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[RecycleMichael]

I told you all the neighbors are pissed.

They have started recall petitions against two of the councilors.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

I told you all the neighbors are pissed.

They have started recall petitions against two of the councilors.

PAYBACK TIME..............

[B)]

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

I told you all the neighbors are pissed.

They have started recall petitions against two of the councilors.

PAYBACK TIME..............

[B)]

Somewhere Maria Barnes and Roscoe Turner are snickering to themselves.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

I told you all the neighbors are pissed.

They have started recall petitions against two of the councilors.

PAYBACK TIME..............

[B)]

Somewhere Maria Barnes and Roscoe Turner are snickering to themselves.

If the Recall is successful, the remaining City Councilors APPOINT a replacement to fill the remaining term of those Recalled Councilors.

Presumably, the City Council could re-appoint Gomez and Patrick into their old positions.  But, that would have a LARGE political cost to the individuals so voting.

Now, is everyone starting to get the picture WHY the local ruling power Oligarchy worked so hard to get rid of Mautino, Medlock, Roop, Turner and Henderson?

Four out of five are gone in only four years. Only one is still left standing:  Henderson. And Kaiser Kronies funded well his opponent in last Spring's City Kouncil election.

A solitary voice crying in the City Council Wilderness remains.  Occasionally joined by John Eagleton when he's not too busy carrying the water for the Mayor.

Rubber-stamp replacements now hold the Gang of Five's former City Council positions.

Does ANYONE in District 3 still think that David Patrick shows more concern for his constituents that did former Councilor Roscoe Turner?

Or that District 4 councilor Eric Gomez is more concerned about his constituents than his predecessor Maria Barnes?

People, THINK Before You Vote, and ALWAYS Follow The Money!

[Townsend]

The recall effort will be less successful than the last one.  That one actually made it to a vote and wasted time and money.  This one will just waste time and money.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by MDepr2007

and now back to the council exempting other buildings downtown but not the Y, why?

Those other buildings were established residential. Some changes were made to them to make them safer. PM's posted previously this thread.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

I told you all the neighbors are pissed.

They have started recall petitions against two of the councilors.

PAYBACK TIME..............

[B)]

Somewhere Maria Barnes and Roscoe Turner are snickering to themselves.

If the Recall is successful, the remaining City Councilors APPOINT a replacement to fill the remaining term of those Recalled Councilors.

Presumably, the City Council could re-appoint Gomez and Patrick into their old positions.  But, that would have a LARGE political cost to the individuals so voting.

Now, is everyone starting to get the picture WHY the local ruling power Oligarchy worked so hard to get rid of Mautino, Medlock, Turner and Henderson?

Only one is still left standing.  A solitary voice crying in the City Council Wilderness.  Occasionally joined by John Eagleton when he's not carrying the water for the Mayor.

Rubber-stamp replacements now hold their former City Council positions.

Does ANYONE in District 3 still think that David Patrick shows more concern for his constituents that did former Councilor Roscoe Turner?

Or that District 4 councilor Eric Gomez is more concerned about his constituents than his predecessor Maria Barnes?

People, THINK Before You Vote, and ALWAYS Follow The Money!

Youre the guy who yells fire in a crowded theatre and then revels over the chaos. You're the guy who loves to yell at the ump even though your team is way ahead. Off with their heads! Throw the bums out! No new taxes! Just vote No!

As long as the villagers are fighting among themselves over the outrageous deeds of the ruling class, nothing will happen and that is exactly what you want.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

I told you all the neighbors are pissed.

They have started recall petitions against two of the councilors.

PAYBACK TIME..............

[B)]

Somewhere Maria Barnes and Roscoe Turner are snickering to themselves.

Except Maria voted for this during the original joint Council/Housing Authority public hearing and she has her own Kaiser conflicts of interest/connections.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

I told you all the neighbors are pissed.

They have started recall petitions against two of the councilors.

PAYBACK TIME..............

[B)]

Somewhere Maria Barnes and Roscoe Turner are snickering to themselves.

If the Recall is successful, the remaining City Councilors APPOINT a replacement to fill the remaining term of those Recalled Councilors.

Presumably, the City Council could re-appoint Gomez and Patrick into their old positions.  But, that would have a LARGE political cost to the individuals so voting.

Now, is everyone starting to get the picture WHY the local ruling power Oligarchy worked so hard to get rid of Mautino, Medlock, Turner and Henderson?

Only one is still left standing.  A solitary voice crying in the City Council Wilderness.  Occasionally joined by John Eagleton when he's not carrying the water for the Mayor.

Rubber-stamp replacements now hold their former City Council positions.

Does ANYONE in District 3 still think that David Patrick shows more concern for his constituents that did former Councilor Roscoe Turner?

Or that District 4 councilor Eric Gomez is more concerned about his constituents than his predecessor Maria Barnes?

People, THINK Before You Vote, and ALWAYS Follow The Money!

Youre the guy who yells fire in a crowded theatre and then revels over the chaos. You're the guy who loves to yell at the ump even though your team is way ahead. Off with their heads! Throw the bums out! No new taxes! Just vote No!

As long as the villagers are fighting among themselves over the outrageous deeds of the ruling class, nothing will happen and that is exactly what you want.

So, all this bickering is somehow MY fault?

It wasn't ME that brought up Recall.

I merely commented on RecycleMichael's brief Recall thread.

You can rest assured that the local Power establishment has two replacement Faux-Reformers waiting in reserve, just in case Gomez or Patrick do in fact get successfully recalled.

Gomez and Patrick can thank Ruth Kaiser Nelson for maneuvering them into a position in their effected districts where she hands them their heads on a platter.  

Right now their heads are spinning off like a fully-baked dreidel on overdrive.

This incident won't even be a pimple of a pesky Speed Bump in the Oligarchy's steam-roller control of our local city Goobermint for the past 50 years.

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[RecycleMichael]

Who are the bad guys here?

Ruth Kaiser Nelson wants to give millions of her own dollars to help solve a community problem.

THA and MHA want to build facilities all over town so they can get rid of the concentration of working poor people living downtown in a building without sprinklers.

The Fire Marshall wants all buildings where people live to be safe.

Councilor Gomez has a similar facility ,albeit smaller, near his home and has seen no problems. He voted to receive additional funding from the state.

Councilor Patrick wasn't even at the meeting where the residents spoke, but did vote along with Councilor Gomez the week before to receive the few million in matching funds from the state.

The neighborhood leaders found out about the proposed development from a TV station and quickly organized people to come down to the meeting and speak out.

At this point, everyone did what they should have done.

The problem is that up until the second council meeting, people were not talking to each other, probably out of fear. The THA lady admitted to as much in today's paper.

I don't know if Councilor Gomez or Patrick knew all about everything and should have discussed this with their constituants, but it sounds like that is what has pissed people off the most.

If only the media had picked up on this earlier...if only the THA had really tried to talk to the neighborhood leaders...if only the councilors would have met in advance with the neighborhood and involved them in the planning of this facility...if only, if only, if only.

Communication could have soothed all these hard feelings. Respectful communication is a good thing.

"TulsaNow, facilitating communication for a better Tulsa".

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

Who are the bad guys here?

Ruth Kaiser Nelson wants to give millions of her own dollars to help solve a community problem.

THA and MHA want to build facilities all over town so they can get rid of the concentration of working poor people living downtown in a building without sprinklers.

The Fire Marshall wants all buildings where people live to be safe.

Councilor Gomez has a similar facility ,albeit smaller, near his home and has seen no problems. He voted to receive additional funding from the state.

Councilor Patrick wasn't even at the meeting where the residents spoke, but did vote along with Councilor Gomez the week before to receive the few million in matching funds from the state.

The neighborhood leaders found out about the proposed development from a TV station and quickly organized people to come down to the meeting and speak out.

At this point, everyone did what they should have done.

The problem is that up until the second council meeting, people were not talking to each other, probably out of fear. The THA lady admitted to as much in today's paper.

I don't know if Councilor Gomez or Patrick knew all about everything and should have discussed this with their constituants, but it sounds like that is what has pissed people off the most.

If only the media had picked up on this earlier...if only the THA had really tried to talk to the neighborhood leaders...if only the councilors would have met in advance with the neighborhood and involved them in the planning of this facility...if only, if only, if only.

Communication could have soothed all these hard feelings. Respectful communication is a good thing.

"TulsaNow, facilitating communication for a better Tulsa".

Good analysis, RecycleMichael.  Totally out of character for you, however.

How about directing some of that "Respectful communication" towards Friendly Bear, sometime?

First notice on this Forum was RecycleMichael's real-time Aug. 7 comment about the City Council Meeting discussing the THA proposal, and the audience's raucous response.

Regardless of their underlying presumably Pure-as-Virgin-Snow Motives, the local ruling power  establishment and their appointed Kaiser Kouncil Kronies, and City of Kaiser Housing Authority Kronies tried to SNEAK this by everyone.

Caught ya!

Here's a FRESH Idea:

To cheer up the the Kaisers after SemGroup ripped the throat out of their bank (Bank Of Kaiser) earnings this quarter, let's rename Tulsa County:

Kaiser Kounty.  

Has a nice sort of ring to it, doesn't it.

While we're at it, let's rename the city after the Kaisers.....They do sooooo much for us.

Call it:

Kaiserslauten.

K-Town for short.  Sort of reminds us of old T-Town.

K-Town.

I LIKE it.

IT's the least we can do.

And, since they so heavily promoted the Kaiser River Tax last October, let's go ahead and just rename the Arkansas River, too?

Yes, you guessed it:

The Kaiser River.

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[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

Who are the bad guys here?

Ruth Kaiser Nelson wants to give millions of her own dollars to help solve a community problem.

THA and MHA want to build facilities all over town so they can get rid of the concentration of working poor people living downtown in a building without sprinklers.

The Fire Marshall wants all buildings where people live to be safe.

Councilor Gomez has a similar facility ,albeit smaller, near his home and has seen no problems. He voted to receive additional funding from the state.

Councilor Patrick wasn't even at the meeting where the residents spoke, but did vote along with Councilor Gomez the week before to receive the few million in matching funds from the state.

The neighborhood leaders found out about the proposed development from a TV station and quickly organized people to come down to the meeting and speak out.

At this point, everyone did what they should have done.

The problem is that up until the second council meeting, people were not talking to each other, probably out of fear. The THA lady admitted to as much in today's paper.

I don't know if Councilor Gomez or Patrick knew all about everything and should have discussed this with their constituants, but it sounds like that is what has pissed people off the most.

If only the media had picked up on this earlier...if only the THA had really tried to talk to the neighborhood leaders...if only the councilors would have met in advance with the neighborhood and involved them in the planning of this facility...if only, if only, if only.

Communication could have soothed all these hard feelings. Respectful communication is a good thing.

"TulsaNow, facilitating communication for a better Tulsa".

This is about the ethical transgressions of these men who are charter members of the Mare Force One Mile High Club, whose ethical lapses on lier jets with lobbyists are to blame for the situation they find themselves in today. If they had been respectful of the public trust, conducted themselves in an open, transparent, ethical way and communicated with their constituents they might have avoided what is the result of their own misconduct. They have disrespected the public and the public demands satisfaction for this dishonor. I will sign the D4 recall petition.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

Who are the bad guys here?

Ruth Kaiser Nelson wants to give millions of her own dollars to help solve a community problem.

THA and MHA want to build facilities all over town so they can get rid of the concentration of working poor people living downtown in a building without sprinklers.

The Fire Marshall wants all buildings where people live to be safe.

Councilor Gomez has a similar facility ,albeit smaller, near his home and has seen no problems. He voted to receive additional funding from the state.

Councilor Patrick wasn't even at the meeting where the residents spoke, but did vote along with Councilor Gomez the week before to receive the few million in matching funds from the state.

The neighborhood leaders found out about the proposed development from a TV station and quickly organized people to come down to the meeting and speak out.

At this point, everyone did what they should have done.

The problem is that up until the second council meeting, people were not talking to each other, probably out of fear. The THA lady admitted to as much in today's paper.

I don't know if Councilor Gomez or Patrick knew all about everything and should have discussed this with their constituants, but it sounds like that is what has pissed people off the most.

If only the media had picked up on this earlier...if only the THA had really tried to talk to the neighborhood leaders...if only the councilors would have met in advance with the neighborhood and involved them in the planning of this facility...if only, if only, if only.

Communication could have soothed all these hard feelings. Respectful communication is a good thing.

"TulsaNow, facilitating communication for a better Tulsa".

This is about the ethical ethical trangressions of these men who are members of the Mare Force One Mile High Club whose ethical lapses on lier jets with lobbyists are to blame for in the situation they find themselves in today. If they had been respectful of the public trust, conducted themselves in an open, transparent, ethical way and communicated with their constituents they might have avoided what is the result of their own misconduct. They have disrespected the public and the public demands satisfaction for this dishonor. I will sign the D4 recall petition.

I'd sign it too, but I don't live in District 3 or 4.

Here's a plan:

Can I sign Sam Roop's name to the District 4 Recall Petition?

Sure he won't mind.

[waterboy]

These last few posts diminish the credibility of this forum. It is a constant diatribe with name calling, accusations, and conspiracy theories from these two. I would suggest they go back to TulsaToday and sell that stuff over there. Oh, yeah, they can't. They discontinued that forum due to such posting.[]

Who wants to serve in politics with these attitudes constantly serving to berate them? Who wants to donate money to such ungrateful vicious people? Truly, does no good deed go unpunished?

[MDepr2007]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

These last few posts diminish the credibility of this forum. It is a constant diatribe with name calling, accusations, and conspiracy theories from these two. I would suggest they go back to TulsaToday and sell that stuff over there. Oh, yeah, they can't. They discontinued that forum due to such posting.[]

Who wants to serve in politics with these attitudes constantly serving to berate them? Who wants to donate money to such ungrateful vicious people? Truly, does no good deed go unpunished?

Then I come across your post and wonder of the waste of time I just spent reading something that is so superior []