Pickens Plan...

[AdamsHall]

Likewise, TBP (he reminds me of Supreme Chancellor Palpatine) is not one of my favorites, but I am a fan of this plan, which by the way has been around for a number of years.  However, I don't believe this plan can be the entire solution to our energy related problems as was suggested by someone above, but it certainly appears to be a logical/practical way to begin addressing the problem(s).

[we vs us]

Sooo . . .  what's he running for?  That commercial is put together exactly like a campaign spot, even down to the "Paid for by T Boone Pickens" title at the bottom of the screen.

What gives?

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

Sooo . . .  what's he running for?  That commercial is put together exactly like a campaign spot, even down to the "Paid for by T Boone Pickens" title at the bottom of the screen.

What gives?

Governor Pickens? His aggie support, his swiftboating adventures and his oil background makes sure he carries all but central Oklahoma.

[cannon_fodder]

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

Sooo . . .  what's he running for?  That commercial is put together exactly like a campaign spot, even down to the "Paid for by T Boone Pickens" title at the bottom of the screen.

What gives?

The federal subsidy on Wind Energy is renewable annually.  This year it was allowed to expire (funds never stopped flowing, it expired but funds were still approved until 2009) before it was renewed.  Given his investments, a firm federal support of this program will help get him investors as well as better rates.  The federal support in general is required for him to get the return he desires.

Also consider he wants to do this on a massive scale.  Assistance in land rights surely wouldn't hurt.  Nor would access to federal lands or easements to transmit his power.

And finally, it builds public demand for his product.  You can chock in an extra $1 on many utilities to buy wind power/encourage renewable energy.  If your power generation has no renewable and a few people start asking why they may buy power from T. Boone at a premium to appear green.

T. Boone's chances in politics are about as good as OSU's in the Big 12 football race.  He has other business oriented motives IMHO.  Either that or he is being honest and is concerned about mother Earth and/or the security or economics of our nation.

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

Sooo . . .  what's he running for?  That commercial is put together exactly like a campaign spot, even down to the "Paid for by T Boone Pickens" title at the bottom of the screen.

What gives?

He's not running.  He's sunk millions and millions into the development of a wind farm and the company in Germany that builds the huge dynamo generators.  He's just advertising for his new investment.  He's a business man.

[we vs us]

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

Sooo . . .  what's he running for?  That commercial is put together exactly like a campaign spot, even down to the "Paid for by T Boone Pickens" title at the bottom of the screen.

What gives?

He's not running.  He's sunk millions and millions into the development of a wind farm and the company in Germany that builds the huge dynamo generators.  He's just advertising for his new investment.  He's a business man.

Well, yeah . . . but why not be glossier about it?  If it's a business, sell it like it's a business.  If he's lobbying the government, hire lobbyists where it'll do the most good. The commercial and his campaign come off like it's selling HIM.

I'm not quibbling with his plan; it's good enough, and definitely somewhere solid to start. He just seems to be working the political angle curiously hard.

A possible play for the Republican VP slot . . . .?

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

Sooo . . .  what's he running for?  That commercial is put together exactly like a campaign spot, even down to the "Paid for by T Boone Pickens" title at the bottom of the screen.

What gives?

He's not running.  He's sunk millions and millions into the development of a wind farm and the company in Germany that builds the huge dynamo generators.  He's just advertising for his new investment.  He's a business man.

Well, yeah . . . but why not be glossier about it?  If it's a business, sell it like it's a business.  If he's lobbying the government, hire lobbyists where it'll do the most good. The commercial and his campaign come off like it's selling HIM.

I'm not quibbling with his plan; it's good enough, and definitely somewhere solid to start. He just seems to be working the political angle curiously hard.

A possible play for the Republican VP slot . . . .?

He needs to sell himself. The idea of wind farms is not new, the idea of "The T Boone Pickens wind farm brought to you by T Boone Pickens" is what he is selling. He is consistently trying to convince people to let him invest their money because he knows what is best.

[jackbristow]

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

Sooo . . .  what's he running for?  That commercial is put together exactly like a campaign spot, even down to the "Paid for by T Boone Pickens" title at the bottom of the screen.

What gives?

He's not running.  He's sunk millions and millions into the development of a wind farm and the company in Germany that builds the huge dynamo generators.  He's just advertising for his new investment.  He's a business man.

Well, yeah . . . but why not be glossier about it?  If it's a business, sell it like it's a business.  If he's lobbying the government, hire lobbyists where it'll do the most good. The commercial and his campaign come off like it's selling HIM.

I'm not quibbling with his plan; it's good enough, and definitely somewhere solid to start. He just seems to be working the political angle curiously hard.

A possible play for the Republican VP slot . . . .?

This is not about money or politics.  Pickens is already a successful businessman.  He is trying to solve our country's energy problem.  The politicians aren't doing it.  He is trying to make it happen.

Go to the site and watch his videos if you are curious about his motives http://www.pickensplan.com/media/.  Sign up and help make this happen.  We all need for this to happen.

[jackbristow]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

Sooo . . .  what's he running for?  That commercial is put together exactly like a campaign spot, even down to the "Paid for by T Boone Pickens" title at the bottom of the screen.

What gives?

He's not running.  He's sunk millions and millions into the development of a wind farm and the company in Germany that builds the huge dynamo generators.  He's just advertising for his new investment.  He's a business man.

Well, yeah . . . but why not be glossier about it?  If it's a business, sell it like it's a business.  If he's lobbying the government, hire lobbyists where it'll do the most good. The commercial and his campaign come off like it's selling HIM.

I'm not quibbling with his plan; it's good enough, and definitely somewhere solid to start. He just seems to be working the political angle curiously hard.

A possible play for the Republican VP slot . . . .?

He needs to sell himself. The idea of wind farms is not new, the idea of "The T Boone Pickens wind farm brought to you by T Boone Pickens" is what he is selling. He is consistently trying to convince people to let him invest their money because he knows what is best.

You got a better idea to solve our country's energy problems?

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by jackbristow


You got a better idea to solve our country's energy problems?

Everyone over 15 in mainland China on treadmills.

[we vs us]

quote:Originally posted by jackbristow
You got a better idea to solve our country's energy problems?

Easy, Tiger.  As stated, he's got a good first whack at the problem, and I think we can all agree that we need more of this (ie. problem solvers who solve problems, especially if our elected problem solvers have their thumbs up their butt).  I'm just curious/wary of his motives, which to me seem just a tad off.  Does this affect the legitimacy or importance of what he's trying to do?  No.  But it's worth knowing as much as you can about what -- and who -- you're signing up to support.

[cannon_fodder]

That's racist.  There's no reason the Indian's can't help too.

[Radio]

Outside of Dodge City Kansas there is a large wind energy farm.  Owned by KCPL I believe.  

I visited for a number of hours a few months ago, and was told by the director of the site that the problem they have is not generating the power, but getting that power to where it can be used.

He stated that often times, the grid is overloaded, so they are told to idle generators.

Seems the work to be done is not only on the generators, but the wires to get that power to the metros.

[jackbristow]

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

quote:Originally posted by jackbristow
You got a better idea to solve our country's energy problems?

Easy, Tiger.  As stated, he's got a good first whack at the problem, and I think we can all agree that we need more of this (ie. problem solvers who solve problems, especially if our elected problem solvers have their thumbs up their butt).  I'm just curious/wary of his motives, which to me seem just a tad off.  Does this affect the legitimacy or importance of what he's trying to do?  No.  But it's worth knowing as much as you can about what -- and who -- you're signing up to support.

If a person believes in something and thinks it is the answer to a problem, especially if it is a business venture, they'd be stupid not to invest in it.

How legit would Boone sound if he was touting this stuff and he hadn't already been investing in it?  The fact that he's invested in this stuff shows me that he believes in it and is backing what he says up with action.

If you're questioning his motives go to his website and watch him talking with Reid and others at the Congressional hearing.  Watch the other videos too.  He knows what he's talking about.

We need to make Pickens Plan reality in this country.

[Conan71]

Jack, read the following article and tell me you still think altruism is Pickens' motive.  

http://www.capitalideasonline.com/articles/index.php?id=2513

Two months ago, he was predicting $20/mcf natural gas this winter.  He's trying to manipulate the market in his favor, either through a promotional campaign or a Perot-esque independent candidacy.  I started a thread on politics if you care to read my theory on that.

Keep in mind, this is the same guy who bribed and bilked Phillips 66 shareholders while Phillips employees lost their jobs.

He's made a ton of money trading energy futures, mainly in the last ten years, and has bragged that he's made more trading energy than he ever made producing it.  If you happen to believe that energy traders are as much to blame as oil companies for high fuel prices, Pickens is part of the problem.  I think he's about played out his oil options and he needs to inflate NG.

He just about lost his donkey in the mid-1990's because he went too deep on natural gas and wound up having to sell off Mesa to stay afloat.  BP has extensive investments in gas and wind.  He stands to gain a fortune out of growth in those areas.

Anyone who has had business dealings with Pickens says he's strictly all about himself and maximizing profits.  He's interested in saving America, but he's got billions riding on it people will listen.