Why not knock down the north side of the IDL?

[Breadburner]

quote:Originally posted by Kenosha

thx...

Sewers...

Lol...Yw....

[PonderInc]

Boo, you posted the wrong picture.  I like this one better, b/c you can insert your own quote:  

"And then some day, people will actually choose to live way out here..."

[booWorld]

quote:Originally posted by PonderInc

Boo, you posted the wrong picture.  I like this one better, b/c you can insert your own quote:  

"And then some day, people will actually choose to live way out here..."

Actually, I was saving that one for you and pfox, but with a different caption.

Now, you've stolen my thunder...

[Double A]

Pop Quiz, Hotshots:

Is there a business boom now that the main mall is ripped out? What is the timeline before the cost of that is repaid in sales tax dollars generated in that area?

[RecycleMichael]

It made it better for Mayfest.

[PonderInc]

Now that I'm living way out in the burbs near 41st and Harvard[]... I've just learned something interesting:  People in south Tulsa think that "north Tulsa" means anything north of I-44!

Geez...I've been expecting to receive my Elite Midtown Money Belt in the mail any day now...but now, I don't know if I qualify...

[Red Arrow]

quote:Originally posted by PonderInc

Now that I'm living way out in the burbs near 41st and Harvard[]... I've just learned something interesting:  People in south Tulsa think that "north Tulsa" means anything north of I-44!

Geez...I've been expecting to receive my Elite Midtown Money Belt in the mail any day now...but now, I don't know if I qualify...

I-44?  I thought it was 71st Street []

[deinstein]

I have not been to South Tulsa in over a year.

+1

[MH2010]

quote:Originally posted by deinstein

I have not been to South Tulsa in over a year.

+1

No one has missed you in south Tulsa.  If you could get about 10,000 more people like you, traffic might ease up a little.

[waterboy]

Red, its 71st now, and rapidly moving southward.

As far as traffic, I can't tell you the last time I saw a scooter south of 81st between Yale and 169. Are they illegal out there? Or have they all been sucked up into the SUV air intakes?

[MH2010]

My 4x4 truck just crushes them into the pavement.  I've been trying to fill the potholes with them but there just isn't enough scooters yet.

[waterboy]

[]Its working out there.

[deinstein]

quote:Originally posted by MH2010

quote:Originally posted by deinstein

I have not been to South Tulsa in over a year.

+1

No one has missed you in south Tulsa.  If you could get about 10,000 more people like you, traffic might ease up a little.

Have fun at Applebees tonight.

[MH2010]

Haven't been to one in years. Are you so small minded that you think the only "cool" local restaurants are in midtown?

[perspicuity85]

quote:Originally posted by deinstein

-It would connect OSU-Tulsa with the Brady District.

-It would not separate downtown from North Tulsa, and thus encourage development beyond the I-244 boundary.

-It's in horrible condition and is just more tax dollars going to waste for years to come.

-You already have a detour taking the I-444/75 route on the east side of the IDL.

-The only people this would be a pain for is commuters coming on I-244 heading towards Sand Springs/Stillwater...and they can just deal with the extra two minute commute.

Thoughts?

A variation of what you're proposing has already been studied by the city.  Two years ago, the city investigated suppressing the north section of the IDL, and allowing the streets to pass over the freeway, the way the rest of I-244 is designed.  What became of the study?  Who knows?  It was probably put on the backburner after the $1 billion figure for maintaining existing city streets was released.  Personally, I think all freeways in urban areas should be designed with the city streets going over them.  The natural streetscape is better preserved, and traffic exiting the freeway goes uphill while reducing speed from 65 miles an hour to a dead stop.  To me, the uphill exit makes service roads such as Skelly Drive safer.