OH NO...not again...Toll Bridge???

[da dawg]

The South Tulsa Citizens Coalition sent this message out yesterday. Unbelievable that Jenks is apparently trying to build a bridge again considering the Supreme Court already told them NO with a 9-0 vote! Here's the memo from the STCC....

Dear STCC Supporter –
STCC has learned that the City of Jenks along with one of Oklahoma's Indian tribes is a week or so away from announcing a new plan to construct the South Tulsa bridge.  STCC has contacted both Tulsa Mayor Kathy Taylor and Tulsa City Councilor Bill Christiansen regarding this recent development and both public officials informed STCC that the City of Tulsa has unfortunately not been contacted by the City of Jenks to assist in developing the new bridge plan.  Further, STCC has unfortunately not been contacted by the City of Jenks to assist in developing the plan.  From STCC's standpoint, any new bridge plan must include (1) the City of Tulsa's participation in and equitable sharing of any revenues derived from the bridge, (2) the financing and construction of the infrastructure necessary to handle the future bridge traffic and (3) the northern connection point of the bridge being Riverside Drive.

As always, STCC appreciates your support and we will keep you advised of any new developments.

South Tulsa Citizens Coalition

[Jitter Free]

The arrogance of that city's mayor is unbelievable.  Again, no involvement of the neighborhoods and citizens.  Again, no involvement of Tulsa.

[Bat Bat]

So instead of getting Tulsa on board, Jenks goes and gets the Indians on board, what's up with that?

Is it just me or doesn't logic dictate that if you want to build a bridge from Jenks to Tulsa that you would get both cities on board with the project and also get the neighborhoods and citizens that would be affected on board as well.  Oh yea, that's logical what am I thinking about.

[TheArtist]

Let em build the bridge. Wherever the indian property meets the city property on the Tulsa side... simply put up a fence. Or better yet, just to drive the point home, a great big, cement, Berlin Wall type thing lol.  They can build all they want and spend all the money they want, but until they decide to help pay for the extra infrastructure on the Tulsa side  and have some revenue sharing agreement, aint nobody going across any bridge. If they want to be that way and find some crafty way of avoiding dealing with Tulsa, let em. They may find some legal way to do so, but its also legal for us to put up a fence or "safety barrier" on OUR property.

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by Bat Bat

So instead of getting Tulsa on board, Jenks goes and gets the Indians on board, what's up with that?

Is it just me or doesn't logic dictate that if you want to build a bridge from Jenks to Tulsa that you would get both cities on board with the project and also get the neighborhoods and citizens that would be affected on board as well.  Oh yea, that's logical what am I thinking about.

Time to kick Jenks out of the county.  Let Creek County have em.  []

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

Let em build the bridge. Wherever the indian property meets the city property on the Tulsa side... simply put up a fence. They can build all they want and spend all the money they want, but until they decide to help pay for the extra infrastructure the Tulsa side will need and have some revenue sharing agreement, aint nobody going across any bridge.

Although I agree with your sentiment, I don't believe that is possible. You can't land lock someones property in that way. They must have access even if it means travelling over someone else's property. Perhaps we could threaten to add an additional toll to help pay for access infrastructure improvements. If the toll is high enough its no longer feasible.

Jenks leadership is indeed arrogant and myopic. They'll by gawd get their bridge even if they have to team up with another country to do it. If the Indians back out look for them to secede!

[MH2010]

I always thought we should put a toll gate where the Creek Nation Casino property goes out to riverside drive.  We should charge $5.00 per vehicle to drive onto Tulsa city streets.  The money could help the City of Tulsa recover the additional costs of assisting all the people that are lossing their rent/food/medicine money.

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

Let em build the bridge. Wherever the indian property meets the city property on the Tulsa side... simply put up a fence. They can build all they want and spend all the money they want, but until they decide to help pay for the extra infrastructure the Tulsa side will need and have some revenue sharing agreement, aint nobody going across any bridge.

Although I agree with your sentiment, I don't believe that is possible. You can't land lock someones property in that way. They must have access even if it means travelling over someone else's property. Perhaps we could threaten to add an additional toll to help pay for access infrastructure improvements. If the toll is high enough its no longer feasible.

Jenks leadership is indeed arrogant and myopic. They'll by gawd get their bridge even if they have to team up with another country to do it. If the Indians back out look for them to secede!

Now the toll idea could work. Having a toll just before you get on and off the bridge access on the Tulsa side is perfectly reasonable to help pay for the added infrastructure and increased traffic flow. They cant complain about us doing that since they are essentially doing the same thing.

[patric]

If a tribe owns land along the river, they can put it into a BIA trust the same way they do casinos.
Once it's in trust it ceases to be Tulsa land and we have no jurisdiction.
The mayor, council, TMAPC, INCOG, voters, etc. are thrown out the window.


At that point the "tribe" could build anything it wants on "indian land" and we have a toll bridge rammed down our throats.
Just hope Jenks likes being in bed with the mob.

[Jitter Free]

IMO there must be infrastructure to handle the new bridge.  The streets around here are bad enough.  No infrastructure no bridge.  I like the additional toll idea.  What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

On the BIA trust thing, I don't think the Indian tribes own any land around the bridge area.

I think the land on the southside of the river is owned by citizens and is within the incorporated areas of Jenks.  Jenks has said they will use eminent domain to acquire the property for the toll bridge.

On the northside of the river, the land is owned by the City of Tulsa (west side of Yale) and by citizens east side of Yale).  I think all of this property is within the incorporated area of Tulsa.

[patric]

quote:Originally posted by Jitter Free

I don't think the Indian tribes own any land around the bridge area.

They could either buy land, or someone could deed it to a tribe in a backdoor land deal.  They dont build casinoes on ancient burial grounds, they buy prime real estate and get the federal government to evict the landlord.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by patric

quote:Originally posted by Jitter Free

I don't think the Indian tribes own any land around the bridge area.

They could either buy land, or someone could deed it to a tribe in a backdoor land deal.  They dont build casinoes on ancient burial grounds, they buy prime real estate and get the federal government to evict the landlord.

From what I've read its not quite that simple. Otherwise every tribe member would be buying land and then asking for tribal sovereignty. There were deals made and land swapped at the Riverside location. They prefer to work with the communities they exploit. (I should add, the feds taught them that!)

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by patric

quote:Originally posted by Jitter Free

I don't think the Indian tribes own any land around the bridge area.

They could either buy land, or someone could deed it to a tribe in a backdoor land deal.  They dont build casinoes on ancient burial grounds, they buy prime real estate and get the federal government to evict the landlord.

From what I've read its not quite that simple. Otherwise every tribe member would be buying land and then asking for tribal sovereignty. There were deals made and land swapped at the Riverside location. They prefer to work with the communities they exploit. (I should add, the feds taught them that!)

I will be emailing my MCN Council Representatives to find out more about this.

[Gold]

I was out in south Tulsa, near the river, not too long ago and needed to get to Glenpool.  A bridge sure would have helped.  It kind of left an impresssion with me on this issue.  It's one thing to question the politics of it and quite another to question the need for infrastructure.

[sgrizzle]

How far south? South of the 96th and 101st Bridges?