If I Hear "Historic" One More Time...

[Chicken Little]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

The use of the term "historic" is not as nauseating as the people CRYING during a f'in political rally.

There's no person alive or dead that has ever been involved in politics that should evoke emotions like that in any person tethered to reality.

I don't live and die by who occupies the white house.  No politician is that worthy of our admiration and emotional investment.

Get a grip folks.

IP's so tough that Old Yeller cried when he saw him.

I predict that they'll be some Republican boo-hooing next week at your rally.  And even more on November 5.

I myself am curious to see what kind of political speech you get by stringing together a half a dozen moose-huntin' stories.

Slam of the day, "(Sarah Palin) forces every American to ask him/herself, why aren't I running for president?"

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

As the devil correctly predicted, a monumental speech. One of the top political speeches in our country's history! HISTORIC!

"The record's clear: John McCain has voted with George Bush ninety percent of the time. Senator McCain likes to talk about judgment, but really, what does it say about your judgment when you think George Bush was right more than ninety percent of the time? I don't know about you, but I'm not ready to take a ten percent chance on change."...

What does it say about your judgement Conan?

At least we know where McCain stands.  Pretty hard to tell for certain who a candidate is if they shy away from voting with an NV.  Obama has had NV's on many of the wedge issues: children's healthcare (NV on a $160mm Coburn bill, tsk, tsk), abortion, energy, etc.  

He's either been too busy seeking higher office whilst still collecting his $180K + paycheck from the Treasury for his Senate "work", or too afraid to leave a paper trail for where he stands on issues.

Why does this not trouble you?  Why am I arguing with you about it anyhow?  You got duped a long time ago and are recruiting other dupes.

What a dupe bag. [8D]

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

As the devil correctly predicted, a monumental speech. One of the top political speeches in our country's history! HISTORIC!

"The record's clear: John McCain has voted with George Bush ninety percent of the time. Senator McCain likes to talk about judgment, but really, what does it say about your judgment when you think George Bush was right more than ninety percent of the time? I don't know about you, but I'm not ready to take a ten percent chance on change."...

What does it say about your judgement Conan?

At least we know where McCain stands.  Pretty hard to tell for certain who a candidate is if they shy away from voting with an NV.  Obama has had NV's on many of the wedge issues: children's healthcare (NV on a $160mm Coburn bill, tsk, tsk), abortion, energy, etc.  

He's either been too busy seeking higher office whilst still collecting his $180K + paycheck from the Treasury for his Senate "work", or too afraid to leave a paper trail for where he stands on issues.

Why does this not trouble you?  Why am I arguing with you about it anyhow?  You got duped a long time ago and are recruiting other dupes.

What a dupe bag. [8D]

Dupes....NO STUPES![]

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

The use of the term "historic" is not as nauseating as the people CRYING during a f'in political rally.

There's no person alive or dead that has ever been involved in politics that should evoke emotions like that in any person tethered to reality.

I don't live and die by who occupies the white house.  No politician is that worthy of our admiration and emotional investment.

Get a grip folks.

IP's so tough that Old Yeller cried when he saw him.

I predict that they'll be some Republican boo-hooing next week at your rally.  And even more on November 5.

I myself am curious to see what kind of political speech you get by stringing together a half a dozen moose-huntin' stories.

Slam of the day, "(Sarah Palin) forces every American to ask him/herself, why aren't I running for president?"

And anyone that does should be rounded up and sent packing. Just more evidence that some people think a political candidate can somehow save them.  This goes for both sides.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by USRufnex

People cry at weddings and funerals... folks at the republican convention shed tears at Ronald Reagan's speeches... and Obama supporters show emotion when a WONDERFUL POLITICAL SPEECH is delivered.  It was inspiring for alot of us...

Go back to your hole, IPLAW.

How astute of you to compare Barry's speech to a funeral.

Do you wake up angry every day naturally?

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

Slam of the day, "(Sarah Palin) forces every American to ask him/herself, why aren't I running for president?"

Another article comparing Palin to Quayle, as if she is the one who thinks the U.S. has 57 states comprised of typical white people.

[GG]

Here I thought it was historic because he was the first Presidential Candidate that was born in Hawaii.   [8D]

[waterboy]

Ip. There is no Barry. Your style of denigrate, slash, innuendo and spin is becoming history.

Just because you keep saying Obama has no experience, that Palin is qualified doesn't make it so. Bush had lots of experience. Experience in banking, oil, sports and a governorship. It didn't help much. Without the help of his connected father he couldn't successfully manage a Burger King. That's something he shares with McCain whose experience is mostly in failures. Failure to graduate from the academy out of the last quartile. Failure to return three fighter planes from what I read (he wasn't even qualified to fly them, daddy helped). Failure to adequately oversee S&L's in the 80's leading to an industry collapse which nearly ended his career in scandal. Earned him some history as part of the Keating Five. Failure to treat his wife decently which led to him cheating on her and divorcing her for a younger, richer wife (the Reagan's complained to him about his public mistreatment of his exwife). Some experience eh?

And how about Palin's experience? Gratuitously referred to as 2years (late fall 2006 to present) but somehow Senator Obama has only 153 days even though he spoke as a senator in the 2004 Dem convention? Nice spin. Of course he hasn't been a real executive like Palin who managed to sloppily involve herself with her sister's messy divorce that invited ethics investigations. There's some experience that most of us would have steered clear of.

Your name calling and spin is tedious. Support your candidates if you can. Play them up, they need it! When you guys slip off into the spin zone you sound pretty desperate.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy


Just because you keep saying Obama has no experience, that Palin is qualified doesn't make it so.

I agree that Palin has limited experience, but I also see that Obama has just as little.  It's just that we bothered to put the person with limited experience on the bottom of the ticket.

quote:
Bush had lots of experience. Experience in banking, oil, sports and a governorship. It didn't help much. Without the help of his connected father he couldn't successfully manage a Burger King. That's something he shares with McCain whose experience is mostly in failures. Failure to graduate from the academy out of the last quartile. Failure to return three fighter planes from what I read. Failure to adequately oversee S&L's in the 80's leading to an industry collapse which nearly ended his career in scandal. Earned him some history as part of the Keating Five. Failure to treat his wife decently which led to him cheating on her and divorcing her for a younger, richer wife (the Reagan's complained to him about his public mistreatment of his exwife). Some experience eh?

I can't help you with your Bush derangement syndrome.  He'll be gone soon and maybe you can move on?

quote:
And how about Palin's experience? Gratuitously referred to as 2years (late fall 2006 to present) but somehow Senator Obama has only 153 days even though he spoke as a senator in the 2004 Dem convention? Nice spin. Of course he hasn't been a real executive like Palin who managed to sloppily involve herself with her sister's messy divorce that invited ethics investigations. There's some experience that most of us would have steered clear of.

Again, Palin isn't running against Obama, McCain is.  

Your subjective, selective recount of Palin's experience sounds a whole lot like the old politics of the past, distorting for political gain. I find it amusing that the only thing you choose to select from here past is that which you think is advantageous for you party.

Meet the new era of politics, same as the old politics.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by waterboy


Just because you keep saying Obama has no experience, that Palin is qualified doesn't make it so.

I agree that Palin has limited experience, but I also see that Obama has just as little.  It's just that we bothered to put the person with limited experience on the bottom of the ticket.

quote:
Bush had lots of experience. Experience in banking, oil, sports and a governorship. It didn't help much. Without the help of his connected father he couldn't successfully manage a Burger King. That's something he shares with McCain whose experience is mostly in failures. Failure to graduate from the academy out of the last quartile. Failure to return three fighter planes from what I read. Failure to adequately oversee S&L's in the 80's leading to an industry collapse which nearly ended his career in scandal. Earned him some history as part of the Keating Five. Failure to treat his wife decently which led to him cheating on her and divorcing her for a younger, richer wife (the Reagan's complained to him about his public mistreatment of his exwife). Some experience eh?

I can't help you with your Bush derangement syndrome.  He'll be gone soon and maybe you can move on?

quote:
And how about Palin's experience? Gratuitously referred to as 2years (late fall 2006 to present) but somehow Senator Obama has only 153 days even though he spoke as a senator in the 2004 Dem convention? Nice spin. Of course he hasn't been a real executive like Palin who managed to sloppily involve herself with her sister's messy divorce that invited ethics investigations. There's some experience that most of us would have steered clear of.

Again, Palin isn't running against Obama, McCain is.  

Your subjective, selective recount of Palin's experience sounds a whole lot like the old politics of the past, distorting for political gain. I find it amusing that the only thing you choose to select from here past is that which you think is advantageous for you party.

Meet the new era of politics, same as the old politics.

Gosh, I feel like I could change a few names and regurgitate your post right back at you! I get it. You don't like Obama, doubt you like any Dem on general principles.

I did like McCain before he shifted on some basic beliefs. Back when he really was a maverick. This pick for VP is mystifying. I get the feeling he may not be listening to others and thinks he can just slip this by as genius. Chauncey Gardener genius. He may have been betrayed by his generation's mores rather than by his age. No woman I have spoken to thinks it is anything but patronizing and condescending.

I would have listed more about Palin but there is so dang little she's done. At least Obama has been able to do the amazing resume puffing job somewhat better.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

Gosh, I feel like I could change a few names and regurgitate your post right back at you! I get it. You don't like Obama, doubt you like any Dem on general principles.

I did like McCain before he shifted on some basic beliefs. Back when he really was a maverick. This pick for VP is mystifying. I get the feeling he may not be listening to others and thinks he can just slip this by as genius. Chauncey Gardener genius. He may have been betrayed by his generation's mores rather than by his age. No woman I have spoken to thinks it is anything but patronizing and condescending.

I would have listed more about Palin but there is so dang little she's done. At least Obama has been able to do the amazing resume puffing job somewhat better.

I liked James Trafficant...but just because of his hair.

I think taking on your own party and kicking it in the donkey is a great resume builder, as well as taking a stand against 300+ pork projects totally over 200 million dollars in her state.  She served on the Alaska Oil Commission and quit after blowing the whistle on her own party for ethics violations. Right in line with McCain of old.

Palin consolidated the base with conservatives and possibly peels off independent women voters on the fence.  I don't really think Hillary voters were the target, but if a few take the bait then so be it.

My wife is elated that she was chosen.  In fact, at dinner last night, every woman at the table was happy with the pick and loves the idea of a conservative woman who has a strong personality.  You may be asking the wrong women.

[]

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

Gosh, I feel like I could change a few names and regurgitate your post right back at you! I get it. You don't like Obama, doubt you like any Dem on general principles.

I did like McCain before he shifted on some basic beliefs. Back when he really was a maverick. This pick for VP is mystifying. I get the feeling he may not be listening to others and thinks he can just slip this by as genius. Chauncey Gardener genius. He may have been betrayed by his generation's mores rather than by his age. No woman I have spoken to thinks it is anything but patronizing and condescending.

I would have listed more about Palin but there is so dang little she's done. At least Obama has been able to do the amazing resume puffing job somewhat better.

I liked James Trafficant...but just because of his hair.

I think taking on your own party and kicking it in the donkey is a great resume builder, as well as taking a stand against 300+ pork projects totally over 200 million dollars in her state.  She served on the Alaska Oil Commission and quit after blowing the whistle on her own party for ethics violations. Right in line with McCain of old.

Palin consolidated the base with conservatives and possibly peels off independent women voters on the fence.  I don't really think Hillary voters were the target, but if a few take the bait then so be it.

My wife is elated that she was chosen.  In fact, at dinner last night, every woman at the table was happy with the pick and loves the idea of a conservative woman who has a strong personality.  You may be asking the wrong women.

[]

One of us is. But women are inscrutable beings and I suspect they don't really tell us the truth. []

I think Obama did some donkey kicking in his party too. He unseated established Clintonistas then made them like him. He voted counter to his party leaders and contemporaries on Iraq and made them eat crow. If his skills were only in image making and Beatlemania I would agree that he isn't ready. You don't pull off the above with just reading "guerilla marketing".

[RecycleMichael]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy
But women are inscrutable beings and I suspect they don't really tell us the truth. []

I never thought of that before. There is really no reason for them to, and now that you mention it we probably can't even handle the truth.

Thanks for the enlightenment. I have been getting it backwards all these years. I thought the reason men lie is that women ask so many damn questions.

[waterboy]

[] I didn't say they lied. I said I suspect they don't tell us the truth. A razor thin difference that serves to keep both sexes in a tenuous alloy relationship. Separate elements bound together.

Cause they, God and history all know they don't need us. We suspect the same.

[USRufnex]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

Ip. There is no Barry. Your style of denigrate, slash, innuendo and spin is becoming history.

Just because you keep saying Obama has no experience, that Palin is qualified doesn't make it so. Bush had lots of experience. Experience in banking, oil, sports and a governorship. It didn't help much. Without the help of his connected father he couldn't successfully manage a Burger King. That's something he shares with McCain whose experience is mostly in failures. Failure to graduate from the academy out of the last quartile. Failure to return three fighter planes from what I read (he wasn't even qualified to fly them, daddy helped). Failure to adequately oversee S&L's in the 80's leading to an industry collapse which nearly ended his career in scandal. Earned him some history as part of the Keating Five. Failure to treat his wife decently which led to him cheating on her and divorcing her for a younger, richer wife (the Reagan's complained to him about his public mistreatment of his exwife). Some experience eh?

And how about Palin's experience? Gratuitously referred to as 2years (late fall 2006 to present) but somehow Senator Obama has only 153 days even though he spoke as a senator in the 2004 Dem convention? Nice spin. Of course he hasn't been a real executive like Palin who managed to sloppily involve herself with her sister's messy divorce that invited ethics investigations. There's some experience that most of us would have steered clear of.

Your name calling and spin is tedious. Support your candidates if you can. Play them up, they need it! When you guys slip off into the spin zone you sound pretty desperate.

^^^ +1

... except that Obama had only won the Dem primary at the time of his 2004 Democratic convention speech... he then trounced Alan Keyes (who espouses similar views as a certain Mrs. Palin), and Obama captured over 70% of the vote... Obama was sworn in as a senator on January 4, 2005....