City Council - Driller Vote on July 10

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

Does this make sense to anyone?
http://krmg.com/localnews/2008/07/greenwood-ballpark-concerns.html

The "north Tulsa leaders" are concerned that the ballpark will steal the thunder of the Greenwood district. Essentially making the Greenwood a "footnote" in the area.  What is it now?

How many people here have been to any store in that little strip that is left of Greenwood?  I've driven by it, I think it looks neat.  But have never been given a reason to stop.  It IS a footnote.  Hell, it's a footnote of a footnote, a non-entity for most people.  This ballpark could raise it to the level of footnote, bring some life to the area.

Also, how low are your taxes when an increase of 1 penny per Sq Foot raises your tax rate 800%?  

I don't get it.

That's the funniest thing I've ever heard.  Greenwood unfortunately has been in a downward spiral for quite some time.  I think with the right leadership it could be a nice destination area for Tulsa, but the very people who fight to protect it, fight to protect it from ever being successful.

We are offering a new lease on the life of the Greenwood area, and they are upset because it's not free. I'm sorry, but you have to be willing to invest to be successful.  

The math here is flawed too. 800% of what?

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by TulsaSooner

They can't build the John Hope Franklin memorial because they don't have enough money and apparently haven't had enough for some time now.

The Mayor and Stan Lybarger, in the Council meeting yesterday, committed to personally raising the remaining $750k to get the memorial done.

Maybe if the Mayor had made funding the Memorial a priority during her lobbying efforts at the state capitol, like she did for the low water dams, she wouldn't need to promise raise the funds personally now to sugar coat this Ballpark deal.

[RecycleMichael]

quote:Originally posted by Double A
Maybe if the Mayor had made funding the Memorial a priority during her lobbying efforts at the state capitol, like she did for the low water dams, she wouldn't need to promise raise the funds personally now to sugar coat this Ballpark deal.

How do you she didn't? Do you know all the things that were asked?

You are unbelievable. You can take anything and turn it negative against her. She helped convince the state to give us millions, then offered to privately raise money for another project, yet you feel compelled to attack without any knowledge.

You need help.

[sgrizzle]

Driller's Stadium is the best thing to happen to greenwood and will accelerate it's development decades sooner. Peeing on it seems completely anti-greenwood to me. Imagine if 71st protested that pesky mall.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

quote:Originally posted by Double A
Maybe if the Mayor had made funding the Memorial a priority during her lobbying efforts at the state capitol, like she did for the low water dams, she wouldn't need to promise raise the funds personally now to sugar coat this Ballpark deal.

How do you she didn't? Do you know all the things that were asked?

You are unbelievable. You can take anything and turn it negative against her. She helped convince the state to give us millions, then offered to privately raise money for another project, yet you feel compelled to attack without any knowledge.

You need help.

Evidently, the low water dams were a higher priority.

[booWorld]

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar


The math here is flawed too. 800% of what?

According to today's Tulsa World, of $51.

But 800% of $51 is $408.

The World article states that the assessment on Jim Goodwin's property would increase $1,593.  That's a 3123% increase.

There must be a flaw in these numbers, but I think the City Council will approve the new assessments tonight regardless.  

quote:


Jim Goodwin, publisher of the Oklahoma Eagle, complained about the assessment hike. According to records, last year he was charged $51 for 25,294 square feet. Under the new rate the assessment would be $1,644.

[RecycleMichael]

My math was incorrect because I only used his building, not his property.

But the amount his assessment will go up is minimal compared to how much his property value is going to increase.

The day that ballpark opens  the value of his property goes up tens of thousands of dollars, if not more.

If he doesn't want to help build downtown Tulsa...fine. Sell me the property. I will pay whatever the number the county tax assessor says is the value is on the books right now.

For him, of all people, to be opposed to this development, is stupid.

[cannon_fodder]

To bring the issue up again:  do we know who these donors are?

Generally, when someone or a company is going to give tens of millions for a project - they shout it from the rooftop.  Why the hush hush?  Even if the funds are contingent on the tax passing, they could still come forward.  Just seems odd, I wonder who it is.

[Renaissance]

I'm very curious who the donors are as well.  The only information on this I've seen comes from Urban Tulsa, and it basically includes the usual suspects:

"The Williams Companies, ONEOK, Bank of Oklahoma, PSO, the Tulsa World and the Kaiser Family Foundation are among the contributors."

http://www.urbantulsa.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A23756

Odd--don't the rules of journalism a disclosure by the Tulsa World in its stories that it is contributing toward the project?  You'd think they'd be happy to trumpet this fact.

[cannon_fodder]

Who owns land in that area?  Unfortunately, knowing Tulsa politics I wouldn't be surprised if there is a tie in.  Not that I really care, the result will still be what I want - so long as the deal is kept in the open.

FB - make yourself useful, go explore this new possible conspiracy!

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

Who owns land in that area?  Unfortunately, knowing Tulsa politics I wouldn't be surprised if there is a tie in.  Not that I really care, the result will still be what I want - so long as the deal is kept in the open.

FB - make yourself useful, go explore this new possible conspiracy!

Michael Sager and David Sharp each have a ton of property in the area, and own a lot of it if not most of the area.

[MDepr2007]

Ever wonder why we don't get a Pizza Hut Park or a Verizon Park . Why great ideas are lost to local BOK type endeavors [}:)]

OKC is kicking our tails with concerts and most of them are at their Zoo.
Gee wasn't Tulsa going to have an Amphitheater a few years ago but the bullies didn't want us to have it. Could have been Tulsa instead but of course the people didn't have a say again did they[B)]

[TURobY]

Document posted by Tulsa World

List of ballpark donors released

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

My math was incorrect because I only used his building, not his property.

But the amount his assessment will go up is minimal compared to how much his property value is going to increase.

The day that ballpark opens  the value of his property goes up tens of thousands of dollars, if not more.

If he doesn't want to help build downtown Tulsa...fine. Sell me the property. I will pay whatever the number the county tax assessor says is the value is on the books right now.

For him, of all people, to be opposed to this development, is stupid.

Maybe you could get Kathy Taylor to set up a new Trust and buy it for you at the taxpayers expense?

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by TURobY

Document posted by Tulsa World

List of ballpark donors released

looks like the usual Kaiser clique.  The "major" donors for this town is an awful short list.