Democrat Oliver running against Sullivan

[Hometown]

Oliver seems to have taken a more conservative stance than Manly.  Manly's push for Cheney and Bush impeachments looks too far to the left for Oklahoma.  Does anybody know Oliver's position on HB 1804?  

I was disappointed to see that Jabar Shumate voted for HB 1804.  I had been planning on voting for him until I saw that.  I'm trying to find out Kevin Matthews' position on HB 1804 and other issues.

Does anyone know if Jim Rogers is a serious candidate?  I couldn't find anything on him.  Andrew Rice makes his support of HB 1804 a central point of his campaign.  That's like a Democrat supporting Jim Crow laws.  Not anymore Mr. Rice.

The only one on our little list I'm sure I'm going to feel good voting for is Judy McIntyre.  She called HB1804 mean spirited and voted against it.  Now there's a woman with guts.

I love gutsy women and can't tolerate men without character who walk all over innocent people for political gain.

[Conan71]

Personally, Oliver running here in Oklahoma makes little more sense than Keyes running for Senate in Ill.  Helps to have representation from people who actually have lived with and identified the needs of the state they wish to represent for $186,000 per year.

I guess the Democrats are content for Sullivan to stay in office.  If that's what they wanted, they could have just re-run Genteges. [}:)]

We don't need carpet-bagging manufactured politicians.

[RecycleMichael]

No doubleA. Being voted on by a couple of hundred party precinct officials at the county convention is not the same as being elected in a public election.

I guess you would consider American Idol to be a valid election as well. Meet President David Cook.

Four out of five dentists prefer sugarless gum for their patients who chew gum. I guess sugarless gum has been elected.

Didn't you support McCorkle for mayor? He was the President of the TU Young Republicans when he was in college. I guess that means you support elected republicans.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

No doubleA. Being voted on by a couple of hundred party precinct officials at the county convention is not the same as being elected in a public election.

I guess you would consider American Idol to be a valid election as well. Meet President David Cook.

Four out of five dentists prefer sugarless gum for their patients who chew gum. I guess sugarless gum has been elected.

Didn't you support McCorkle for mayor? He was the President of the TU Young Republicans when he was in college. I guess that means you support elected republicans.

My, you are really grasping. Your deep desperation is showing and your argument has devolved into a spin zone of incoherence and irrationality. You are pathetic. Do you ever feel ashamed that you are an executive director of a public trust and all you seem to have to do all day is sit on your fat donkey, surf the internet, and post deceptive spin on message boards? Does the mission statement of your public trust outline this as your job description? You have really cashed in on cronyism to be able to coast through your job like this. When you look up the definition of pork barrel politicians in the dictionary there should be a picture of Spincycle.

[Hometown]

Why don't you hatch one of your crazy opinion polls?  Who likes Recycle Michael and Who likes Double A?  

We don't all agree with everything he says, but Recycle Michael is a gentleman and knows how to get along with people.  You aren't and don't.  You've got a problem that has nothing to do with politics.  Now, get back to work.  Oh, I forgot you're a union man.  Well, why don't you go on a nice long break.

[FOTD]

quote:

We don't need carpet-bagging manufactured politicians.

Just Busheviks and Reepiglican sock puppies....

What in the world has Sully done for his constituents?

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

 Now, get back to work.  Oh, I forgot you're a union man.  Well, why don't you go on a nice long break.

Coffee-spitting laugh of the day...

Very clever HT

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

Why don�t you hatch one of your crazy opinion polls?  Who likes Recycle Michael and Who likes Double A?  

We don�t all agree with everything he says, but Recycle Michael is a gentleman and knows how to get along with people.  You aren�t and don�t.  You�ve got a problem that has nothing to do with politics.  Now, get back to work.  Oh, I forgot you�re a union man.  Well, why don�t you go on a nice long break.

I thought you moved home to California. Gentleman? That's laughable, he talks all kinds of unprovoked trash, he started out this post attacking Manley as a one issue candidate when he is supporting the other candidate. Spincycle has made a career out of being a go along, get along guy, a crony, if you will. This cronyism has afforded him a do nothing job supported by a public trust, where he can sit on his fat donkey all day, surf the internet, and post on message boards. I am not surprised at all that you are naive enough to buy his PollyAnna, "can't we all just get along and be positive" act. I'd rather be an honest naysayer, than a dishonest cheerleader like Spincyle. Sorry if that doesn't fit into what you consider to be nice, not that I really care.

I am still waiting for you to come vandalize my property, like you have threatened, or is that just an empty threat from a gutless wonder? Drop by for a bite to eat sometime. I hope you like lead, cause that's what being served.

[tim huntzinger]

I hope Oliver makes it in the primary. I will be sure to get some signs for the yard.  If'n she does not make it I guess I will be a Manley man.

[Hometown]

Double A, If I remember correctly I said something like, if anyone deserved a potato in his tailpipe, it's you; that this isn't New York where you never see anyone again and you should act accordingly.  But because this is a forum for opinion I would respect the ground rules.  

But I do want to apologize to you.  You are human and have all the same needs and impulses as everyone else.  I would hope to change your mind on some subjects but otherwise I would not want to cause you to have any unpleasant feelings.

Retribution is not my style.

Anyway, the more I read about Oliver the more she looks to be a serious contender.  I still have some questions about her but I sure would like to see someone take out Sullivan.  He and Coburn are at the absolute bottom of the political barrel.

[Conan71]

From Manley's Bio:

"After working in manufacturing at the Port of Catoosa for  24
years, Mark was forced to find another career when the plant he worked for had massive
layoffs.  After some consideration, Mark chose the healthcare profession and has worked
for several years as a patient care technician at St. Francis Hospital, hoping to complete
his education in the nursing field. "

In other words, he's basically a nurse tech and sick of earning $13-$14 an hour.  How better to improve one's life than to jump into the lottery for a $186K per year job with lifetime benefits.  Yikes!

[tim huntzinger]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

From Manley's Bio:

"After working in manufacturing at the Port of Catoosa for  24
years, Mark was forced to find another career when the plant he worked for had massive
layoffs.  After some consideration, Mark chose the healthcare profession and has worked
for several years as a patient care technician at St. Francis Hospital, hoping to complete
his education in the nursing field. "

In other words, he's basically a nurse tech and sick of earning $13-$14 an hour.  How better to improve one's life than to jump into the lottery for a $186K per year job with lifetime benefits.  Yikes!

Is he married? Education? Interests? Been involved in politics before? Just looking at his vocation is fairly narrow.  Too bad the do-nothing GOP did not curb congressional benefits when they had they had the chance.

[PonderInc]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

No doubleA. Being voted on by a couple of hundred party precinct officials at the county convention is not the same as being elected in a public election.

I guess you would consider American Idol to be a valid election as well. Meet President David Cook.

Four out of five dentists prefer sugarless gum for their patients who chew gum. I guess sugarless gum has been elected.

Didn't you support McCorkle for mayor? He was the President of the TU Young Republicans when he was in college. I guess that means you support elected republicans.

My, you are really grasping. Your deep desperation is showing and your argument has devolved into a spin zone of incoherence and irrationality. You are pathetic. Do you ever feel ashamed that you are an executive director of a public trust and all you seem to have to do all day is sit on your fat donkey, surf the internet, and post deceptive spin on message boards? Does the mission statement of your public trust outline this as your job description? You have really cashed in on cronyism to be able to coast through your job like this. When you look up the definition of pork barrel politicians in the dictionary there should be a picture of Spincycle.

Could you guys please stop insulting each other?  (Or just exchange emails, and do it in private.)  I'm fine if y'all disagree, but insulting each other in every thread on this forum doesn't really add anything to the debate, and it annoys the crap out of people who care about the actual issues.  

I forget the official term, but there's a name for the fallacy of "attacking the man."  Instead of arguing against the point someone is making, you attack them personally as a way to discredit their stance.

Why don't we just agree to stick to the issues and lay off the personal attacks?  

Maybe everyone on this forum who hates each other could join a boxing club or something...and get it out of their systems offline.

Or, we could try a different rule: Don't post something in this forum that you wouldn't actually say to someone's face.  That might increase the civility.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

From Manley's Bio:

"After working in manufacturing at the Port of Catoosa for  24
years, Mark was forced to find another career when the plant he worked for had massive
layoffs.  After some consideration, Mark chose the healthcare profession and has worked
for several years as a patient care technician at St. Francis Hospital, hoping to complete
his education in the nursing field. "

In other words, he's basically a nurse tech and sick of earning $13-$14 an hour.  How better to improve one's life than to jump into the lottery for a $186K per year job with lifetime benefits.  Yikes!

Is he married? Education? Interests? Been involved in politics before? Just looking at his vocation is fairly narrow.  Too bad the do-nothing GOP did not curb congressional benefits when they had they had the chance.

"Attended OU".  Translates to college drop-out.  Not saying that makes him a bad guy, but his resume seems intentionally vague.

Here's what he stands for:

Mark Manley supports:

A quick and orderly withdrawal from Iraq.

Impeachment and/or prosecution of any member, or past member, of the
current administration or Congress who knowingly lied to the American
people about the threat of Saddam Hussein and the country of Iraq.

Universal health care for all citizens in order to bring U.S. life-expectancy in
line with that of  the other modern industrialized countries of the world.

A repeal of the Patriot Act and restoration of constitutional rights of privacy for
all Americans.

A repeal of the Military Commissions Act which suspends rights to a speedy
trial, rules out the use of the Geneva Conventions as a source of rights,
and denies the right of habeas corpus.

An end to torture and restoration of America's moral authority in the world.

Public financing of campaigns and public control of all media. We must work to
remove the influence of money, replacing it with ideas, in our political system.

Publicly-supported education through a four-year college.

An aggressive national policy on global warming to include alternative energy
and mass transit, two industries that will create new jobs and possibly end oil
dependence.

Ending the appeal of outsourcing by revisiting NAFTA and WTO and
requiring all companies importing goods to the U.S. to pay wages
comparable to living standards in our country and to support international
environmental standards.

He wants to quit lining the pockets of big business, yet wants the biggest business to keep lining it's own pockets: The U.S. Gov't.

He's also a peacenik and impeachment head:

The Manley campaign will focus on presenting a new documentary "Considering
Democracy" for discussion in various town hall type meetings.  Mark looks forward to
engaging regular folks in this, the most important election of our time.
According to Joni LeViness, Peace House~Tulsa Volunteer and Veteran Anti-war Activist
and Civil Disobedience resource in Tulsa, "Mark Manley embodies the spirit and the
energy of Woody Guthrie, Will Rogers and Dennis Kucinich!  It's a testament to the spirit
of democracy that still exists in the hearts of Oklahomans that he's willing to step up to
the plate!"

Mark is a member of Tulsa County Democrats, Democracy for America, United for Peace
and Justice and Tulsa Peace Fellowship.

I admire his passion, but he's already in over his head.  Not that Sullivan isn't. Why won't the Dems run a quality, home-grown opponent who has actually lived here all their life and not been involved in the beltway? [^]

Lastly, he's a sloppy dresser:

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by PonderInc

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

No doubleA. Being voted on by a couple of hundred party precinct officials at the county convention is not the same as being elected in a public election.

I guess you would consider American Idol to be a valid election as well. Meet President David Cook.

Four out of five dentists prefer sugarless gum for their patients who chew gum. I guess sugarless gum has been elected.

Didn't you support McCorkle for mayor? He was the President of the TU Young Republicans when he was in college. I guess that means you support elected republicans.

My, you are really grasping. Your deep desperation is showing and your argument has devolved into a spin zone of incoherence and irrationality. You are pathetic. Do you ever feel ashamed that you are an executive director of a public trust and all you seem to have to do all day is sit on your fat donkey, surf the internet, and post deceptive spin on message boards? Does the mission statement of your public trust outline this as your job description? You have really cashed in on cronyism to be able to coast through your job like this. When you look up the definition of pork barrel politicians in the dictionary there should be a picture of Spincycle.

Could you guys please stop insulting each other?  (Or just exchange emails, and do it in private.)  I'm fine if y'all disagree, but insulting each other in every thread on this forum doesn't really add anything to the debate, and it annoys the crap out of people who care about the actual issues.  

I forget the official term, but there's a name for the fallacy of "attacking the man."  Instead of arguing against the point someone is making, you attack them personally as a way to discredit their stance.

Why don't we just agree to stick to the issues and lay off the personal attacks?  

Maybe everyone on this forum who hates each other could join a boxing club or something...and get it out of their systems offline.

Or, we could try a different rule: Don't post something in this forum that you wouldn't actually say to someone's face.  That might increase the civility.

I'd say all this to his face, just for the record.