Homeless Hi-Rise at Admiral and Yale

[MDepr2007]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

Uninteller, what is wrong with the project? Seems to me I-244 acts as a buffer as does the cemetary. $4 million dollars of funding....and it would be built there even if the "yes" votes had prevailed.
Where do you wish to shove the helpless?
Why not right in the middle of downtown in between all the "churches"?

 i know they will build anyways.  I'm more thrilled that patrick wasn't there and just disenfranchised his constituency.

Those that showed up tonight, probably didn't vote for him anyway.
Hats off to Proctor taking it on, makes me want to vote for Rice

[TheArtist]

For some reason I thought it would be near this... http://www.catholiccharitiestulsa.org/news/newsitem.aspx?newsid=733&newsitemid=3035

I dont know if its better to have more services of this nature together in one area or not. I am very curious as to what kind of services and treatment programs they will have at this new building.

[AMP]

Why not just ask those that are going to use this facility where they would like it to be located?  

1. Provide a list of locations that are suitable, available and zoned properly.  

2. Then have the residents of the YMCA make a choice.  

That would seem to be much more logical than just sticking a pin in a map.

[AMP]

A nice Holiday Inn Hotel at I-244 and Yale makes way more sense than the Homeless Shelter.  Would be ideal for service for the Fairgrounds.  

[AMP]

A. So the Day Center for the Homeless, and the John 316 Misson remain downtown?
http://www.tulsadaycenter.org/

B. Catholic Charities moves to Harvard and Apache.
http://www.catholiccharitiestulsa.org/news/newsitem.aspx?newsid=733&newsitemid=3035

C. Morton Health Center relocated to Lansing and Pine.
http://www.vision2025.info/category.php?category=mortonhealthcare

D. New Homeless Shelter proposed at I-244 and Yale.

Again, with all the pre-planning for Vision 2025, and the Master Plans, it sounds like some loose ends were not thought through. Why not locate the Homeless Shelter and Catholic Charities next to the Morton Health Center? See Lansing Business Park Rule #5 Below

With the current idea of making everything close together to save energy and reduce carbon footprints, one would think that one stop shopping would make way much more sense than moving these social services miles apart from each other.  What happened to the idea of the Village format in planning? I was led to believe it was to keep everyone living, shopping, and enjoying entertainment in the Urban area versus the sprawl factor.

I believe the Food Bank, and a Rehabilitation center is also in the Lansing Business Park along with EMSA.

Sounds like a homeless person is going to need an "all you can eat" Bus Pass or a set of wheels to make the long distance trips for the social services that were within walking distance when conveniently located in the Urban downtown Tulsa area.  The current natural locations of these services, choosen back when, seem much more organized, use less energy for travel and were way more convenient than the new planned proposal.  

New trails that are the shortest distance between the two points of these new social services will be established and will most likely cut through neighborhoods, around or through man made and natural barriers and provide shelter stops along the routes. Cutting a hole in a fence of an abandoned industrial lot is not uncommon today. One may want to use Google Earth to find the shortest quickest walking routes between these facilities.

LANSING BUSINESS PARK

"The park, which covers nearly 100 acres on the northeast edge of downtown, is designed to provide medium to small sites for office, warehouse, distribution, research and development, light assembly and manufacturing, and service businesses. Lansing is the only close-in development ofits type and offers all the services and amenities of a modern business park. It will appeal to those desiring immediate proximity to downtown, Oklahoma State University at Tulsa and the expressway system.

Several developments have also been completed in the newer sections of the park including the headquarters of the Emergency Medical Services Authority (EMSA), the office production facility of Banknote Printing, Service and Equipment International, and the Lansing Business Center, a project of the Tulsa Development Authority with the purpose of providing incubator space for small, start up businesses.

Lansing Park offers immediate access to the arterial street system-via Pine Street and Peoria Avenue.  We invite you to compare traffic volume on the arterial to those serving similar parks in southeast Tulsa. Lansing Park is adjacent to Highway 75 (Cherokee Expressway) and offers excellent access to the expressway system-via the Pine and Peoria expressway interchange. Visual exposure from the Cherokee Expressway exists at several sites."

Lansing Park is located less than one mile north of the inner dispersal loop and I-244 with easy access to Highway 64 (Cimmaron Turnpike), Highway 51 (Broken Arrow Expressway), Highway 169 and I-44. Lansing Park adjoins the Oklahoma State University at Tulsa campus and is approximately four minutes from the downtown Central Post Office and some of the finest hotel accommodations in the City. Additionally, the Park is ten minutes from the Tulsa International Airport and only thirty minutes from the Port of Catoosa.

No other industrial park in the city can make these claims. All utilities are available to each site in Lansing. All subdivisions have site use restrictions; those for Lansing are relatively modest and are primarily designed to promote quality development, enhance the appearance of the park, assure compatibility of use, and protect investment.

LANSING BUSINESS PARK SITE RESTRICTIONS:

1.Exterior walls must be masonry or metal; street side must be decorative (masonry veneer encouraged). No outdoor storage visible from the street is permitted.

2.Buildings and grounds must be kept in good repair. Unnecessary tree removal is prohibited.

3.All building plans, signage and landscaping must be approved by TDA. Appropriate landscaping is mandatory.

4.Paved off-street parking for employees and customers must be provided and maintained.

5. No residential, nuisance, or offensive uses of property is permitted. Also, no use which interferes with other businesses in Lansing.

6. Ground floor area of building may not exceed 50% of the lot size.

Sounds like many areas of Tulsa need to adopt these rules and quick before someone decides to drop a Residential Nuisance in their neighborhood.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

Is anybody else watching the City Council meeting tonight?

This project has sure pissed off the neighbors.

Gomez just signed his own death warrant on his political career and the poor bastard probably doesn't even realize it. Numb nutts will probably turn around and sign a second one when he approves Bumgarners OH zoning in a matter of weeks.

What the hell is up with his Ballpark trust meeting anyway? If he wants to clear up the situation he should push to make public, with full disclosure, all the communications and travel accommodations between the Council, da Mares office, and sponsors involved in this deal.

Councilor Gomez on Development = Empty Campaign Rhetoric:

quote:Development that works with the neighborhoods to enhance livability should be welcomed and encouraged throughout District 4. Common sense is the key. Revitalization of neighborhoods must be done for Tulsa to continue to prosper. Many different people and organizations must stay actively involved in the process to keep it balanced. Neither the politically connected special interest nor the screams of the tyrannical minority should be able to trample on their neighbors personal property rights.

Gomez has joined the tyrannical minority of the politically connected special interests that is Empress Kathy and Emperor Kaiser's royal court.  He serves as her newly knighted loyal, trusted,  man-servant since Sir Martinson has fallen out of her favor. He's even joined da Mare's mile high club, joining the elite few who've flown on her majesty's private jet, Mare Force One.

Just don't expect this knight in slimy armor to come to the rescue of 120 lofts. He serves the Queen first, his city and his district last.

The funny thing is, I can't hardly seem to find anyone who'll admit to voting for him. It's Miller time for Gomez? Any suggestions on challengers? The primaries are less than a year away. I think Bates should challenge Gomez. Bates for D4/09.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by AMP

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

Well, if there was ever any doubt about being Batty....what a bunch of garbage MB! You failed to mention the family who holds title to the old Warehouse Market.

Eagleton proved tonight to be the best head the council has ever had. His speach at the end was spot on. It's about much more than "white city" ....it's about giving a hand up.

And you call yourself a good christian. It's guys like MB that make me a friend of the devil.

Even more reason the facility should be built in South Tulsa, perhaps near the Oral Roberts University and Ministry.  

Why not just remodel the downtown YMCA building?  What is planned for that place, another parking lot?  

How about on the site of an abandoned Wal-Mart?

[AMP]

Suprised one of the Photo Shop gurus has not come up with the signs for the I-244 Exit.

Tulsa Fairgrounds & Tulsa Homeless Shelter Next Exit - BOK Arena 3 miles ahead

[carltonplace]

The YMCA was not running a "homeless" shelter. They were providing affordable living for people that needed a hand. They also had in house services to help the clients look for work and acquire appropriate clothes to interview. How can anyone be against a facility that will help people get back on their feet and become constructive members of society?

[TeeDub]

Admiral and Yale...  

Good spot.   Lots of jobs close and within walking distance.

Do people even think about these things before they decide?   I agree with the above, follow the money and see which campaign contributor owned that property.

[MDepr2007]

quote:Originally posted by carltonplace

The YMCA was not running a "homeless" shelter. They were providing affordable living for people that needed a hand. They also had in house services to help the clients look for work and acquire appropriate clothes to interview. How can anyone be against a facility that will help people get back on their feet and become constructive members of society?

So why not leave it there in downtown? Whats the problem? Redoing the sprinklers is cheaper than what they are about to spend.

[tim huntzinger]

quote:Originally posted by carltonplace

The YMCA was not running a "homeless" shelter. They were providing affordable living for people that needed a hand. They also had in house services to help the clients look for work and acquire appropriate clothes to interview. How can anyone be against a facility that will help people get back on their feet and become constructive members of society?

The YMCA 'Safe Haven' was for dually-diagnosed mentally ill homeless.  It was a 'damp' zone which meant there was not a strict teetotaling policy, nor were the residents in treatment.  Moving these kinds of services around town will help downtown a bunch.

And who gives a poop what Bates thinks, Amp? If he wants to join RM's thread, let him.

[breitee]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

I guess KKT didn't have a need to fly in that redneck **** off his vacation to vote on this.

I hope this sinks Patrick's re-election.  By the time he is up for reelection, this thing should be under construction.

Now we just need to find a good issue to sink Gomerz and Martinson.

Patrick doesn't care about the people and their business. Have you ever seen his dumpy "Magic Gas" service station and trashy house in Dawson? Build it there.

[AMP]

Not against the spirit of the project, just the location.  What is wrong with locating it downtown where the Day Center for the Homeless, Catholic Charities, Salvation Army, John 316 Mission and other Chairities are already located?  If not there then why not plan an area where all those types of services are within walking distance, instead of sitting on a land locked small lot such as the Admiral and Yale location?

Downtown was a good location for many years for those services when they were built not too many years ago.  Majority of businesses and services typically locate close to their customer base and close to other businesses and services that compliment theirs.  

Why locate this new facility 4 miles from all the other services in a residental area of Tulsa?  

Thought the idea of the Urban living concept was to consolidate the Urban space downtown, provide housing areas, jobs, community services, build food and entertainment facilities and create a village atmosphere to save energy by avoiding driving so much. This proposal sounds more like Sprawl than consolidation.  

If the Homeless folks are seeking a job, I read where SMG management at the BOK Center were hiring 100 plus folks at $6 to $8 per hour for the events.  

Bottm line, would you like this facility or another one in your residential neighborhood?  

Keep it in the industrial/business zone surrounding downtown where they have been comfortable for 100+ years and lots of other services similar to this are located.

Alternative locations are:

Lewis and I-244 which the City owns that property already, less cost, larger lot, less residental impact.

Hissom Memorial Center which was designed as a mental health facility to begin with.

Intersection at Yale and Admiral lends itself towards a nice four story motel for visitors to the Fairgrounds.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by AMP

Not against the spirit of the project, just the location.  What is wrong with locating it downtown where the Day Center for the Homeless, Catholic Charities, Salvation Army, John 316 Mission and other Chairities are already located?  

Why locate this new facility 4 miles from all the other services?  Thought the idea was to consolidate the Urban space downtown, provide housing areas, jobs, build entertainment facilities and create a village atmosphere to save energy by avoiding driving so much. This proposal sounds more like Sprawl than consolidation.  

If the Homeless folks are seeking a job, I read where SMG management at the BOK Center were hiring 200 plus folks at $6 to $8 per hour for the events.  

Bottm line, would you like this facility or another one in your residential neighborhood?  

Keep it in the industrial/business zone surrounding downtown where they have been comfortable for 100+ years.

You partially answered your question when you mentioned SMG and BOK center.  Build a sparkling new arena downtown and export the homeless.  The mis-guided idea is people don't want to go downtown because of the "homeless" problem.  I'm downtown quite a bit after-hours and it's not near as bad as people who never spend any time downtown make it sound.

FAIK, those 200 jobs are not daily employment, event-only.

I suggested a year ago we build this project in OKC, would have kept everyone happy except those in OKC. [}:)]