.

Other posters state facts, but FB just makes up crazy things when he doesn't know the answers.

The Drillers must be bad if they aren't in first place the first half of the year.

Downtown must be unsafe if FB doesn't go there,

Judge Wiseman must be bad if she doesn't agree with FB's "jurisprudence."

Tulsa must be a plutocracy if it's an over-simplified tale that makes sense to the bewildered herd that listen to KFAQ.

Why not make up similar nonsense (in a funny way) to mirror the annoyance of FB's baseless rants?

I'm tired of reading the nonsense, aren't you?  

If facts don't work, why not do the exact same thing he does?

Sounds to me like FB just got caught and is crying about it.

Kind of like Randi Miller.

[:O]