Don't Forget To Fire Randi Miller Today

[MichaelBates]

Conan, I am not and will not be a paid consultant to Sally Bell, but I think she'll make a good county commissioner, she'll work to make county government more transparent and accountable, and she won't try to saddle the taxpayers with another massive transfer of wealth from ordinary taxpayers to the construction industry, so I will volunteer to help her in any way I can. (And, no, I won't go to work for her at the county if she wins. I wouldn't like the pay cut or the loss of independence.)

Keith isn't running against Miller now, but since you think it's unfair for me to lump the two together, I think it's fair to ask this question: Of Randi Miller's significant policy decisions during her six years in office, which ones does Karen Keith disagree with?

I can't leave this statement alone:

quote:Originally posted by Conan71



I'm astounded at the amount of public money committed and spent in the last five years, including the deal for OTC and new Driller's Park.

Sure there's been a lot of public money spent, but weren't we promised that Vision 2025 would  generate private investment?

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by MichaelBates

Conan, I am not and will not be a paid consultant to Sally Bell, but I think she'll make a good county commissioner, she'll work to make county government more transparent and accountable, and she won't try to saddle the taxpayers with another massive transfer of wealth from ordinary taxpayers to the construction industry, so I will volunteer to help her in any way I can. (And, no, I won't go to work for her at the county if she wins. I wouldn't like the pay cut or the loss of independence.)

Keith isn't running against Miller now, but since you think it's unfair for me to lump the two together, I think it's fair to ask this question: Of Randi Miller's significant policy decisions during her six years in office, which ones does Karen Keith disagree with?

I can't leave this statement alone:

quote:Originally posted by Conan71



I'm astounded at the amount of public money committed and spent in the last five years, including the deal for OTC and new Driller's Park.

Sure there's been a lot of public money spent, but weren't we promised that Vision 2025 would  generate private investment?

Oooh Snap! You go grrl.

[tim huntzinger]

quote:Originally posted by MichaelBates

Of Randi Miller's significant policy decisions during her six years in office, which ones does Karen Keith disagree with?

Ditto for Sullivan. He supported the River Tax and every other stupid make-work project the GOP has been behind as Miller.  Inhofe same thing. Miller was scapegoated because she mishandled their nefarious deeds, including that GOP money to ORU for the TCGOP. Funny how when pusch comes to shove you all will forget and just stand in line behind the candidate.

Michael, next time you see Sullivan or Inhofe, will you please ask them where they stood on each issue that you all want to try and hang on Miller, and then get back to us?

[Sangria]

quote:Originally posted by patric

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

Manhattan Construction has been around 100 years.

And dont forget Flintco.  They cant design lighting worth a craap (as evident by the fairgrounds floodlights, for example).

Apparently you don't know much about construction.

Flintco and Manhatten are construction companies - that's what they do.

This is what happens :

Someone wants a building so they hire architects to design it. The owner gives them a basic idea of what they want it to be like and the architects take over from there.

Once they settle on a design a construction company is hired to get it built.

The lighting at the fair grounds you hate so much? That was designed by an architect so if it sucks then it's because the architect made a bad design. The construction company simply builds what is on the plans.

[Sangria]

As for Randi Miller - at my poles she got 24 out of 200 votes. Of those 200 votes 28 voted for no one and most of the rest said a vote for Bell was a vote against Miller.

I think bell should get her victory dance over with now because Karen Keith is going to be hard to beat.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Sangria

quote:Originally posted by patric

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

Manhattan Construction has been around 100 years.

And dont forget Flintco.  They cant design lighting worth a craap (as evident by the fairgrounds floodlights, for example).

Apparently you don't know much about construction.

Flintco and Manhatten are construction companies - that's what they do.

This is what happens :

Someone wants a building so they hire architects to design it. The owner gives them a basic idea of what they want it to be like and the architects take over from there.

Once they settle on a design a construction company is hired to get it built.

The lighting at the fair grounds you hate so much? That was designed by an architect so if it sucks then it's because the architect made a bad design. The construction company simply builds what is on the plans.

Maybe in private industry construction projects, things are supposed to work that way, but I think that when it comes to government projects, the CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES invent the project in order to stay busy.

The Construction Companies prepare the script for their pimping, pandering, paid, political prostitutes that they periodically rent, get the Lorton's World to endorse another local government spending scheme, get press releases prepared for local Channel 862 to run with, bankroll the new tax initiative with unlimited campaign financing limits, deploy their associated crony sub-contractors, vendors and suppliers to kick in some campaign dollars, and then count the votes election nite at the Tulsa County Election Board.

That's how it REALLY works.

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Sangria

quote:Originally posted by patric

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

Manhattan Construction has been around 100 years.

And dont forget Flintco.  They cant design lighting worth a craap (as evident by the fairgrounds floodlights, for example).

Apparently you don't know much about construction.

Flintco and Manhatten are construction companies - that's what they do.

This is what happens :

Someone wants a building so they hire architects to design it. The owner gives them a basic idea of what they want it to be like and the architects take over from there.

Once they settle on a design a construction company is hired to get it built.

The lighting at the fair grounds you hate so much? That was designed by an architect so if it sucks then it's because the architect made a bad design. The construction company simply builds what is on the plans.

Maybe in private industry construction projects, things are supposed to work that way, but I think that when it comes to government projects, the CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES invent the project in order to stay busy.

The Construction Companies prepare the script for their pimping, pandering, paid, political prostitutes that they periodically rent, get the Lorton's World to endorse another local government spending scheme, get press releases prepared for local Channel 862 to run with, bankroll the new tax initiative with unlimited campaign financing limits, deploy their associated crony sub-contractors, vendors and suppliers to kick in some campaign dollars, and then count the votes election nite at the Tulsa County Election Board.

That's how it REALLY works.

Reminds me of my ex-wife.  All I really hear when she spoke to me was 'blah blah blah blah' in monotone.

FB has that same effect these days.  Actually, to help me sleep, I read some of FBs posts.  Who needs Ambien?

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by MichaelBates

Conan, I am not and will not be a paid consultant to Sally Bell, but I think she'll make a good county commissioner, she'll work to make county government more transparent and accountable, and she won't try to saddle the taxpayers with another massive transfer of wealth from ordinary taxpayers to the construction industry, so I will volunteer to help her in any way I can. (And, no, I won't go to work for her at the county if she wins. I wouldn't like the pay cut or the loss of independence.)

Keith isn't running against Miller now, but since you think it's unfair for me to lump the two together, I think it's fair to ask this question: Of Randi Miller's significant policy decisions during her six years in office, which ones does Karen Keith disagree with?

I can't leave this statement alone:

quote:Originally posted by Conan71



I'm astounded at the amount of public money committed and spent in the last five years, including the deal for OTC and new Driller's Park.

Sure there's been a lot of public money spent, but weren't we promised that Vision 2025 would  generate private investment?

Michael,

Thanks for the clarification of your status with the Sally Bell campaign.  I just thought it fair to disclose any pre-disposed bias either of us have for a particular candidate.

I've finally come to the realization the horse left the barn a long time ago on V-2025 and it serves no purpose to keep trying to stop it from happening.  I did appreciate you took Bob Dick and others to task about the LWD's and Zink Lake promises of V-2025 and agreed with every point you made on the river tax.  2025 is enough for the county to manage for the time being and I disliked the rushed, hushed, and speculative nature of the river proposal.

I honestly cannot come up with a way to quantify exact $$ of private investment as a result of public investment in V-2025.  If you have figured out a way, please share it, as I do think it would be an interesting statistic to track.  Certainly, if the new Bell's Amusement Park goes up near a V-2025 project I'll be sure to point out private investment related to V-2025 []

Stimulating private investment in building renovations around the new arena or other projects would be one measurable way, as it would be in other communities.  If you believe that public infrastructure improves the quality of life and makes a city attractive for new jobs, there is another way to track it but you cannot positively attribute new jobs to any one thing.

Higher education has benefitted from V-2025 with expanded facilities and programs which, ostensibly, will keep students in Tulsa and out of Norman, Stillwater or elsewhere and will attract more donors to help our local colleges out.

I'm of the belief there has been private investment as a result of V-2025, but there will be lasting impact and more private investment in the coming years as more V-2025 projects are finished.  

Even if public investment does not add up to your expectation for it, what is the use in hanging on to the point that we were promised public investment?  Tulsa County is looking a whole lot better as a result of V-2025.

I'd rather have people managing and shepherding the remainder of the projects on V-2025 who have been on board with it.  I really fail to see how Sally can be more transparent nor make much of a difference with no previous view of government other than getting hosed by it.  There's far more people involved in running the county government than three commissioners.

Sally has proven her worth as the "Tom Quinn" of our time.  I'm just incredibly skeptical that a jilted tennant of the fairgrounds has the knowledge or real desire to make a difference.  Sounds like she's going to need to plough a whole lot of effort and time into getting her family business back up and running.

I'm a fan of the Bell family and have considered Robby a friend since high school.  I have always felt they got a raw deal and want to see them land on their feet.  I simply question the motives and desire of Sally from this point forward.

I did not purposely ignore your statement about policies between Miller and Keith, I'm running short on time this morning.

[T-Town Now]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

quote:Originally posted by MichaelBates

Of Randi Miller's significant policy decisions during her six years in office, which ones does Karen Keith disagree with?

Ditto for Sullivan. He supported the River Tax and every other stupid make-work project the GOP has been behind as Miller.  Inhofe same thing. Miller was scapegoated because she mishandled their nefarious deeds, including that GOP money to ORU for the TCGOP. Funny how when pusch comes to shove you all will forget and just stand in line behind the candidate.

Michael, next time you see Sullivan or Inhofe, will you please ask them where they stood on each issue that you all want to try and hang on Miller, and then get back to us?

Amen.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Sangria

quote:Originally posted by patric

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

Manhattan Construction has been around 100 years.

And dont forget Flintco.  They cant design lighting worth a craap (as evident by the fairgrounds floodlights, for example).

Apparently you don't know much about construction.

Flintco and Manhatten are construction companies - that's what they do.

This is what happens :

Someone wants a building so they hire architects to design it. The owner gives them a basic idea of what they want it to be like and the architects take over from there.

Once they settle on a design a construction company is hired to get it built.

The lighting at the fair grounds you hate so much? That was designed by an architect so if it sucks then it's because the architect made a bad design. The construction company simply builds what is on the plans.

Maybe in private industry construction projects, things are supposed to work that way, but I think that when it comes to government projects, the CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES invent the project in order to stay busy.

The Construction Companies prepare the script for their pimping, pandering, paid, political prostitutes that they periodically rent, get the Lorton's World to endorse another local government spending scheme, get press releases prepared for local Channel 862 to run with, bankroll the new tax initiative with unlimited campaign financing limits, deploy their associated crony sub-contractors, vendors and suppliers to kick in some campaign dollars, and then count the votes election nite at the Tulsa County Election Board.

That's how it REALLY works.

Reminds me of my ex-wife.  All I really hear when she spoke to me was 'blah blah blah blah' in monotone.

FB has that same effect these days.  Actually, to help me sleep, I read some of FBs posts.  Who needs Ambien?

Well, at least my posts are good for something, right?

But, maybe if you'd been able to better LISTEN, she wouldn't be an Ex.....

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Sangria

quote:Originally posted by patric

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

Manhattan Construction has been around 100 years.

And dont forget Flintco.  They cant design lighting worth a craap (as evident by the fairgrounds floodlights, for example).

Apparently you don't know much about construction.

Flintco and Manhatten are construction companies - that's what they do.

This is what happens :

Someone wants a building so they hire architects to design it. The owner gives them a basic idea of what they want it to be like and the architects take over from there.

Once they settle on a design a construction company is hired to get it built.

The lighting at the fair grounds you hate so much? That was designed by an architect so if it sucks then it's because the architect made a bad design. The construction company simply builds what is on the plans.

Maybe in private industry construction projects, things are supposed to work that way, but I think that when it comes to government projects, the CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES invent the project in order to stay busy.

The Construction Companies prepare the script for their pimping, pandering, paid, political prostitutes that they periodically rent, get the Lorton's World to endorse another local government spending scheme, get press releases prepared for local Channel 862 to run with, bankroll the new tax initiative with unlimited campaign financing limits, deploy their associated crony sub-contractors, vendors and suppliers to kick in some campaign dollars, and then count the votes election nite at the Tulsa County Election Board.

That's how it REALLY works.

Reminds me of my ex-wife.  All I really hear when she spoke to me was 'blah blah blah blah' in monotone.

FB has that same effect these days.  Actually, to help me sleep, I read some of FBs posts.  Who needs Ambien?

Well, at least my posts are good for something, right?

But, maybe if you'd been able to better LISTEN, she wouldn't be an Ex.....

Wrong again, oh not-so-clairvoyant one.

I filed for divorce.

[:O]

Back to regularly scheduled programming.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Sangria

quote:Originally posted by patric

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

Manhattan Construction has been around 100 years.

And dont forget Flintco.  They cant design lighting worth a craap (as evident by the fairgrounds floodlights, for example).

Apparently you don't know much about construction.

Flintco and Manhatten are construction companies - that's what they do.

This is what happens :

Someone wants a building so they hire architects to design it. The owner gives them a basic idea of what they want it to be like and the architects take over from there.

Once they settle on a design a construction company is hired to get it built.

The lighting at the fair grounds you hate so much? That was designed by an architect so if it sucks then it's because the architect made a bad design. The construction company simply builds what is on the plans.

Maybe in private industry construction projects, things are supposed to work that way, but I think that when it comes to government projects, the CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES invent the project in order to stay busy.

The Construction Companies prepare the script for their pimping, pandering, paid, political prostitutes that they periodically rent, get the Lorton's World to endorse another local government spending scheme, get press releases prepared for local Channel 862 to run with, bankroll the new tax initiative with unlimited campaign financing limits, deploy their associated crony sub-contractors, vendors and suppliers to kick in some campaign dollars, and then count the votes election nite at the Tulsa County Election Board.

That's how it REALLY works.

Reminds me of my ex-wife.  All I really hear when she spoke to me was 'blah blah blah blah' in monotone.

FB has that same effect these days.  Actually, to help me sleep, I read some of FBs posts.  Who needs Ambien?

Well, at least my posts are good for something, right?

But, maybe if you'd been able to better LISTEN, she wouldn't be an Ex.....

Wrong again, oh not-so-clairvoyant one.

I filed for divorce.

[:O]

Back to regularly scheduled programming.

Did you break her little heart into pieces, too, Hoss?

[Townsend]

And back on topic please gentlemen

[waterboy]

I take issue with the idea that Sally Bell's failure to forge a successful working relationship with the County qualifies her for County Commissioner. If that's so, then tons of failed small business operators who couldn't or wouldn't figure out how to interact with government are also qualified (I'm available). This was a vote of no confidence for Randi Miller. Nothing more. Too bad the other two didn't have to face the voters right now.

She would be a figurehead that consults the anti-oligarchy oligarchy before making decisions.[]

[RecycleMichael]

I am not going to bag Sally Bell yet. I have to research her views before I have a good opinion of her.

I think that politicians who run on platforms to shrink government generally don't. President Bush kept saying it, yet the federal government is 20% bigger than when he took office.

I want to see just where she plans to address cuts. Where exactly in the budget will she cut? What employees does she plan to eliminate and what county functions does she deem unnecessary?

I do really like her comments on opening up county government and having meetings at night so citizens can attend.