Homeless Hi-Rise at Admiral and Yale

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by AMP

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

You keep calling this White City which from my memory starts around 4th street to 11th street. It is the only decent neighborhood in four directions, is bounded on the south by a gnarly looking prostitute and car lot laden thoroughfare which is more damaging to their values. It is hardly at risk for any negative consequences from this building's residents.

You'd rather see a motel/hotel? Highway hotels rarely do much to improve the neighborhoods they sit in unless its like a suburban Doubletree. Most of them attract truckers looking for strip joints nearby, groups of kids looking for someplace to party and druggies bunking up for a couple days. Go over by I-44 and Riverside and check out what you're asking for. Heck, just go up the street on Admiral and Memorial and see what wonderful things the motels have done for that area.

Why carry the battleflag for this skirmish?

In a few cities I travel to there are typically low end and high end hotel/motels near the same area.  The Holiday Inn runs $80 per night, while the mom and pop operated motel 1/2 mile away runs $45 per night.  At Admiral and I-244 one finds the same mix of pricing and quality.  

Where at I-244 and Admiral is there a high end hotel/motel? La Quinta? At the airport but not on Admiral unless I've missed something.

Hotel people are not slow witted. Site location is their prime consideration. If there is demand, if there is availability of land, they will locate. Anyone know the occupancy rates or room count in Tulsa right now? Seems with the Arena and a potential Ball Park they would be scrambling to build more if they though it necessary. And there is certainly more cheap land along Admiral should they want to locate.

[Slappedtulsacitizen]

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[Gold]

quote:Originally posted by Red Arrow

quote:Originally posted by Gold

Now, I will say that if I ever hit the Powerball, I will see that the Beirut building, the Abundant Life building, and the apartments northwest of the Riverside and Denver intersection all come down.

Interesting thought. What would you put up?  Something besides a surface parking lot I hope.

Three Starbucks locations. [)]

I dunno.  I'm just taking them down.

[MDepr2007]

Has anyone heard why not buy and fix the hotel thats for sale above Coney Island. Perfectly positioned across the street from the bus station, one block from the library and 2 block from working part time jobs at the new arena.

[Rico]

quote:Originally posted by MDepr2007

Has anyone heard why not buy and fix the hotel thats for sale above Coney Island. Perfectly positioned across the street from the bus station, one block from the library and 2 block from working part time jobs at the new arena.

Just a guess... But I believe that piece of real estate would cost more than the lot at 10 S Yale.

But the main reason I believe is zoning.

Bear in mind none of the homeless shelters... such as the day center, John 3:16,
Salvation Army,not to mention Avalon, would be, if not for a bending of the zoning regulations.

They were never intended to be placed there.
At least the City Planners did not call for it.

What you are seeing at 10 South Yale is an un-clustering and new approach to dealing with the issue.

I doubt the building will cause the turmoil eluded to in this topic.

[MDepr2007]

quote:Originally posted by Rico

quote:Originally posted by MDepr2007

Has anyone heard why not buy and fix the hotel thats for sale above Coney Island. Perfectly positioned across the street from the bus station, one block from the library and 2 block from working part time jobs at the new arena.

Just a guess... But I believe that piece of real estate would cost more than the lot at 10 S Yale.

But the main reason I believe is zoning.

Bear in mind none of the homeless shelters... such as the day center, John 3:16,
Salvation Army,not to mention Avalon, would be, if not for a bending of the zoning regulations.

They were never intended to be placed there.
At least the City Planners did not call for it.

What you are seeing at 10 South Yale is an un-clustering and new approach to dealing with the issue.

I doubt the building will cause the turmoil eluded to in this topic.

But look at the chance to fix up a building that is also very visible... Not my money and our opinions don't matter anyway[]

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by Rico

quote:Originally posted by MDepr2007

Has anyone heard why not buy and fix the hotel thats for sale above Coney Island. Perfectly positioned across the street from the bus station, one block from the library and 2 block from working part time jobs at the new arena.

Just a guess... But I believe that piece of real estate would cost more than the lot at 10 S Yale.

But the main reason I believe is zoning.

Bear in mind none of the homeless shelters... such as the day center, John 3:16,
Salvation Army,not to mention Avalon, would be, if not for a bending of the zoning regulations.

They were never intended to be placed there.
At least the City Planners did not call for it.

What you are seeing at 10 South Yale is an un-clustering and new approach to dealing with the issue.

I doubt the building will cause the turmoil eluded to in this topic.

Uh, didn't your hood just fight a similar type of development successfully? Didn't your hood band together with other neighborhoods to fight it? You seem kinda nonchalant and dismissive about this, considering that. Does it not really matter to you since it's not in your backyard? Have you become one of those good NIMBYs Bates talked about?

[Porky]

I had someone ask me yesterday why they call this part of town White City. Does anyone know?

[Rico]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by Rico

quote:Originally posted by MDepr2007

Has anyone heard why not buy and fix the hotel thats for sale above Coney Island. Perfectly positioned across the street from the bus station, one block from the library and 2 block from working part time jobs at the new arena.

Just a guess... But I believe that piece of real estate would cost more than the lot at 10 S Yale.

But the main reason I believe is zoning.

Bear in mind none of the homeless shelters... such as the day center, John 3:16,
Salvation Army,not to mention Avalon, would be, if not for a bending of the zoning regulations.

They were never intended to be placed there.
At least the City Planners did not call for it.

What you are seeing at 10 South Yale is an un-clustering and new approach to dealing with the issue.

I doubt the building will cause the turmoil eluded to in this topic.

Uh, didn't your hood just fight a similar type of development successfully? Didn't your hood band together with other neighborhoods to fight it? You seem kinda nonchalant and dismissive about this, considering that. Does it not really matter to you since it's not in your backyard? Have you become one of those good NIMBYs Bates talked about?

The matter you refer to was the issuance of a variance for a "parole center"... Small difference between parole and indigent or mentally ill... wouldn't you say.?

That matter required a variance in order to be put into play. That is the only reason we had recourse.

If it is of any conciliation to these "nervous Nellies".....  There are no plans to close the Day Center, The Salvation Army, John 3:16, etc. and a variance goes on and on.

So if you and the others are correct that the key objective for these individuals is to get drunk, cause trouble, lower property values, etc.  Rest Easy... They will still be able to do so where they belong.
Downtown.

My "nonchalant" attitude may just be the perception that 75 individuals would barely be noticeable if that is all you had to deal with.  

[RecycleMichael]

quote:Originally posted by Porky

I had someone ask me yesterday why they call this part of town White City. Does anyone know?

Read page five of this thread.

[Porky]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

quote:Originally posted by Porky

I had someone ask me yesterday why they call this part of town White City. Does anyone know?

Read page five of this thread.

Thanks RM, that was really interesting.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by Rico

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by Rico

quote:Originally posted by MDepr2007

Has anyone heard why not buy and fix the hotel thats for sale above Coney Island. Perfectly positioned across the street from the bus station, one block from the library and 2 block from working part time jobs at the new arena.

Just a guess... But I believe that piece of real estate would cost more than the lot at 10 S Yale.

But the main reason I believe is zoning.

Bear in mind none of the homeless shelters... such as the day center, John 3:16,
Salvation Army,not to mention Avalon, would be, if not for a bending of the zoning regulations.

They were never intended to be placed there.
At least the City Planners did not call for it.

What you are seeing at 10 South Yale is an un-clustering and new approach to dealing with the issue.

I doubt the building will cause the turmoil eluded to in this topic.

Uh, didn't your hood just fight a similar type of development successfully? Didn't your hood band together with other neighborhoods to fight it? You seem kinda nonchalant and dismissive about this, considering that. Does it not really matter to you since it's not in your backyard? Have you become one of those good NIMBYs Bates talked about?

The matter you refer to was the issuance of a variance for a "parole center"... Small difference between parole and indigent or mentally ill... wouldn't you say.?

That matter required a variance in order to be put into play. That is the only reason we had recourse.

If it is of any conciliation to these "nervous Nellies".....  There are no plans to close the Day Center, The Salvation Army, John 3:16, etc. and a variance goes on and on.

So if you and the others are correct that the key objective for these individuals is to get drunk, cause trouble, lower property values, etc.  Rest Easy... They will still be able to do so where they belong.
Downtown.

My "nonchalant" attitude may just be the perception that 75 individuals would barely be noticeable if that is all you had to deal with.  

I look forward to Owen park and the TNA welcoming this project in their neighborhoods, then. White City is looking for alternate locations to suggest that this be moved to, I'll pass that location along to them.

[MDepr2007]

quote:Originally posted by Rico

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by Rico

quote:Originally posted by MDepr2007

Has anyone heard why not buy and fix the hotel thats for sale above Coney Island. Perfectly positioned across the street from the bus station, one block from the library and 2 block from working part time jobs at the new arena.

Just a guess... But I believe that piece of real estate would cost more than the lot at 10 S Yale.

But the main reason I believe is zoning.

Bear in mind none of the homeless shelters... such as the day center, John 3:16,
Salvation Army,not to mention Avalon, would be, if not for a bending of the zoning regulations.

They were never intended to be placed there.
At least the City Planners did not call for it.

What you are seeing at 10 South Yale is an un-clustering and new approach to dealing with the issue.

I doubt the building will cause the turmoil eluded to in this topic.

Uh, didn't your hood just fight a similar type of development successfully? Didn't your hood band together with other neighborhoods to fight it? You seem kinda nonchalant and dismissive about this, considering that. Does it not really matter to you since it's not in your backyard? Have you become one of those good NIMBYs Bates talked about?

The matter you refer to was the issuance of a variance for a "parole center"... Small difference between parole and indigent or mentally ill... wouldn't you say.?

That matter required a variance in order to be put into play. That is the only reason we had recourse.

If it is of any conciliation to these "nervous Nellies".....  There are no plans to close the Day Center, The Salvation Army, John 3:16, etc. and a variance goes on and on.

So if you and the others are correct that the key objective for these individuals is to get drunk, cause trouble, lower property values, etc.  Rest Easy... They will still be able to do so where they belong.
Downtown.

My "nonchalant" attitude may just be the perception that 75 individuals would barely be noticeable if that is all you had to deal with.  

It's more like 120 occupants , your number is the number of units ( plus or minus 1 )

[Rico]

Well Aa you have to "know when to hold them... and know when to fold them."

I'll take my chances..

White City is quite some distance from this development is it not??

That would have to be one industrious homeless fellow to make that stroll.
The liquor store is the other direction.

[}:)]

[waterboy]

AA, Flag Bearer for the NIMBY movement...Palladin, Palladin, where do you roam? Palladin, Palladin, far, far from home...

This anti group would be better off pooling their money to clean up 11th street rather than reaching over onto Admiral. They've certainly looked askance as Admiral slowly deteriorated into poor quality. Admiral doesn't even have curbs between Yale and Sheridan.

Whatever. I read with interest Pearson's opinion page piece in the World this morning. This strong movement to divide the city up on every issue simply serves to make sure we do nothing rather than offend anyone.