Homeless Hi-Rise at Admiral and Yale

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by carltonplace

quote:Originally posted by Flamingo

I've read that there are more shelters in other neighborhoods around town.  Does anyone know where they are or how to find out?  I think it would be interesting to drive by and have a look and to see what part of town they're located in.  A neighborhood called Forest Orchard, I believe it's called, has one and reports that they're having no problems at all.  Thanks.

Resonance is located at 16th and Elwood. While its not a "homeless shelter" it is a place where women that are recovering or have been released from recent incarceration are assisted back into the community. Resonance is a welcome neighbor in our area.

I think the term "homless shelter" does not apply in relation to either the YMCA or BTBL since the occupants do pay room and board.

Like I've said before,  put it at the abandoned homeland store on Denver just north of Highway 51 if this is such a nice facility. I find it ironic that you are talking like you are superior and more enlightened than everyone else, while moving this problem to Admiral & Yale gets this problem away from your neighborhood and downtown. I guess that makes you one of those good NIMBY's. The women don't live at Resonance and the facility does not accommodate anywhere near 120 people, either. That's comparing apples to oranges.

[Gold]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by carltonplace

quote:Originally posted by Flamingo

I've read that there are more shelters in other neighborhoods around town.  Does anyone know where they are or how to find out?  I think it would be interesting to drive by and have a look and to see what part of town they're located in.  A neighborhood called Forest Orchard, I believe it's called, has one and reports that they're having no problems at all.  Thanks.

Resonance is located at 16th and Elwood. While its not a "homeless shelter" it is a place where women that are recovering or have been released from recent incarceration are assisted back into the community. Resonance is a welcome neighbor in our area.

I think the term "homless shelter" does not apply in relation to either the YMCA or BTBL since the occupants do pay room and board.

Like I've said before,  put it at the abandoned homeland store on Denver just north of Highway 51 if this is such a nice facility. I find it ironic that you are talking like you are superior and more enlightened than everyone else, while moving this problem to Admiral & Yale gets this problem away from your neighborhood and downtown. I guess that makes you one of those good NIMBY's. The women don't live at Resonance and the facility does not accommodate anywhere near 120 people, either. That's comparing apples to oranges.

What is the asking price for the parcel of land where Homeland was?  Probably a lot more than 1st and Yale . . .

[Gold]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

Janet's piece should have been page 1....

It is really not hard to "pin down what is fueling the negativity."

Yes, "tough times and mistrust of power and authority", "the switch to council government", the small contrarians who garner a "disproportionate share of influence" combined to produce this climate! No maybe about it.

Thanks for turning me onto that.  It's a pretty good summary of the tinfoil hat crowd and other obscructionists.  They have no vision, for the most part.  A few just like to hear their own voices.

[MichaelBates]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

The fact is, almost no-one wants this near them, but no-one wants to pay bills, or go to work either. These are people that need this service and it's not just sticking homeless in a shack together, it is trying to get these people the help they need so they aren't homeless. As was pointed out by a sage purveyor of pies, if you put ANYTHING else in the place of the word "homeless" or "mentally ill" you would be billed as racist, sexist, etc. Imagine these headlines:

*Black Hi-Rise to be built near White City.

*Gay Condominiums to be built at straight intersection of Admiral and Yale.

*Muslim Motel makes waves in midtown.

So what does that say about the people who are working so hard to clear the YMCA and its residents out of downtown?

[carltonplace]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by carltonplace

quote:Originally posted by Flamingo

I've read that there are more shelters in other neighborhoods around town.  Does anyone know where they are or how to find out?  I think it would be interesting to drive by and have a look and to see what part of town they're located in.  A neighborhood called Forest Orchard, I believe it's called, has one and reports that they're having no problems at all.  Thanks.

Resonance is located at 16th and Elwood. While its not a "homeless shelter" it is a place where women that are recovering or have been released from recent incarceration are assisted back into the community. Resonance is a welcome neighbor in our area.

I think the term "homless shelter" does not apply in relation to either the YMCA or BTBL since the occupants do pay room and board.

Like I've said before,  put it at the abandoned homeland store on Denver just north of Highway 51 if this is such a nice facility. I find it ironic that you are talking like you are superior and more enlightened than everyone else, while moving this problem to Admiral & Yale gets this problem away from your neighborhood and downtown. I guess that makes you one of those good NIMBY's. The women don't live at Resonance and the facility does not accommodate anywhere near 120 people, either. That's comparing apples to oranges.

I'm fine with putting it at Denver and 11th. If you can make that happen I will not complain. This is a nice facility and the residents are harmless (not homeless as they pay rent).

I don't know why you are such a hater. Why do you think everyone else is an elitist?

My neighborhood is filled with low rent affordable housing not nearly as nice as this facility will be. A house a few doors down from me has squatters living in it and I mow their yard for them and pick up their leaves so the city won't hassle them.

You have no right to judge me or call me a NIMBY (good or bad).

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by carltonplace

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by carltonplace

quote:Originally posted by Flamingo

I've read that there are more shelters in other neighborhoods around town.  Does anyone know where they are or how to find out?  I think it would be interesting to drive by and have a look and to see what part of town they're located in.  A neighborhood called Forest Orchard, I believe it's called, has one and reports that they're having no problems at all.  Thanks.

Resonance is located at 16th and Elwood. While its not a "homeless shelter" it is a place where women that are recovering or have been released from recent incarceration are assisted back into the community. Resonance is a welcome neighbor in our area.

I think the term "homless shelter" does not apply in relation to either the YMCA or BTBL since the occupants do pay room and board.

Like I've said before,  put it at the abandoned homeland store on Denver just north of Highway 51 if this is such a nice facility. I find it ironic that you are talking like you are superior and more enlightened than everyone else, while moving this problem to Admiral & Yale gets this problem away from your neighborhood and downtown. I guess that makes you one of those good NIMBY's. The women don't live at Resonance and the facility does not accommodate anywhere near 120 people, either. That's comparing apples to oranges.

I'm fine with putting it at Denver and 11th. If you can make that happen I will not complain. This is a nice facility and the residents are harmless (not homeless as they pay rent).

I don't know why you are such a hater. Why do you think everyone else is an elitist?

My neighborhood is filled with low rent affordable housing not nearly as nice as this facility will be. A house a few doors down from me has squatters living in it and I mow their yard for them and pick up their leaves so the city won't hassle them.

You have no right to judge me or call me a NIMBY (good or bad).

What gives you the right to stand in judgment of these neighborhoods?

Your speciously sanctimonious statements ring hollow. You just seem offended for being called on it.

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

Janet's piece should have been page 1....

It is really not hard to "pin down what is fueling the negativity."

Yes, "tough times and mistrust of power and authority", "the switch to council government", the small contrarians who garner a "disproportionate share of influence" combined to produce this climate! No maybe about it.

Thanks for turning me onto that.  It's a pretty good summary of the tinfoil hat crowd and other obscructionists.  They have no vision, for the most part.  A few just like to hear their own voices.

Certainly. You are welcome.

BTW, notice who penned in next?

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by carltonplace

quote:Originally posted by Flamingo

I've read that there are more shelters in other neighborhoods around town.  Does anyone know where they are or how to find out?  I think it would be interesting to drive by and have a look and to see what part of town they're located in.  A neighborhood called Forest Orchard, I believe it's called, has one and reports that they're having no problems at all.  Thanks.

Resonance is located at 16th and Elwood. While its not a "homeless shelter" it is a place where women that are recovering or have been released from recent incarceration are assisted back into the community. Resonance is a welcome neighbor in our area.

I think the term "homless shelter" does not apply in relation to either the YMCA or BTBL since the occupants do pay room and board.

Like I've said before,  put it at the abandoned homeland store on Denver just north of Highway 51 if this is such a nice facility. I find it ironic that you are talking like you are superior and more enlightened than everyone else, while moving this problem to Admiral & Yale gets this problem away from your neighborhood and downtown. I guess that makes you one of those good NIMBY's. The women don't live at Resonance and the facility does not accommodate anywhere near 120 people, either. That's comparing apples to oranges.

I'm very disappointed in your view AA. If nothing else you've been a resolute champion for principles of fairness, equality, and justice. It almost seems as if you've traded them in for some political reasons.

How does keeping groups of people considered "troublesome" grouped in ghettos downtown, separated from others, fit into your past opinions?

Is it fair to have only the downtown neighborhoods shoulder this task? Yeah, there's lots of vacant land down there. There's also an empty unusable lot at 48th and Yale on the west side that has many nice advantages. Why isn't anything south of 11th street being considered. That would be fairness.

Is it equal treatment to make sure they are far from more mainstream populations? They want to be near and emulate successful people's lifestyles. Putting them all downtown to see only each other is hardly equality. It is closer to the way blacks were treated here for generations.

Is it justice to have them treated like zoo animals kept in plain sight downtown only to be viewed disdainfully when "good" people visit the arena and the ballpark?

I see you on the wrong side of this.

[carltonplace]

Oh I see. I'm wrong for thinking that these neighborhoods have an apparent bias towards their fellow humans because of the stink they are creating over what they think is a "homeless shleter" moving into the area.

I must be misinformed because their actions obviously show that I'm the one with the problem not them.

These are not the actions of a group of people responding out of fear and bias:

1.Creating a petition to recall their city counsilors for something outside of their control.
2. Blaming said councilors for the location, not providing a heads up, voting to approve private donations so that state funds could be secured.
3. Suggesting that there is a conspiracy to close the YMCA due to the opening of the BOK center
4. Calling people who live in downtown reverse NIMBYs
5. Numerous opinion letters printed in the daily paper, along with responses on the TW blog and in this forum that state point blank that they don't want that rif-raf in their neighborhoods undermining their property value
6. In these same formats launching hate filled bile at the donors and at the mayor

Yes, of course I'm the one who has a problem.

[MH2010]

Why don't they put it on Brookside. It could be a "urban, mixed use development!" It's not far from the river, (where alot of them stay, during the daytime and it's still close to TRMC, St. John's and Hillcrest so they can get their medication and have easy medical service.

[Double A]

Is it fair to put this in a North Tulsa commercial corridor in North Tulsa effectively killing any chance for real economic development in this commercial interstate corridor? I've been around Tulsa long enough to see what happens when social services move into the retail/commercial areas in  North Tulsa, the customers dry up and the businesses leave, never to come back. Is it fair to cluster so much of this type of housing in North Tulsa? The homeless are better served in the IDL. This is economic cleansing in the downtown area to clear the homeless from the IDL for a gentrified, homogeneous, elitist, population complete with taxpayer subsidized luxury lofts. That's why I'm pissed off about this.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

Is it fair to put this in a North Tulsa commercial corridor in North Tulsa effectively killing any chance for real economic development in this commercial interstate corridor? I've been around Tulsa long enough to see what happens when social services move into the retail/commercial areas in  North Tulsa, the customers dry up and the businesses leave, never to come back. Is it fair to cluster so much of this type of housing in North Tulsa? The homeless are better served in the IDL. This is economic cleansing in the downtown area to clear the homeless from the IDL for a gentrified, homogeneous, elitist, population complete with taxpayer subsidized luxury lofts. That's why I'm pissed off about this.

Well, you're getting close but no cigar. White City is not North Tulsa. The Admiral corridor has been declining for over 30years and this won't accelerate that.

But you're so close in my mind. When Blacks are persecuted, do they turn to Latino's and kick them in the donkey? Not usually. Following the same behaviour as your oppressors makes you no better and perhaps even worse.

I'm pissed too! Why is it either downtown, northside or near north? Why does Hillcrest and St.John's carry a larger burden of unpaid indigent healthcare than St.Francis and Southcrest? There is space all over this town and none of it is even being considered!

Don't aid and abet the process. Welcome well crafted and thoughtful programs into Admiral and Yale. Then make sure the next one is at 101st and Mingo, 48th and Yale or Utica %#*ing Square.[:O]

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by MichaelBates

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

The fact is, almost no-one wants this near them, but no-one wants to pay bills, or go to work either. These are people that need this service and it's not just sticking homeless in a shack together, it is trying to get these people the help they need so they aren't homeless. As was pointed out by a sage purveyor of pies, if you put ANYTHING else in the place of the word "homeless" or "mentally ill" you would be billed as racist, sexist, etc. Imagine these headlines:

*Black Hi-Rise to be built near White City.

*Gay Condominiums to be built at straight intersection of Admiral and Yale.

*Muslim Motel makes waves in midtown.

So what does that say about the people who are working so hard to clear the YMCA and its residents out of downtown?

So now we're bashing the fire code?

[Gold]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by MichaelBates

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

The fact is, almost no-one wants this near them, but no-one wants to pay bills, or go to work either. These are people that need this service and it's not just sticking homeless in a shack together, it is trying to get these people the help they need so they aren't homeless. As was pointed out by a sage purveyor of pies, if you put ANYTHING else in the place of the word "homeless" or "mentally ill" you would be billed as racist, sexist, etc. Imagine these headlines:

*Black Hi-Rise to be built near White City.

*Gay Condominiums to be built at straight intersection of Admiral and Yale.

*Muslim Motel makes waves in midtown.

So what does that say about the people who are working so hard to clear the YMCA and its residents out of downtown?

So now we're bashing the fire code?

Who wrote the fire code?

The oligarchs.

And "fire" starts "f," as in F&M Bank.

And the Arkansas river has banks.

So, it's all a conspiracy.  And even if it's not, let's just say it is.

[RecycleMichael]

You forgot to mention bananas.

How can we have a conspiracy without a banana republic?