City Council - Driller Vote on July 10

[MDepr2007]

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

quote:Originally posted by MDepr2007

quote:Originally posted by dsjeffries

You need help.  End of discussion.

I can't wait to go for a stroll downtown, accidentally catch a baseball game and then wander over to the Living Arts Center in the Mathews Warehouse before getting some delicious chocolates from CFC Chocolatier.

Ok but whats a straight white guy supposed to do after the game besides get a drink with the kids.

Uh, drink a beer with the wife?

Marriage! thats so un-downtownish

[FOTD]

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectID=11&articleID=20080713_11_A4_spancl177563

"They're asking for some things we can't get without an active contract," he said.

The devil had warned you of Crowley.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectID=11&articleID=20080713_11_A1_spancl864930
"The last thing we want is seedy stuff around the stadium." Oh, the irony.

And this!
"Fred Dorwart, Tulsa attorney. He represented the interest of the Bank of Oklahoma in a lawsuit and settlement over a $7.1 million defaulted loan connected to the defunct Great Plains Airline.
Margaret Kobos, an attorney who joined Dorwart's firm this year. Prior to that she was an attorney with the Bank of Oklahoma."

FB, you are onto something. But leave the personal attacks out of it.

Does anyone know who the T Town Clowns were?

The devil thinks this does soil over the Tulsa Race Riot.....

"The city of Tulsa, Oklahoma is haunted by untreated wounds suffered
in a past trauma – the 1921 Tulsa race riot, war and massacre of African
American men, women and children in the Greenwood business and
residential community. The Tulsa Reparations Coalition is appealing
to individuals and organizations that believe in human rights and know
that an injustice to one is an injustice to all. We are inviting you to do
your part in securing justice for the victims and living survivors of the
1921 Tulsa devastation."
Tulsa Reparations Coalition

As much as the devil advocates this ballpark, the city better be damn careful who they screw and who they alienate in their elitist process.

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by MDepr2007

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

quote:Originally posted by MDepr2007

quote:Originally posted by dsjeffries

You need help.  End of discussion.

I can't wait to go for a stroll downtown, accidentally catch a baseball game and then wander over to the Living Arts Center in the Mathews Warehouse before getting some delicious chocolates from CFC Chocolatier.

Ok but whats a straight white guy supposed to do after the game besides get a drink with the kids.

Uh, drink a beer with the wife?

Marriage! thats so un-downtownish

Well if it were legal for more of us....[8D]

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by USRufnex

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

RUN for your car!

Boy, that really says it all...... you really could care less about Brady, Blue Dome, etc... and you truly couldn't be more clueless about crime in Tulsa when you make a blanket statement like that.

Now, show us your true face again, and post another joke about the jews and George Kaiser... [!]

Error noted in your joke reference.

I used the Singular Form; NOT the Plural form.

[Renaissance]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectID=11&articleID=20080713_11_A4_spancl177563

"They're asking for some things we can't get without an active contract," he said.

The devil had warned you of Crowley.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectID=11&articleID=20080713_11_A1_spancl864930
"The last thing we want is seedy stuff around the stadium." Oh, the irony.

And this!
"Fred Dorwart, Tulsa attorney. He represented the interest of the Bank of Oklahoma in a lawsuit and settlement over a $7.1 million defaulted loan connected to the defunct Great Plains Airline.
Margaret Kobos, an attorney who joined Dorwart's firm this year. Prior to that she was an attorney with the Bank of Oklahoma."

FB, you are onto something. But leave the personal attacks out of it.

Does anyone know who the T Town Clowns were?

The devil thinks this does soil over the Tulsa Race Riot.....

"The city of Tulsa, Oklahoma is haunted by untreated wounds suffered
in a past trauma – the 1921 Tulsa race riot, war and massacre of African
American men, women and children in the Greenwood business and
residential community. The Tulsa Reparations Coalition is appealing
to individuals and organizations that believe in human rights and know
that an injustice to one is an injustice to all. We are inviting you to do
your part in securing justice for the victims and living survivors of the
1921 Tulsa devastation."
Tulsa Reparations Coalition

As much as the devil advocates this ballpark, the city better be damn careful who they screw and who they alienate in their elitist process.

Agree.  For once.  This smells just a bit.

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Rico

Originally posted by Double A.
"I wonder if Manhattan will have representatives serving?"


Dunno..... Might call the Vatican and ask.

Wonder if a Rooney would answer the phone?

Calling Ambassador to the Vatican Francis Rooney.................

Francis Rooney is CEO of Rooney Holdings, Inc., an investment and holding company based in Naples, Florida, with administrative offices in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

Rooney Holdings emerged from nowhere to become one of the GOP's biggest donors during the last election, upping its campaign contributions from just $11,000 during the 2002 cycle to more than $500,000 in 2004.

Thanks to his fund-raising efforts, Rooney himself was among the few individuals named as both a Bush Ranger, having raised at least $200,000 for the president's re-election, and a Super Ranger (among the elite donors who raised another $300,000 for the Republican National Committee).

Rooney is the majority owner of Manhattan Construction Company, the fourth generation of his family to own that company.

Manhattan Construction built the Oklahoma State Capitol, the George Bush Presidential Library, the Cato Institute headquarters, the Prayer Tower and other structures on the Oral Roberts University and is building part of the new visitors' center at the United States Capitol.

The subsidiary won an estimated $100 million in Pentagon contracts in 2003, nearly four times the amount the company won in 2002, according to the Center for Public Integrity.

A Georgetown University and Georgetown Law graduate, Rooney is a member of the Advisory Board of the Panama Canal Authority. Georgetown Univ. is run by the Jesuit Order.

Rooney and his wife have served on the boards of many charitable organizations, and he is a Knight of Malta.

Does this mean that a $500K investment in GWBush, Inc. nets his company $100 million in Pentagon contracts.

Just a coincidence?

I just cannot understand why he wasn't picked for Ambassador to Israel.....

[:I]

You know FB, it would lend credibility to your arguments if you did not cast hate comments veiled in jokes.

Instead, you might add Rooney is the second largest stockholder in BOK. See, now that displays more crediblilty to conflicts of interest and Banana Republic control.

If you keep up the intolerant rant, however, the devil will advocate you looking into certain attorney's backgrounds with regard to associations with bigots.....

I bet that John Hope Franklin Recon Center site will belong to the Tulsa Parking Authority once they can scale back the eventual design to a postage stamp building or fountain and move it up the block....our dark history of hate must be obscured. Black Wall Street be gone. Batter up.

[MDepr2007]

I find it hard to understand that so many here still beleive in the fairy tale that came about last Thursday evening.

The lack of detail in the hurried sketches of a ballark should help some figure it out []

[sgrizzle]

How much detail do you expect when no-one has even paid an architect yet?

[Rico]

Sgrizz.... please if not for the "Drama Queens" building a ball park or paying an old debt would be so mundane....

They remind me of the little black preacher that used to be on the Main mall every day.....

"Repent or the world will come to an end...! The Devil works in many mysterious ways....!"
[}:)]

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Rico

Originally posted by Double A.
"I wonder if Manhattan will have representatives serving?"


Dunno..... Might call the Vatican and ask.

Wonder if a Rooney would answer the phone?

Calling Ambassador to the Vatican Francis Rooney.................

Francis Rooney is CEO of Rooney Holdings, Inc., an investment and holding company based in Naples, Florida, with administrative offices in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

Rooney Holdings emerged from nowhere to become one of the GOP's biggest donors during the last election, upping its campaign contributions from just $11,000 during the 2002 cycle to more than $500,000 in 2004.

Thanks to his fund-raising efforts, Rooney himself was among the few individuals named as both a Bush Ranger, having raised at least $200,000 for the president's re-election, and a Super Ranger (among the elite donors who raised another $300,000 for the Republican National Committee).

Rooney is the majority owner of Manhattan Construction Company, the fourth generation of his family to own that company.

Manhattan Construction built the Oklahoma State Capitol, the George Bush Presidential Library, the Cato Institute headquarters, the Prayer Tower and other structures on the Oral Roberts University and is building part of the new visitors' center at the United States Capitol.

The subsidiary won an estimated $100 million in Pentagon contracts in 2003, nearly four times the amount the company won in 2002, according to the Center for Public Integrity.

A Georgetown University and Georgetown Law graduate, Rooney is a member of the Advisory Board of the Panama Canal Authority. Georgetown Univ. is run by the Jesuit Order.

Rooney and his wife have served on the boards of many charitable organizations, and he is a Knight of Malta.

Does this mean that a $500K investment in GWBush, Inc. nets his company $100 million in Pentagon contracts.

Just a coincidence?

I just cannot understand why he wasn't picked for Ambassador to Israel.....

[:I]

You know FB, it would lend credibility to your arguments if you did not cast hate comments veiled in jokes.

Instead, you might add Rooney is the second largest stockholder in BOK. See, now that displays more crediblilty to conflicts of interest and Banana Republic control.

If you keep up the intolerant rant, however, the devil will advocate you looking into certain attorney's backgrounds with regard to associations with bigots.....

I bet that John Hope Franklin Recon Center site will belong to the Tulsa Parking Authority once they can scale back the eventual design to a postage stamp building or fountain and move it up the block....our dark history of hate must be obscured. Black Wall Street be gone. Batter up.

It's All a puzzle.

[]

[MDepr2007]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

How much detail do you expect when no-one has even paid an architect yet?

Then why $60 million?   Everyone building a minor ballpark this year and last kept it under $40 million.

The council wanted to bring up Memphis over and over but Memphis built a pro ball stadium and it cost more than $60 million 8 years ago. No way is Tulsa going to get close to what they have. Many other new parks are close to waterways , Tulsa gets the expressway.
Midland is built next to a football/soccer stadium in what is a true sports complex. Which has problems too :Dec. 2007 Article

Link to 2007 ballpark changes

Oh and something Memphis has for downtown development Tulsa doesn't DIRECTION and more history of course.

[sgrizzle]

Just noticed something..

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle on 6/30

It's an erector set, fold it up and install it somewhere else. Give it to Jenks as a consolation prize.

quote:Spoken by Double_A in council meeting on 7/10

... as I understand it's just a giant erector set, why not move it?

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

Just noticed something..

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle on 6/30

It's an erector set, fold it up and install it somewhere else. Give it to Jenks as a consolation prize.

quote:Spoken by Double_A in council meeting on 7/10

... as I understand it's just a giant erector set, why not move it?

This might shed some light on that:

After looking at new stadiums in Indianapolis; Toledo, Ohio; Memphis; and Oklahoma City, Taylor estimated a stadium construction price tag at around $70 million.

"It would be a ballpark figure," she said with a smile. "I'm sorry; I couldn't resist."

"At least in my lifetime, this is the only stadium we're going to build in Tulsa," she said. "The only one we will build while I'm the mayor. So we want to make sure we build it right."

Queen Kathy's quote

Da Mare had to have a brand new stadium to satisfy her champagne tastes and her elitist ego, while  many Tulsans can barely afford a beer budget. Why worry about minimizing costs when you are spending other peoples money?

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by SXSW

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

quote:Originally posted by Floyd
They already bid it out--Manhattan Construction is building the thing.  I think their bid basically included a donation, so they came in cheapest.  Manhattan did a hell of a job on Memorial Stadium for OU; they're defintely capable of building great stadiums.

I think Manhattan will do a great job. They do good work. I heard they were selected and then decided to donate a million dollars to the project. I think they really wanted to be part of such an important project.

Manhattan and Flintco are pretty much the go-to companies for medium and large construction projects in Oklahoma.  Which is great because both are family-owned companies with deep Oklahoma roots and both are based in Tulsa.  Both are also multi-billion dollar companies with branch offices in many other states (and Manhattan even has one in Mexico City).

And, both receive NO BID contracts from Title 60 Pubic Trusts.

In 1973, Flinto received a NO-BID contract to build the Performing Arts Center.  

ONLY A 30% COST OVERRUN.

In a short 30 years later in 2003, didn't Flint-Rooney receive a NO-BID contract to build the Kaiser BOK Arena?

Tulsa VISION Builders.  Why compete.  

Divide and Conquer!

Hmmmmh???

What was THEIR cost overrrun?

50%?

What was their cost overrun on the State Capitol Dome?

For 70 years, Oklahomans had NO DOME on our State Capitol?

I ALWAYS felt soooooo inferior to other states that had a dome on their state capitol.

Finally, I can now feel MUCH better now that 100% cost overruns have been delivered to the Tulsa Oligarch Familias.

And, we have a DOME.

Much better.

Much.

Old Chrome Dome Gov. Frank Keating arranged a Dome on the state capitol.

I saw it recently, and I was positively:  Inspired.

Lifted up.

Exhuberant.

P.S. Will Anyone hold the Flint-Skin/Looney Rooney Tune Oligarch Families accountable, because they recycle 1% of their ill-gotten gains to pass new tax initiatives and tax renewals?

HOW pubic spirited!

And, their quality?

A word comes to mind:

Scheise.

Dreck.

Aktuel Scheise, mein Kamaraden:

Does our City of Tulsa Publik Werkes management know that to criticize their substandard construction is a Career-Ender?

Auf Wiedersen, bubi!  

Good-bye Tulsa.  Hello Duluth.

Alles ist Kaput!

Gott bless that Pubic Spurtedness!

Say, who constructed our Mold Ridden Tulsa City Hall?

Flint-Skins, or Looney-Rooney Tunes?

And, just TODAY, didn't the Manhattan/Rooney Tune Oligarchia Familia receive a NO-BID contract to construct the new Driller Stadium in the 'hood.

A $30 million Drillers baseball stadium for only:

$60 million.

What a DEAL!

I'm thinking of changing religions.

Do I have enough money to receive a catachism?

Teh-heh.

Keep Praying, and old WKW will be prayed up from the 7th Circle of Hell.  

Someday.

I'm SURE of it.

With enough prayer, based on his level of sins, he might make it up to Purgatory in about:

Oh say.....

One Thousand Years.

Pray HARDER.

And, keep the Money and the Concrete flowing.

That WILL help.  

Them.

[}:)]

Christ, what a train wreck that post is.

But unlike the real thing, it's a boring train wreck.

You'd think after the beating you took from your lack of knowledge of baseball and the Texas League, you'd back off. A smarter man would. But, no.

Why don't you take your brand of crazy over to the Voice of Tulsa, freerepublic.com or Bates' blog? They seem a lot more tolerant of nutcases over there.

Over here, people know you're just an insane old crank.

People know you are Lorton boot licker, a Whirled employee who continues to be their loyal lackey even though they took a big fat dump all over wifey and many of your other esteemed colleagues. BTW, the Whirled can't afford to keep their valued employees on staff, but they can afford to donate at least $100,000 to this stadium?

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

How much detail do you expect when no-one has even paid an architect yet?

Considering that, I certainly wouldn't expect the construction contracts to have already been awarded.