Homeless Hi-Rise at Admiral and Yale

[sgrizzle]

All 3 of those are older complexes with a more dorm-like feel. These are 1 bedroom studio apartments with kitchens and bathrooms.

I like Bates but if he didn't have a flair for the dramatic, he wouldn't have a job at UT. Not to mention he never liked Gomez and has one of those little tear-off calendars counting down days until the next council election. (see, now that last part about the calendar was made up)

[waterboy]

MD, you give too much credence to columnists. Especially one who writes for a weekly alternative paper. Why haven't you shown support for Janet Pearson's excellent take on this in last Sunday's World? I happen to like Bates but not his politics and thats what this is. As long as the hatred exists between classes, parties and races in this town we'll have these opportunistic battles flaring up whenever some unpopular issue surfaces.

I'm around town a lot during the day. Firetrucks respond to fire alarms at many different complexes each day including apartments in cake eaters country. Senior citizen retirement homes are particularly prone to burning things. Do you also not want any of them in your neighborhood?

[godboko71]

Everyone take five steps back from the computer, breath, calm down and come back. Are you back yet? No, what about now?

Ok now that your back, do any of you remember why you where mad?

If not I will remind you, the THA is "overstepping" there bounds, that said, are you putting fire under the correct peoples asses? Most likely not, who manages the THA, how do they get there power? Once you know that go after that process with the people in power.
No one was purposely left out of the process, and again lots of donated money is helping a new home be built.

Conspiracy? I think not, let's face the facts, the YMCA is closing, the YMCA and its parent organizations all across the US are leaving, yes leaving the shelters business. No evil local plot here to hurt people, just what the YMCA as a private organization as a whole is exiting the shelter "business."

Why that property? I have no idea, but I can guess it (the home being built) is going to hurt the property values of the area any more than all the poorly maintained rental homes and low end commercial businesses. If anything aesthetically it will be a facelift to that part of the street.

If the neighborhood is that afraid of the people they should be this organized when they form neighborhood watches. An aware neighborhood is a safe one.

[carltonplace]

quote:Originally posted by MichaelBates

quote:Originally posted by carltonplace

Michael, I guess I need an education. What jobs are in our downtown? There are some construction gigs available but most of the jobs downtown are not exactly blue collar. What am I missing?

Believe it or not, there are still many blue collar jobs downtown, not to mention the industrial areas northeast and east of downtown and that wee oil refinery just across the river. Even in the office buildings and entertainment areas there are plenty of jobs that don't require a law degree or an MBA, but if you aren't looking for them, you might not notice.

Last I heard, 35,000 people work downtown. At its peak, back in the '80s, downtown employment was twice that number.

As a transit hub, downtown provides non-stop access to many more job-sites around Tulsa. There are 20 bus lines that serve the downtown bus station. Four of those are night lines that provide transportation for shift work and night courses.

At Admiral & Yale, there is only one bus line. It runs east and west along Admiral at 40 minute intervals. Transferring to any other line at the downtown station can mean a considerable wait. (The bus routes don't seem to be synchronized very well, partly because each route has a different frequency.) Being able to get where you need to go without a transfer makes bus travel much more practical.

RM, even if the Y wants to get out of the residence business, that doesn't mean they couldn't sell the facility to BTBL to remodel. And in response to someone who said they'd have to vacate the Y building to add sprinklers, buildings get modified all the time without clearing everyone out. Common Ground kept 200 residents of the Times Square Hotel in place when they remodeled it to become a 600-unit supported living facility.

Thanks Michael and I agree that a modification to the existing facility should be investigated, but I doubt that it could ever be modified to give the residents personal bathrooms and kitchens. Certainly building a new facility in downtown would meet with less resistance than the Admiral and Yale proposal.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by MDepr2007


Pioneer plaza has daily fire calls due to someone burning toast. This will put firefighters at more of a strain possibly for those living near Admiral and Yale.

Lafortune has many fire calls too but not as many.

Hewgley security would be laughable if the problem with protecting residents inside from the danger of people who prey on the weak wasn't serious.

Source?  Or are you exempt?

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by MichaelBates

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

The fact is, almost no-one wants this near them, but no-one wants to pay bills, or go to work either. These are people that need this service and it's not just sticking homeless in a shack together, it is trying to get these people the help they need so they aren't homeless. As was pointed out by a sage purveyor of pies, if you put ANYTHING else in the place of the word "homeless" or "mentally ill" you would be billed as racist, sexist, etc. Imagine these headlines:

*Black Hi-Rise to be built near White City.

*Gay Condominiums to be built at straight intersection of Admiral and Yale.

*Muslim Motel makes waves in midtown.

So what does that say about the people who are working so hard to clear the YMCA and its residents out of downtown?

So now we're bashing the fire code?

Who wrote the fire code?

The oligarchs.

And "fire" starts "f," as in F&M Bank.

And the Arkansas river has banks.

So, it's all a conspiracy.  And even if it's not, let's just say it is.

Well, sort of.  

Despite some ridiculing references to the Banana Republic of Tulsa, and the ruling Oligarch Families,

The Lorton's are principal shareholders of F&M Bank.

They are also charter members of the local Dozen Ruling Oligarch Families.

The Tulsa Fire Chief is carrying the water for the national Fire Protection Industry's efforts to find at least one gullible city to adopt their expansionist fire code, which requires ruinously expensive fire SUPPRESSION retrofits to old, existing high rise buildings.  

If their greedy goals are realized in the Banana Republic of Tulsa, then local fire chiefs around the country will use the City of Tulsa's revised Fire Code as a SEGUE to demand changes in local fire codes in hundreds of cities nationwide.

Resulting in $BILLIONS flowing into the pockets of the national FSSA Fire Protection Industry:  Johnson Controls, ADT, 3-M, Grinnell, etc., will get to line their pockets for decades to come.

See, ALWAYS Follow the Money.....

Tulsa seems to be the only city to have swallowed hook, line and sinker the bunk about making older high rise building safer.

and, a happy corollary effect of the new Tulsa fire code will cause the obsolescence of old, downtown high-rises, including the ubiquitous YMCA.

Y---M-C-A.

Y---M-C-A.

Name a single fatality in a downtown Tulsa high rise due to a fire in the last 40 years?

Anyone??

Answer:  None.

What will the Tulsa city leaders swallow next:

TulsaMetroChamberPots sponsored plan for a NON-STOP air service for a start-up Two Plane Regional Jet Airline?  

With only $40 million in our tax dollars for their capital, instead of private capital!

P.S. United Airlines already flies non-stop daily from Tulsa to L.A.X.

and,

Continental Airlines flies non-stop daily from Tulsa to Newark Int'l Airport.

How about a new downtown Driller Stadium instead, to line the pockets of the Rooney Looney Tune Oligarchia Familia vis-a-vis Manhattan Construction Co.??

[}:)]

[FOTD]

Bear....better tone it down or you'll have Vatican City on your tail.[]

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear


P.S. United Airlines already flies non-stop daily from Tulsa to L.A.X.

no they dont.  they fly from OKC to LAX.  expressjet flies to ontario until Sept 1st.  There hasnt been a direct flight to LAX since American in 2002 or so.

[RecycleMichael]

Bear needs to go to the woods because he is full of s%#t.

The fire marshall want buildings to be safe. It is not a conspiracy from the "suppression industry".

Doctors don't work for the drug companies, they want to heal. Preachers don't work for Bible distributors, they want to spread the word of God. As hard as it is for you to believe, the Public Works department doesn't repair roads to be in cahoots with the asphalt industry, they want good roads.

You really need to find some other focus in life besides making up conspiracy theories. You have become a laughingstock of a poster.

[FOTD]

So, you're putting FB in with the devils are you![:O][]

"Yes, 'n' how many ears must one man have
Before he can hear people cry?"
B. Dylan (Brady 8-27-08)

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael


You really need to find some other focus in life besides making up conspiracy theories. You have become a laughingstock of a poster.

well it that case you need to scoot over and make room.[}:)]

[RecycleMichael]

Thank you inteller. It is my goal to get people to laugh, especially on here.

I believe Friendly Bear's goal is to make people distrust each other.

What would you describe your goal on this forum to be?

[MDepr2007]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear


P.S. United Airlines already flies non-stop daily from Tulsa to L.A.X.

no they dont.  they fly from OKC to LAX.  expressjet flies to ontario until Sept 1st.  There hasnt been a direct flight to LAX since American in 2002 or so.

http://www.tulsaairports.com/index.cfm?id=53

[Juan Mad Okie]

quote:Originally posted by MDepr2007

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear


P.S. United Airlines already flies non-stop daily from Tulsa to L.A.X.

no they dont.  they fly from OKC to LAX.  expressjet flies to ontario until Sept 1st.  There hasnt been a direct flight to LAX since American in 2002 or so.

http://www.tulsaairports.com/index.cfm?id=53

now try booking a flight and see just how many non stops United has to LAX, I saw none.

[MDepr2007]

quote:Originally posted by Juan Mad Okie

quote:Originally posted by MDepr2007

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear


P.S. United Airlines already flies non-stop daily from Tulsa to L.A.X.

no they dont.  they fly from OKC to LAX.  expressjet flies to ontario until Sept 1st.  There hasnt been a direct flight to LAX since American in 2002 or so.

http://www.tulsaairports.com/index.cfm?id=53

now try booking a flight and see just how many non stops United has to LAX, I saw none.

hmmm. I hope they aren't wasting too much money on the billboards then. Maybe it's coming soon?