Homeless Hi-Rise at Admiral and Yale

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quote:Originally posted by waterboy

These last few posts diminish the credibility of this forum. It is a constant diatribe with name calling, accusations, and conspiracy theories from these two. I would suggest they go back to TulsaToday and sell that stuff over there. Oh, yeah, they can't. They discontinued that forum due to such posting.[]

Who wants to serve in politics with these attitudes constantly serving to berate them? Who wants to donate money to such ungrateful vicious people? Truly, does no good deed go unpunished?

well listen dude, Patrick didn't EVEN SHOW UP the night this was discussed.  He thought everything "was ok".  And I didn't see any jets flying to his dirt farm to pick him up so I guess everything "was ok" as far as his taskmasters were concerned.

He deserves to be recalled.  And Gomerz actions have not even come CLOSE to matching his campaign promises.  The way he sits there all smug at the meetings makes me want to puke.  I hope they are both put out to pasture.

[waterboy]

I don't like either one of them. I voted for Barnes and even though I criticized Roscoe, I liked him. Call them to task. But come on. Is everything related to the T-Town Oligarchy, the Bananna Republic of Tulsa, Da Mare's cronyism, blah, blah, blah? These two never let up.

If we just keep electing bumpkins then tearing away at them with recalls, lawsuits, name calling and smears will we ever get anything done around here? Isn't that what FB and his buddies want?

Is it possible that people just disagree and are not part of a conspiracy to carry water for the mayor and Kaisers minions? And what kind of class warfare criticizes a part time councilor for working in a garage and still representing his district. If he was practicing law like others would that be okay?

Geez.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

I don't like either one of them. I voted for Barnes and even though I criticized Roscoe, I liked him. Call them to task. But come on. Is everything related to the T-Town Oligarchy, the Bananna Republic of Tulsa, Da Mare's cronyism, blah, blah, blah? These two never let up.

If we just keep electing bumpkins then tearing away at them with recalls, lawsuits, name calling and smears will we ever get anything done around here? Isn't that what FB and his buddies want?

Is it possible that people just disagree and are not part of a conspiracy to carry water for the mayor and Kaisers minions? And what kind of class warfare criticizes a part time councilor for working in a garage and still representing his district. If he was practicing law like others would that be okay?

Geez.

The local ruling Power Oligarchy wants to control at least six of nine city councilors, and also the Office of the Mayor.

They briefly lost that control back in 2004, with the election of the Gang of Five.

And, brother, did they ever HOWL!

Methinks they doth protest Too Much!

It's about control of the local levers of power, which gives them control of the funding Honey Pots:  TAIT, TMUA, TDA, THA, etc.

They use their Money to get Power.  And, Power to build on their already ample Fortunes.

Simple, really.

A power/money paradign first elucidated in "The Prince" by Oligarchia Familia advisor, Nicolo Machiavelli.

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quote:Originally posted by waterboy

I don't like either one of them. I voted for Barnes and even though I criticized Roscoe, I liked him. Call them to task. But come on. Is everything related to the T-Town Oligarchy, the Bananna Republic of Tulsa, Da Mare's cronyism, blah, blah, blah? These two never let up.

If we just keep electing bumpkins then tearing away at them with recalls, lawsuits, name calling and smears will we ever get anything done around here? Isn't that what FB and his buddies want?

Is it possible that people just disagree and are not part of a conspiracy to carry water for the mayor and Kaisers minions? And what kind of class warfare criticizes a part time councilor for working in a garage and still representing his district. If he was practicing law like others would that be okay?

Geez.

if you let a council full of gomez types run tulsa then you might as well just raze all the neighborhoods and fill the town with zone code busting italiante dreck and forget honoring any kind of civic contracts like a Comp Plan.

as far as the council was concerned....the "gang of five" years were some of the best.  You had bipartisan cooperation for one of the first times ever.  The PEOPLE'S business was actually carried out, not the bidding of a few turds in the Williams Ivory Tower.

[Porky]

Guess I'm different than most folks on this.

I'm glad to see them get the homeless finally out of our downtown area. But I'm more glad to see proper housing being built for the homeless and those that suffer from mental illness, like so many of them do.

I'm not much of a Mayor Kathy fan but I like what she has done with this situation.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

I don't like either one of them. I voted for Barnes and even though I criticized Roscoe, I liked him. Call them to task. But come on. Is everything related to the T-Town Oligarchy, the Bananna Republic of Tulsa, Da Mare's cronyism, blah, blah, blah? These two never let up.

If we just keep electing bumpkins then tearing away at them with recalls, lawsuits, name calling and smears will we ever get anything done around here? Isn't that what FB and his buddies want?

Is it possible that people just disagree and are not part of a conspiracy to carry water for the mayor and Kaisers minions? And what kind of class warfare criticizes a part time councilor for working in a garage and still representing his district. If he was practicing law like others would that be okay?

Geez.

The local ruling Power Oligarchy wants to control at least six of nine city councilors, and also the Office of the Mayor.

They briefly lost that control back in 2004, with the election of the Gang of Five.

And, brother, did they ever HOWL!

It's about control of the local levers of power, which gives them control of the funding Honey Pots:  TAIT, TMUA, TDA, THA, etc.

They use their Money to get Power.  And, Power to protect their Money.

Simple, really.

So simple it plum evades me.

Just saying this stuff over and over doesn't make it true. I'll make this assertion though. Take off all the members of these boards and authorities that you think are members of the oligarchy or toadies for them and replace them with your hand picked toadies. Within a year they'll resemble the old boards and authorities. We'll have a new person espousing stories of a new oligarchy.

Your personality is same as the current administration. Never give an opponent an even break. Reward your supporters and punish dissenters (enemies). Don't let logic or the law get in the way.

Its very simple really.

[Rico]

Friendly Bear... You need to run for Mayor or City Council.

While you are weighing your options.... Please get back on your meds and try to make your Doctor appointments.

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[MDepr2007]

Bottom line is , this project will win awards and produce more wall hanging material with their names on it. Thats all that really matters. Got to keep getting those back pats[]

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

I don't like either one of them. I voted for Barnes and even though I criticized Roscoe, I liked him. Call them to task. But come on. Is everything related to the T-Town Oligarchy, the Bananna Republic of Tulsa, Da Mare's cronyism, blah, blah, blah? These two never let up.

If we just keep electing bumpkins then tearing away at them with recalls, lawsuits, name calling and smears will we ever get anything done around here? Isn't that what FB and his buddies want?

Is it possible that people just disagree and are not part of a conspiracy to carry water for the mayor and Kaisers minions? And what kind of class warfare criticizes a part time councilor for working in a garage and still representing his district. If he was practicing law like others would that be okay?

Geez.

The local ruling Power Oligarchy wants to control at least six of nine city councilors, and also the Office of the Mayor.

They briefly lost that control back in 2004, with the election of the Gang of Five.

And, brother, did they ever HOWL!

It's about control of the local levers of power, which gives them control of the funding Honey Pots:  TAIT, TMUA, TDA, THA, etc.

They use their Money to get Power.  And, Power to protect their Money.

Simple, really.

So simple it plum evades me.

Just saying this stuff over and over doesn't make it true. I'll make this assertion though. Take off all the members of these boards and authorities that you think are members of the oligarchy or toadies for them and replace them with your hand picked toadies. Within a year they'll resemble the old boards and authorities. We'll have a new person espousing stories of a new oligarchy.

Your personality is same as the current administration. Never give an opponent an even break. Reward your supporters and punish dissenters (enemies). Don't let logic or the law get in the way.

Its very simple really.

The LAW?  There is NO law in a Banana Republic.

The law is what a crony judge of the local ruling power elite SAYS is the law.
 
I refer you to the Poster Boy of Judicial Cronyism:

Dear Judge Jane Wiseman.  

Promoted from Tulsa District Judge to Oklahoma State Court of Appeals as a reward for her FIVE minutes of deliberation on the Log-Rolled Vision 2025 ballot lawsuit, filed by Gary Richardson on behalf of former city councilor and personna non grata Todd Houston.

And, I'd be happy to vote for a real Reformer on Tulsa City Council, whether Democrat or Republican.  

However, we're unlikely to ever again see a majority of the city council comprised of Reformers.

TOO dangerous for the local ruling Power Oligarchy.

Too many skeletons buried in the various city boards, authorities, and commissions.

Too many sweet-heart deals with a certain two  local banks, and their sole-sourced municipal bond underwriting deals.

Too many sweet-heart deals with the favored local construction company cabal, their connected sub-contractor cronies, and their sole-sourced construction projects.  With their allied legions of certain connected attorneys, architects, engineers, and PR personnel.

Reform?

Not very likely.

Welcome to the Banana Republic of Tulsa!

[:O]

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Rico

Friendly Bear... You need to run for Mayor or City Council.

While you are weighing your options.... Please get back on your meds and try to make your Doctor appointments.

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I really appreciate your show of support.

What kind of meds do you recommend for me?

How about:  Viagra.

Bend over?

[waterboy]

You know Bear, its not that I or others around here don't know that there is some truth to your rantings. Its that you do nothing but talk, talk, talk. Do something rather than just continuuing to denigrate our local structure!

If you could get elected or appointed to a meaningful slot in the structure and start to effect change instead of complain about the status quo, I for one would follow along regardless of your party affiliation. Same goes for AA. Easy to make fun and criticize but harder to actually do something.

But something tells me you've tried that and were rebuffed and now you feel obligated to educate and warn the rest of us. Instead you end up floundering in the surf yelling about how dangerous water is.

For me your low point was to call Eagleton the Water Carrier for the Mayor (at least you didn't call him the waterboy). He is anything but that, he simply had a different perspective than you and made a different decision. He is the outside of the box councilor you should be defending.

I read about how the city of Tulsa basically stole the water rights of Spavinaw from the tribe that owned them. When city leaders came across resistance they went to the state and used the system to validate/justify their theft. Indians usually lost back then (no casinos to fund good representation). That was over 80 years ago. Now we are in the process of further limiting adjacent landowners rights on Spavinaw Creek to protect our water quality and once again there is resistance. We will win this one too. My point is that you may have misjudged just what our republic is and has been for a long time. And its like this at all levels all over the country. Do something about it. Write a book, make a movie, run for office...something.

[Rico]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Rico

Friendly Bear... You need to run for Mayor or City Council.

While you are weighing your options.... Please get back on your meds and try to make your Doctor appointments.

[]

I really appreciate your show of support.

What kind of meds do you recommend for me?

How about:  Viagra.

Bend over?

Now Bear.... Some of your latent Freudian tendencies are peeking through...

You remember changing your name from Uranus to Friendly Bear... That was a positive step.

I am not familiar with your med list.. I imagine something for High Anxiety...

By the way I was serious that you should run for office..

[}:)]

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

You know Bear, its not that I or others around here don't know that there is some truth to your rantings. Its that you do nothing but talk, talk, talk. Do something rather than just continuuing to denigrate our local structure!

If you could get elected or appointed to a meaningful slot in the structure and start to effect change instead of complain about the status quo, I for one would follow along regardless of your party affiliation. Same goes for AA. Easy to make fun and criticize but harder to actually do something.

But something tells me you've tried that and were rebuffed and now you feel obligated to educate and warn the rest of us. Instead you end up floundering in the surf yelling about how dangerous water is.

For me your low point was to call Eagleton the Water Carrier for the Mayor (at least you didn't call him the waterboy). He is anything but that, he simply had a different perspective than you and made a different decision. He is the outside of the box councilor you should be defending.

I read about how the city of Tulsa basically stole the water rights of Spavinaw from the tribe that owned them. When city leaders came across resistance they went to the state and used the system to validate/justify their theft. Indians usually lost back then (no casinos to fund good representation). That was over 80 years ago. Now we are in the process of further limiting adjacent landowners rights on Spavinaw Creek to protect our water quality and once again there is resistance. We will win this one too. My point is that you may have misjudged just what our republic is and has been for a long time. And its like this at all levels all over the country. Do something about it. Write a book, make a movie, run for office...something.

Hint:

How do you KNOW that I'm not already holding local elective office, or sitting on one of our many facile Boards, Authorities, or Commissions?

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Rico

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Rico

Friendly Bear... You need to run for Mayor or City Council.

While you are weighing your options.... Please get back on your meds and try to make your Doctor appointments.

[]

I really appreciate your show of support.

What kind of meds do you recommend for me?

How about:  Viagra.

Bend over?

Now Bear.... Some of your latent Freudian tendencies are peeking through...

You remember changing your name from Uranus to Friendly Bear... That was a positive step.

I am not familiar with your med list.. I imagine something for High Anxiety...

By the way I was serious that you should run for office..

[}:)]

We talking Uranus.

Not mine.

[]

And, like I told Waterboy, how do you KNOW I don't already hold elective office?

[]

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Rico

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Rico

Friendly Bear... You need to run for Mayor or City Council.

While you are weighing your options.... Please get back on your meds and try to make your Doctor appointments.

[]

I really appreciate your show of support.

What kind of meds do you recommend for me?

How about:  Viagra.

Bend over?

Now Bear.... Some of your latent Freudian tendencies are peeking through...

You remember changing your name from Uranus to Friendly Bear... That was a positive step.

I am not familiar with your med list.. I imagine something for High Anxiety...

By the way I was serious that you should run for office..

[}:)]

We talking Uranus.

Not mine.

[]

And, like I told Waterboy, hold do you KNOW I don't already hold elective office?

Roscoe, is that you?