So, whose gonna be Tulsa's next mayor.....

[Gold]

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

quote:Originally posted by waterboy



Taylor doesn't do camera work well, she doesn't really enjoy regular folks socializing and has made some controversial decisions. She seems truly boardroom material to me. Eagleton loves engaging his opponents, seeks the camera and makes people laugh.

She is around town a lot, but I don't think she's as friendly as LaFortune.  That seems to be the sentiment from everyone I know.  It doesn't matter to me one way if she does her job; I think she is at this point.

Disagree.  She is everywhere.  I've seen her speak and glad-hand in just about every venue and organization I am involved in, and she has even popped up in groups unexpectedly.  

I find her far more accessible than our previous mayor.

[waterboy]

She tries hard, I'll give her that, but she is not a natural at it. Being accessible and visible is different than being sociable. I spoke with her and got the feeling that it was work for her. But I'll concede it may have been my perception. You have to admit, the video camera is not her friend.

[sgrizzle]

I think she might be a tad taller than lafortune. Not sure.

[Gold]

The mirror isn't, either.

An opponent should find the wall-eye camera angle used at D-fest by Flaming Lips . . . it went right up her nose as she introduced the band.  I sort of felt bad for her, she was totally out of her element. Then again, she kind of brought that on herself . . . would be a funny ad, put some carnival music to it/

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

I would disagree with your assessment that Taylor doesn't do socializing with regular folks very well. At each of the neighborfests this year she has among the last to leave and has gone out of her way to talk to every person there.

I agree with your assessment of Eagleton. He is very likable and has real insight on many issues. He also knows obscure facts. Last time we talked he was telling me about Glenpool oil and World War One...it was stuff I never knew.

I didn't like her and didn't support her until I had the opportunity to be around her some on a couple of projects.  She's actually got a pretty good sense of humor and she is a workaholic.  Tulsa is fortunate in that regard.  I think what impressed me most was at the time capsule ceremony in November, she didn't hog attention and she stayed through the duration mixing comfortably with the common folk.

I don't agree with some of her initiatives, but she's been effective at making changes instead of quietly collecting a check and keeping everything status quo.  She's managed to shake up the city and I can't say that's been 100% bad.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

The "Kaiser" river tax was a COUNTY tax so no, the Mayor was not the lead on it. She wasn't even a very big cheerleader of it.

What kind of revisionist B.S. is that? She was up to her neck in it. Talk about some sorry donkey spin.

[Gold]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

The "Kaiser" river tax was a COUNTY tax so no, the Mayor was not the lead on it. She wasn't even a very big cheerleader of it.

What kind of revisionist B.S. is that? She was up to her neck in it. Talk about some sorry donkey spin.

She really ran a half asssed campaign.  That's a fact.  Several people I talked to wondered if she really supported it.  It's not revisionist; my guess is that she was trying to figure out a way to spend a bunch of Kaiser's money and that was the only way.  

I once heard Bob Lawless talk about why TU built the new(ish) tennis facility.  He said he got a huge donation for tennis; he wanted to spend it on scholarships, but the doner said "Nope, Tennis."  That's often how thing work in philanthropy I gather.

Something was always screwy with the way that whole issue was presented. V2025 had some smart politics behind it, even if you hate the policy.  This was another controversial policy with really poor politics.

No doubt KT wanted the money spent in her city.  She also wanted Kaiser's money.  But she probably also knew about the other options on the table that appeared after the fact.

[Double A]

If Kathy Taylor runs as a Democrat she is toast. You can't win a Democratic primary if you can't carry North Tulsa, she won't. Even paying off influential leaders in that community for their support like she did last time won't help her win. North Tulsa will vote for an old yellow dog before they will vote for Kathy Taylor.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

The "Kaiser" river tax was a COUNTY tax so no, the Mayor was not the lead on it. She wasn't even a very big cheerleader of it.

What kind of revisionist B.S. is that? She was up to her neck in it. Talk about some sorry donkey spin.

She really ran a half asssed campaign.  That's a fact.  Several people I talked to wondered if she really supported it.  It's not revisionist; my guess is that she was trying to figure out a way to spend a bunch of Kaiser's money and that was the only way.  

I once heard Bob Lawless talk about why TU built the new(ish) tennis facility.  He said he got a huge donation for tennis; he wanted to spend it on scholarships, but the doner said "Nope, Tennis."  That's often how thing work in philanthropy I gather.

Something was always screwy with the way that whole issue was presented. V2025 had some smart politics behind it, even if you hate the policy.  This was another controversial policy with really poor politics.

No doubt KT wanted the money spent in her city.  She also wanted Kaiser's money.  But she probably also knew about the other options on the table that appeared after the fact.

Had it passed, you all would be singing quite a different tune, trying to give her all the credit for it's passage. Half assed? She wanted it to pass so bad she tried to bribe North Tulsa into supporting that boondoggle with promises of pools being opened, a familiar false promise that goes all the way back to the campaign trail that she still has yet to deliver. Nice try, toadies, but you won't get away with that rewrite of history.

[Gold]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

The "Kaiser" river tax was a COUNTY tax so no, the Mayor was not the lead on it. She wasn't even a very big cheerleader of it.

What kind of revisionist B.S. is that? She was up to her neck in it. Talk about some sorry donkey spin.

She really ran a half asssed campaign.  That's a fact.  Several people I talked to wondered if she really supported it.  It's not revisionist; my guess is that she was trying to figure out a way to spend a bunch of Kaiser's money and that was the only way.  

I once heard Bob Lawless talk about why TU built the new(ish) tennis facility.  He said he got a huge donation for tennis; he wanted to spend it on scholarships, but the doner said "Nope, Tennis."  That's often how thing work in philanthropy I gather.

Something was always screwy with the way that whole issue was presented. V2025 had some smart politics behind it, even if you hate the policy.  This was another controversial policy with really poor politics.

No doubt KT wanted the money spent in her city.  She also wanted Kaiser's money.  But she probably also knew about the other options on the table that appeared after the fact.

Had it passed, you all would be singing quite a different tune, trying to give her all the credit for it's passage. Half assed? She wanted it to pass so bad she tried to bribe North Tulsa into supporting that boondoggle with promises of pools being opened, a familiar false promise that goes all the way back to the campaign trail that she still has yet to deliver. Nice try, toadies, but you won't get away with that rewrite of history.

I'm no toadie.  I didn't vote for her the first time.  But I'll probably weight your opinion a little less in the future after that nonsense.

They didn't run a smart campaign.  North Tulsa wasn't what mattered -- the outlying parts county, especially Broken Arrow, were much more important.  V2025 was a pig cookout -- everybody got some pork.  That's smart politics (policy debateable).  THe River Tax was poorly though out, even down to the name.  She had to know all this; like her or dislike her, she's smart about these things.

[Gaspar]

Yes RiverTax was a huge failure for many reasons.  

The organization of where the money was coming from and where it was going was not balanced.  There were very clear winners and losers.

The marketing was the absolute worst I have ever seen, bar none.  I can't stress this enough!  There were people who are normally TulsaTax yes-men/women who were turned off by the ads.  I can't even imagine what they were thinking. [:O]

Did they have a professional firm working with them for the promotion?

I think if they had reworked the plan, made it less overwhelming in scope and more inclusive to the surrounding communities, and used honest, humble advertising to ask for votes, it would have passed with ease.

The plan was an iceberg, and the "Your children will suffer if you don't vote yes" tactic was a secondary shot that helped sink that ship!

[Gold]

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

Yes RiverTax was a huge failure for many reasons.  

The organization of where the money was coming from and where it was going was not balanced.  There were very clear winners and losers.

The marketing was the absolute worst I have ever seen, bar none.  I can't stress this enough!  There were people who are normally TulsaTax yes-men/women who were turned off by the ads.  I can't even imagine what they were thinking. [:O]

Did they have a professional firm working with them for the promotion?

I think if they had reworked the plan, made it less overwhelming in scope and more inclusive to the surrounding communities, and used honest, humble advertising to ask for votes, it would have passed with ease.

The plan was an iceberg, and the "Your children will suffer if you don't vote yes" tactic was a secondary shot that helped sink that ship!

Exactly.  There was at least one very established Oklahoma group helping the marketing.  From talking to one of their main guys, something was off with the whole thing.

It felt more like the effort you'd put forth for something easier like a church silent auction, rallying the troops a couple of weeks before (because that's all you really need for that).  Looking back on it, the effort was never enough.

Maybe they just ran a bad campaign.  But a lot of the people involved were well aware of what it would take.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

If Kathy Taylor runs as a Democrat she is toast. You can't win a Democratic primary if you can't carry North Tulsa, she won't. Even paying off influential leaders in that community for their support like she did last time won't help her win. North Tulsa will vote for an old yellow dog before they will vote for Kathy Taylor.

KT wins democratic primary by 60% or more. $100. You in?

[Gold]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by Double A

If Kathy Taylor runs as a Democrat she is toast. You can't win a Democratic primary if you can't carry North Tulsa, she won't. Even paying off influential leaders in that community for their support like she did last time won't help her win. North Tulsa will vote for an old yellow dog before they will vote for Kathy Taylor.

KT wins democratic primary by 60% or more. $100. You in?

Can I get some that action, too? I'd be surprised if any Democrat ran against her.  Not enough unused resources to even think about winning that primary.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by Double A

If Kathy Taylor runs as a Democrat she is toast. You can't win a Democratic primary if you can't carry North Tulsa, she won't. Even paying off influential leaders in that community for their support like she did last time won't help her win. North Tulsa will vote for an old yellow dog before they will vote for Kathy Taylor.

KT wins democratic primary by 60% or more. $100. You in?

I'll take that action, if she decides she wants another four years of abuse.