Why do we need a new baseball stadium?

[we vs us]

Originally posted by Conan71

Stop the hyperbole and let's move forward[/br]

This should be in big block quotes at the top of this website.  

TULSANOW FORUM:  STOP THE HYPERBOLE AND LET'S MOVE FORWARD.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

Originally posted by Conan71

Stop the hyperbole and let's move forward[/br]

This should be in big block quotes at the top of this website.  

TULSANOW FORUM:  STOP THE HYPERBOLE AND LET'S MOVE FORWARD.

I originated this Topic. It had a first few pages of generally good public discussion.

Then, about Page 3, it degenerated into several posters calling me crazy, liar, etc.

I think if forensically you would review starting on Page 3, you would find it centered on posts from Gold primarily, with some assistance from the usual TulsaMetroChamberPot's Echo Chamber & Camp Meeting posters.

I don't think the citizens will get a direct vote on this TIF financing one way or other.

The downtown property owners are the impacted constituents.

However, as a generally financial conservative voter, I eschew spending money on a new stadium to replace an adequate, DEBT-FREE, existing stadium.

[Renaissance]

Here's the simple answer to Friendly Bear's question:

We need a new stadium in order to keep the Drillers within the borders of the City of Tulsa.  Without a new stadium, the club was moving to Jenks.

If you don't care where they are, you don't care whether they need a new stadium.  If you do, you probably think they do.  

Once the premise of "need" for a new stadium is established, the more complicated questions of "where" and "how" arise.

[Gold]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

Originally posted by Conan71

Stop the hyperbole and let's move forward[/br]

This should be in big block quotes at the top of this website.  

TULSANOW FORUM:  STOP THE HYPERBOLE AND LET'S MOVE FORWARD.

I originated this Topic. It had a first few pages of generally good public discussion.

Then, about Page 3, it degenerated into several posters calling me crazy, liar, etc.

I think if forensically you would review starting on Page 3, you would find it centered on posts from Gold primarily, with some assistance from the usual TulsaMetroChamberPot's Echo Chamber & Camp Meeting posters.

I don't think the citizens will get a direct vote on this TIF financing one way or other.

The downtown property owners are the impacted constituents.

However, as a generally financial conservative voter, I eschew spending money on a new stadium to replace an adequate, DEBT-FREE, existing stadium.

What?

An actual thought?

No rubbing the nose of people you don't know with silly innuendo and lies?

No conspiracy theories?

Nothing about the logjammin' case?

You won't make it on Batesline with comments like that.

Then again, the voters don't have much to do with TIFs directly.  

So maybe there's still hope for you to make up some stuff and imply unsavory behavior where none exists.

Heck, you don't know anything about the Drillers other than that they play at the fairgrouds.

No fun for FB when the tables are turned.

Poor FB.

[:O]

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

Here's the simple answer to Friendly Bear's question:

We need a new stadium in order to keep the Drillers within the borders of the City of Tulsa.  Without a new stadium, the club was moving to Jenks.

If you don't care where they are, you don't care whether they need a new stadium.  If you do, you probably think they do.  

Once the premise of "need" for a new stadium is established, the more complicated questions of "where" and "how" arise.

Sports team owners all over the U.S. have a perfected con job of threatening cities that they will move if someone doesn't build them a fine, new stadium.

The Oklahoma City plutocrats Clay Bennett, Aubrey McClendon, etc. that own the Seattle Supersonics wanted a new, $500 million basketball stadium to stay in Seattle.  

The city and state government turned them down.

Now, they want to end their lease two years early, and hustle down to OKC.

As to the Drillers, an actual better location for a proposed Driller Stadium might be between the Jenks Acquarium and the RiverWalk.

It would fit well with those entertainment venues.  Maybe even fit in a new Bell's Amusement Park thereabouts someday.

And, as the geographic center of Tulsa has moved farther and farther south, that actually may be a better venue for a stadium.

And, it lets the Jenks taxpayers fund the stadium.  

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[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

Originally posted by Conan71

Stop the hyperbole and let's move forward[/br]

This should be in big block quotes at the top of this website.  

TULSANOW FORUM:  STOP THE HYPERBOLE AND LET'S MOVE FORWARD.

That works for me.  They can license it from you and I for $1 per page view and we can split it. []

[Chicken Little]

quote:Originally posted by Gold

Meeeooow.

It's hard to say which is more entertaining, Gold's "Bizarro FB" schtick or Friendly Bear pretending to be peeved about a thread gone haywire, "Then, about Page 3, it degenerated..."

FB has standards?  Who knew?

[Gold]

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by Gold

Meeeooow.

It's hard to say which is more entertaining, Gold's "Bizarro FB" schtick or Friendly Bear pretending to be peeved about a thread gone haywire, "Then, about Page 3, it degenerated..."

FB has standards?  Who knew?

[]

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by Gold

Meeeooow.

It's hard to say which is more entertaining, Gold's "Bizarro FB" schtick or Friendly Bear pretending to be peeved about a thread gone haywire, "Then, about Page 3, it degenerated..."

FB has standards?  Who knew?

It's nearly supper time hereabouts:

I'm getting that Fried Chicken feeling again.

FB to Oil Capital:  Vector to target poultry at the following TCP/IP address:

202.110.105.BR549

Napalm AND Cluster Bombs available.  

ROGER, that.

It's a Free-Fire zone.  No Friendlies in the area.

Fry-'em.

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[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

Originally posted by Conan71

Stop the hyperbole and let's move forward[/br]

This should be in big block quotes at the top of this website.  

TULSANOW FORUM:  STOP THE HYPERBOLE AND LET'S MOVE FORWARD.

I originated this Topic. It had a first few pages of generally good public discussion.

Then, about Page 3, it degenerated into several posters calling me crazy, liar, etc.

I think if forensically you would review starting on Page 3, you would find it centered on posts from Gold primarily, with some assistance from the usual TulsaMetroChamberPot's Echo Chamber & Camp Meeting posters.

I don't think the citizens will get a direct vote on this TIF financing one way or other.

The downtown property owners are the impacted constituents.

However, as a generally financial conservative voter, I eschew spending money on a new stadium to replace an adequate, DEBT-FREE, existing stadium.

What?

An actual thought?

No rubbing the nose of people you don't know with silly innuendo and lies?

No conspiracy theories?

Nothing about the logjammin' case?

You won't make it on Batesline with comments like that.

Then again, the voters don't have much to do with TIFs directly.  

So maybe there's still hope for you to make up some stuff and imply unsavory behavior where none exists.

Heck, you don't know anything about the Drillers other than that they play at the fairgrouds.

No fun for FB when the tables are turned.

Poor FB.

[:O]

Uh, Friendly Bear was actually quoted at length  a week ago on www.batesline.com

regarding Michael Bates June 27th post about the local goobermint bail out of a certain influential bank and  their Great Plains Airlines debt repayment.

http://www.batesline.com/archives/2008/06/bok-bailout-other-voices.html

[Chicken Little]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

Uh, Friendly Bear was actually quoted at length  a week ago on www.batesline.com

Yeah, kudos.  For local internet paranoids, that's like playing Carnegie Hall.

[Gold]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

Originally posted by Conan71

Stop the hyperbole and let's move forward[/br]

This should be in big block quotes at the top of this website.  

TULSANOW FORUM:  STOP THE HYPERBOLE AND LET'S MOVE FORWARD.

I originated this Topic. It had a first few pages of generally good public discussion.

Then, about Page 3, it degenerated into several posters calling me crazy, liar, etc.

I think if forensically you would review starting on Page 3, you would find it centered on posts from Gold primarily, with some assistance from the usual TulsaMetroChamberPot's Echo Chamber & Camp Meeting posters.

I don't think the citizens will get a direct vote on this TIF financing one way or other.

The downtown property owners are the impacted constituents.

However, as a generally financial conservative voter, I eschew spending money on a new stadium to replace an adequate, DEBT-FREE, existing stadium.

What?

An actual thought?

No rubbing the nose of people you don't know with silly innuendo and lies?

No conspiracy theories?

Nothing about the logjammin' case?

You won't make it on Batesline with comments like that.

Then again, the voters don't have much to do with TIFs directly.  

So maybe there's still hope for you to make up some stuff and imply unsavory behavior where none exists.

Heck, you don't know anything about the Drillers other than that they play at the fairgrouds.

No fun for FB when the tables are turned.

Poor FB.

[:O]

Uh, Friendly Bear was actually quoted at length  a week ago on www.batesline.com

regarding Michael Bates June 27th post about the local goobermint bail out of a certain influential bank and  their Great Plains Airlines debt repayment.

http://www.batesline.com/archives/2008/06/bok-bailout-other-voices.html

It's very funny when FB doesn't perceive the joke.

The point was that when you make a post with one bit of reason (WAHHHHH, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS STADIUM AND I HAVE STANDARDS, O-KKK), it won't make it on Bates' site.

The rant that went after good folks, like the judges, was nasty, baseless stuff.

You don't know what you are talking about when it comes to law.

All I can figure is you lost a case in front of Judge Wiseman and have it out for her.

Which happens -- it's an adversarial system.

But, rather than attempt to understand the other side, because of your misfortune and lack of desire to make this a better place, you attack:

The World.

F&M Bank.

The Lortons.

LaFortune.

Kathy Taylor.

And the judges.

Basically, anybody with talent that puts it to use.

It's all their fault.

But no one is as wise the mighty Friendly Bear.

Who doesn't know anything about the Drillers (other than that they play at the Fairgrounds).

Or downtown.  Because there's nothing there for him.

(Doesn't get out much.)

We got it long ago.

And that's the joke.

It's on you.

O-KKK?

[Gold]

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

Uh, Friendly Bear was actually quoted at length  a week ago on www.batesline.com

Yeah, kudos.  For local internet paranoids, that's like playing Carnegie Hall.

ZING!!!!!*going to get tinfoil hat*

[AVERAGE JOE]

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by Gold

Meeeooow.

It's hard to say which is more entertaining, Gold's "Bizarro FB" schtick or Friendly Bear pretending to be peeved about a thread gone haywire, "Then, about Page 3, it degenerated..."

FB has standards?  Who knew?

You forgot to mention Double A puffing up on page 3 like he was going to start something. This thread started on the topic of baseball and ended up a circus.

[AVERAGE JOE]

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

Uh, Friendly Bear was actually quoted at length  a week ago on www.batesline.com

Yeah, kudos.  For local internet paranoids, that's like playing Carnegie Hall.

Leader in the clubhouse for Best Post of July 2008. That was so good, everyone else is playing for second place this month. []