Should we look at Tulsa cirme and make changes?

[shadows]

Being fully aware that a similar tread was post on 1/29/2008 but is now incomplete in the archives where we also have a rising rate of a pretty crime wave increasing in the Tulsa.

We paint the cars with complete billboard sign from front to back as to make the millions of dollars of police cars visible showing they are  available still are driven home to be recalled in case  of emergencies .

Some 400+ of these are drove to the burbs each days and the cars sit in the suburbs drives with their police signs, are park 104 hours a week,. True they can respond in thirty minutes but how would you feel with a gun pointed at you or family from a suburb and you can criminal  he will take care of the next 40 minutes a as soon as the out of town police arrives..

At the shift change one can observe the highly painted police cars enter the express ways of out going police cars from the city.

The councilors are required to live in the city and their district still those who are required to control and enforce the ordinances while those along with crime obligations live outside city.

There us a unexplainable inherent instinct that exist among many persons who are unable to qualify to join the police department because of the college requirements.  Many of the lawmen that tamed the country did not play foot ball or have college hours.

It is time to hire dedicated policemen who live in the city who have a vested interest in to a secure of city.   400 police cars parked within the city for 16+hours a day would show the criminal element.   That would be over one and half painted sign post painted cars for each square mile.

It is time to wake up Tulsa.

[waterboy]

What ever happened to the investigations of the force by the feds? Did it result in any changes or reforms?

Police are suffering from the same lack of respect and credibility that our elected officials have earned. They know most cops don't have time to mess with petty crime.

Any one good story about police involvement and integrity is not enough to overcome the anecdotes that spread like fire when one of them abuses their power or uses their position for personal gain. Afterall, they are just paid government workers like any other. Along with the good guys some are lazy, some are greedy, some are crooked, some are stupid.

Recently, I became aware of an officer who counseled one of his family members on how to game the system by lawyering up and basically lying about a traffic incident. How to get fraudulent witnesses, what to say to the doctor for fake medical claims etc. Insurance companies don't like to go to court. A story like that gets around.

Visibility may help but I tend to doubt it.

[Wrinkle]

Shad, you should wait until after your first cup of java to post.

[shadows]

I have had my coffee and the situation has not changed.

How do you explain this.

A business located within 1000 feet of a all night Quick Trip was assaulted a week ago this last Friday night.

Some one attached a chain to an 6’ industrial chain gate to some kind of vehicle and completely destroyed  the gate.   Started the truck used in the erection business with a 16 foot trailer attached.  It contained a gas driven welding machine, drills, punches, grinders and etc.  

A neighbor call the owner on Saturday morning telling him the gate was a total disaster.   He went to the property and called the report into the police department at 10:00 A.M. They responded with a second shift officer at 4:30 P.M. filling out a report and not looking at the damage.

On Monday he was called and told they had found the truck and had towed it.  The Truck was found over six hundred feet from a road in an open field.   The Truck had been burned beyond use.

The city notified him that the truck was a road hazard and had been towed even  though he had his own wrecker service.   He was charged by the Tulsa wrecker hundreds of dollars that he was required to pay regardless of the condition of the vehicle.

400 of Tulsa police cars sits in out-of-city drives each day signifying to the criminal elements that the fox watches not the hen house because they are out of town with our sign painted police cars.

Time for our police cars to come home.

The charter says the mayor can furnish a police department.  She looks out of town for a police chief.   Could it be that she needs to look for an in town police department?        

[Wilbur]

We have to beat this take-home-car policy to death again?  Really?  Why don't you look at the other 100 threads about the same topic and give us a break!

[Rico]

^^^

Next... the flurry will be about the "Segway" take home policy..[8D]

From channel 2 >"The city has also ordered 6 segways to be used to patrol downtown during events.
Officers will be trained on those next week."<end quote

[shadows]

I have been audited by the IRS three times.  I paid, plus interest, because I drove a company car to eat and drove it home at times.  I am a firm believer In the equal protection clause.

A telephone girl that brought her lunch and sat at her desk was determined to be a standby phone operator  by the labor department and entitle to overtime pay when eating her lunch.

Mileage between place of employment and residence are under the tax code reduced to compensation  Those driving city vehicles three miles for personal use should be compensation under the equal protection codes the difference in cost of driving vehicles 50 miles a day for personal use.

I did not intend to rehash a policy that has gotten out of hand but the escalating operating cost of operating city vehicles is increasing beyond budget limitations.

Sorry but I hate to watch a city in default.    

 

[shadows]

We have tried horses, bicycles, motor cycles, gangs, and increase crime with the prediction within the next 3 decades the white race will be in the minority.

Channel 2 donating six segways for the curtailing the crime agenda will be greatly appreciated by the citizens of Tulsa as well as any thing to reduce crime.  

I wonder it they come equipped with back packs to where they can be strapped on the officers back as he negotiates the curbs and pot holes

[Wilbur]

quote:Originally posted by shadows

I have been audited by the IRS three times.  I paid, plus interest, because I drove a company car to eat and drove it home at times.  I am a firm believer In the equal protection clause.

A telephone girl that brought her lunch and sat at her desk was determined to be a standby phone operator  by the labor department and entitle to overtime pay when eating her lunch.

Mileage between place of employment and residence are under the tax code reduced to compensation  Those driving city vehicles three miles for personal use should be compensation under the equal protection codes the difference in cost of driving vehicles 50 miles a day for personal use.

I did not intend to rehash a policy that has gotten out of hand but the escalating operating cost of operating city vehicles is increasing beyond budget limitations.

Sorry but I hate to watch a city in default.    

And the title of your post 'Should we look at Tulsa crime and make changes?' has what to do with this?

[rwarn17588]

quote:Originally posted by shadows



... within the next 3 decades the white race will be in the minority.

You've claimed in your posts that you're an American Indian, shadows.

Since you claim to be a minority yourself, why should you care if whites eventually become a minority?

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by shadows

...used in the erection business

Oh, nevermind.

[shadows]

Wilbur:  Being all thing are relative, using it as an illustration as has been cited the visibility of  the highly painted police cars has the effect to deter crime.  In the instant case had one of the cars been sitting in the city it may have prevented the example cited or a like one which the total cost is charged to the citizens.  400 (one + for every square miles of the city) police cars being driven for personal use out side the city, in the allowable 50 miles a day round trip range, five days a week at 250 miles or 1,000 miles per month; using the 400 figure of those driven to residencies that fit the category; that is 400,000 miles per month that the citizens are having to pay without any benefits to Tulsa.  The cost of fuel, upkeep, and servicing  would be equal to totaling wearing out one new police car every 60 days with 800,000 miles of personal use on it.

We are driving the police cars to suburbs whereas the officer claims to be on standby which can cause the city a heap of trouble in a build up of standby time if they are in communication with the department.
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17588:  Have the papers on the desk.  Would post them but time will limit me to participating in the revolt of 2042 or sooner.

Have copy of Jackson’s promise that he will move the Indian to a new location of which will be theirs forever??
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Guido911:   I think that the common citizens of Tulsa feel they are getting the effects of an royal erection daily.

[Wilbur]

quote:Originally posted by shadows

Wilbur:  Being all thing are relative, using it as an illustration as has been cited the visibility of  the highly painted police cars has the effect to deter crime.  In the instant case had one of the cars been sitting in the city it may have prevented the example cited or a like one which the total cost is charged to the citizens.  400 (one + for every square miles of the city) police cars being driven for personal use out side the city, in the allowable 50 miles a day round trip range, five days a week at 250 miles or 1,000 miles per month; using the 400 figure of those driven to residencies that fit the category; that is 400,000 miles per month that the citizens are having to pay without any benefits to Tulsa.  The cost of fuel, upkeep, and servicing  would be equal to totaling wearing out one new police car every 60 days with 800,000 miles of personal use on it.

We are driving the police cars to suburbs whereas the officer claims to be on standby which can cause the city a heap of trouble in a build up of standby time if they are in communication with the department.
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17588:  Have the papers on the desk.  Would post them but time will limit me to participating in the revolt of 2042 or sooner.

Have copy of Jackson’s promise that he will move the Indian to a new location of which will be theirs forever??
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Guido911:   I think that the common citizens of Tulsa feel they are getting the effects of an royal erection daily.

First of all, your numbers are taken to the extreme.  The vast majority of people who drive outside the city DO NOT drive the 25 mile maximum.  Second, none of the cars are allowed to be used for personal use.

Additionally, and what I don't understand, according to your own profile, you live in Broken Arrow.  Why don't you ever complain about Broken Arrow doing the same thing (driving police cars outside of Broken Arrow)?  You living in Broken Arrow is on the receiving end of Tulsa officers driving cars home to Broken Arrow (well within the 25 mile limit).  You also never complain about the many other agencies having the same practice who drive and park their cars in Tulsa.  Why not?

Take the amount of extra fuel being spent to drive cars home and divide it by the entire city operating budget (just the operating budget, not even total city expenditures, which is a much larger amount) and you get 0.0002%.  We'd save more then that just turning off a few lights at city hall.  The city's electric bill is 3+X more then the gasoline bill.

And how do you measure crime deterrent?  It's not free!

And, you got me!  I vowed I wasn't going to get in this discussion again.

[shadows]

Wilbur:   The profile is true.  I am a native born Tulsan who birth certificate is one file at the health department.  

The constant resubmitting the municipal charter again, that placed total monarchal powers in a corporate programmed person caused the purchase of a home within the fence lines of NEW TULSA, which residents, new and old, thought the BA address would add prestige to the status quo    Being the only one to protest the removal of the fence allowing BA to annex New Tulsa and the annexing of the area in the fence line gave me the BA address.  This left me with three pieces of  property which are being taxes and fee’s constantly makes one want to look to ways, to in fairness reduce these taxes and fee’s of which are imposed on the property of which I have no voting rights.   The once battle cry of “Taxation without representation” is a reality to me today.

I was not aware that the assigning of a special highly painted police car, assigned to one person, who also was able to drive to residences outside the city to his residence in another city, was not personal use under the IRS tax codes.

If we cut the figures I used to the average of 12.5 miles each way we still come up with 200,000 miles monthly of personal transportation of city nonresidents, paid solely by Tulsa citizens.   If one uses the old cliché that the officer is on standby then that opens the door for any one of our million  attorneys to bring a class action suit to reclaim the millions of dollars owned by the city for being captive in the standby category.

The comparing of the percentage of the budget being used for personal transportation is like predicting the straw that would break the camel’s back.  I believe in fairness to all and equal protection to every citizen.   I think every vehicle bought by the citizen for community use should have the same high visible paint job with “Property of Tulsa” painted in the same font as “police” is painted on the cars paid for by the citizens for public use.

Having posted the true and open profile in an open presentation I feel I have answered why I have a BA address but a great interest in the Tulsa budget.    In many instants of budgeting I feel that the those who need financial assistance in lowering utility fee’s and property taxes are being short changed.    

[Gaspar]

Ok, lets examine some probable scenarios. . .

Chief --"Hello young man, welcome to the Tulsa Police force.  I see you passed your exams with flying colors."  

Officer--"Thank you sir, I'm looking forward to getting started on the force."

Chief--" Ok, I like your enthusiasm."  "  Here the key to your cruiser and a map with the boundaries of the area that you will need to relocate your family."

Officer--"Um. . . I don't want to live on North 36th street."

Chief--" Too bad, you must live within your beat."   " It's  required."

Officer--"I quit."  "I'll just have to take that warehouse job with UPS for twice the money, or work for the Post office for twice the money"


         -or-

Chief--"The new Tulsa police protection ordinance requires all officers to reside within their beats if they wish to drive a city vehicle home."

Officers--"Ok, we'll just drive our own vehicles home."  "Makes us less conspicuous at job interviews."

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Our fine police officers are not very highly paid.  Most of them are wonderful folks with families, who are in the business of giving to their communities.  I view them in almost the same light as military personnel.   I do not want to limit their freedom to live in whatever community they wish, nor do I think that a company car is unreasonable.  We have more important things to worry about than limiting the freedom of our under-paid city servants.  Don't we?