THE GOP POTTY IN ST. PAUL

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by akupetsky

quote:Originally posted by Cubs

haha ... you are funny

"with not a single "republican" sign or banner in the room " .... I didn't realize this was a bad thing .... maybe it means we republicans care more about our country than our party .... did you notice the republicans like to chant "USA," meanwhile all the demmies could do is chant "Obama" or "change" or "yes we can" .... it shows a different focus of the parties, the Repubs care about our country, the Dems only about their party

Watching tonight's festivities, it seems more like Repubs like to chant about the country and make up stories about Dems while Dems like to actually figure out how to improve the country.  And what's with the extreme militarism and the rewriting of the history of the Georgia conflict by Guliani?  (Did anyone count how many times he mentioned 9/11?)

The whole evening was offensive to true patriotism. Our founding fathers are rolling in their graves. This is not what they envisioned!


http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=183780

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

quote:Originally posted by akupetsky

quote:Originally posted by Cubs

haha ... you are funny

"with not a single "republican" sign or banner in the room " .... I didn't realize this was a bad thing .... maybe it means we republicans care more about our country than our party .... did you notice the republicans like to chant "USA," meanwhile all the demmies could do is chant "Obama" or "change" or "yes we can" .... it shows a different focus of the parties, the Repubs care about our country, the Dems only about their party

Watching tonight's festivities, it seems more like Repubs like to chant about the country and make up stories about Dems while Dems like to actually figure out how to improve the country.  And what's with the extreme militarism and the rewriting of the history of the Georgia conflict by Guliani?  (Did anyone count how many times he mentioned 9/11?)

The whole evening was offensive to true patriotism. Our founding fathers are rolling in their graves. This is not what they envisioned!


http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=183780

Especially that part where the Founding Fathers put 'under God' in the Pledge of Allegiance.

Especially considering the Pledge wasn't written until 1892.

Those Founding Fathers have longevity, dontcha know?

http://technorati.com/posts/BmgWrm5ObXfcihAVrwVDqBE5IMM0bXFX00Ieg453wtM%3D

Wow...

[bugo]

quote:Originally posted by Cubs

haha ... you are funny

"with not a single "republican" sign or banner in the room " .... I didn't realize this was a bad thing .... maybe it means we republicans care more about our country than our party .... did you notice the republicans like to chant "USA," meanwhile all the demmies could do is chant "Obama" or "change" or "yes we can" .... it shows a different focus of the parties, the Repubs care about our country, the Dems only about their party

No, the reason the Repubs chanted "USA" is because they're desperate enough to resort to base jingoism.  The RNC has been pathetic.  The Dems don't need to stoop to such lowest common denominator tactics.

[Conan71]

It's foreign to you libs that there's no cult of personality surrrounding McCain's campaign like there is around Obama's and that suits the thinking voter just fine.

It's about the country, not the candidate.

Palin used the better part of her speech to introduce herself.  At times it seemed trite, but at all times, it showcased a toughness, courage, sense of humor, and a drive, more than anything to make a difference.  She's made substantive differences in her previous positions.  She's got a record and she's proud of it.  Anything questionable, she wants wide open to scruitiny.

I'd say she's one of the bolder politicians I've ever seen.

[USRufnex]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Cubs

haha ... you are funny

"with not a single "republican" sign or banner in the room " .... I didn't realize this was a bad thing .... maybe it means we republicans care more about our country than our party .... did you notice the republicans like to chant "USA," meanwhile all the demmies could do is chant "Obama" or "change" or "yes we can" .... it shows a different focus of the parties, the Repubs care about our country, the Dems only about their party

Yes, and the Democrat Convention Theme Song?

Back in the USSR.......by The Beatles.

Back in the USSR?... LOL.... more of your alternative universe "Dems are pinko-commies" bull mularkey.

Gee, I guess Bruce Springsteen and John Cougar Mellencamp are pinko commies too?!?  [)]

Liveblogging Romney, Huckabee, Giuliani... and Sarah Palin
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/oliverburkemanblog/2008/sep/04/uselections2008.johnmccain

8.22pm: And now they're all clapping and dancing to a song called If You're Going Through Hell, which seems... oddly chosen.

8.26pm: All this music is about roughnecks and cowboys and the West, backing up the message of hard-drinking — no, hang on a second! — teetotal roughneck Mitt Romney. And yet the fact is that I am eating a chicken salad with lettuce and olives, and that you can buy lattes and espressos in the press centre here, which you certainly couldn't in Denver. The Republican convention is elitist.

8.29pm: Here's Mike Huckabee, sneerily thanking "the elite media" for doing something he thought "couldn't be done" — uniting the party behind McCain/Palin. (That's a rather double-edged compliment, when you think about it.) The reporting has been "tackier than a costume change at a Madonna concert"


Here's the theme song heard at the RNC tonight...

Rodney Atkins...
If You're Going Through Hell (Before The Devil Even Knows)

Well you know those times
When you feel like there's a sign there on your back
Say's I don't mind if ya kick me
Seems like everybody has
Things go from bad to worse
You'd think they can't get worse than that
And then they do

You still walk the straight and narrow
And you don't know where you are
Use the needle of your compass
To sew up your broken heart
Ask directions from a genie
In a bottle of Jim Beam
And she lies to You
That's when you learn the truth

If you're going through hell

YEP... a pretty appropriate song for this year's Republican propaganda machine.

[USRufnex]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

It's foreign to you libs that there's no cult of personality surrrounding McCain's campaign like there is around Obama's and that suits the thinking voter just fine.

It's about the country, not the candidate.

Palin used the better part of her speech to introduce herself.  At times it seemed trite, but at all times, it showcased a toughness, courage, sense of humor, and a drive, more than anything to make a difference.  She's made substantive differences in her previous positions.  She's got a record and she's proud of it.  Anything questionable, she wants wide open to scruitiny.

I'd say she's one of the bolder politicians I've ever seen.

I call BS, Conan.  In Obama, you have a STATESMAN.  You may not like his views, fine.  Don't vote for him.  I wouldn't expect a Global Warming denier like yourself to vote for a Dem for president anytime before I die, anyway...

"It's about the country, not the candidate"...  LOL... I never got the impression from any of Obama's speeches or his worldview that it was about him...

Here's a quote for you before you start perpetuating LIES that the Obama campaign isn't about the country, it's about the candidate...

After he won Iowa caucuses...
http://www.redroom.com/blog/barack-obama/remarks-senator-barack-obama-iowa-caucus-night
"This was the moment when we finally beat back the politics of fear, and doubt, and cynicism; the politics where we tear each other down instead of lifting this country up. This was the moment."

From his address to the Democratic National Convention:
"It's not about me, it's about you ... this election has never been about me; its been about you the American people."-- Barack Obama

But you Republican koolaid drinkers constantly attack people's character and WHINE about the media... and you consistently attack democrats' patriotism and love of country...

You talk of hypocrisy, Conan... yet...

I remember a certain Ronald Reagan who had his own cult-of-personality...

The cult of Reagan
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2000/sep/15/uselections2000.worlddispatch

The Reagan Legacy Project, which has its headquarters in Washington, states without any qualification that "Ronald Reagan was America's greatest president". Its aim is to ensure "naming something significant after President Reagan in each of the 50 states and in every county of America."





So, if John Kerry was an obvious flip-flopper, what does that make John McCain?  Oh, that's right... he's a maverick.[}:)]  Yeah, pull my finger... yes, pull it!!!  And wasn't Palin actually FOR the bridge to nowhere before she was against it???  Did anyone ever point out that all the money earmarked for the bridge to nowhere still went to Alaska-- for other projects???  She didn't save the taxpayers a friggin' dime...

Palin "bridge to nowhere" line angers many Alaskans
Mon Sep 1, 2008
http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed7/idUSN3125537020080901

--National fury over the bridge caused Congress to remove the earmark designation, but Alaska was still granted an equivalent amount of transportation money to be used at its own discretion.  

Last year, Palin announced she was stopping state work on the controversial project, earning her admirers from earmark critics and budget hawks from around the nation. The move also thrust her into the spotlight as a reform-minded newcomer.

The state, however, never gave back any of the money that was originally earmarked for the Gravina Island bridge, said Weinstein and Elerding.

In fact, the Palin administration has spent "tens of millions of dollars" in federal funds to start building a road on Gravina Island that is supposed to link up to the yet-to-be-built bridge, Weinstein said.

"She said 'thanks but no thanks,' but they kept the money," said Elerding about her applause line.

When will FoxNews report on that???

Republican hypocrisy knows no bounds.

[Conan71]

A post full of ad hominems, but that's to be expected.  No one can seem to come up with any substance on Obama, so they keep citing his rhetoric.  "It's not about me..." sure I believe that, just because he said it.

Reagan was an accomplished leader with a track record.  He EARNED his rabid following only AFTER making substantive accomplishments as a leader.  He didn't get a pass from the media and he failed in his first attempt at the nomination.

Are you EVER going to give specifics on what Obama did for the South Side of Chicago as a community organizer, his district as a state Senator, or any legislation or leadership he showed in the U.S. Senate?

I don't think you can, because there are no specifics to list.  He's charming and he organized his district on the SS, we get that.

He's running on his personality and future-speaking rhetoric because he really has no past accomplishments of any substance which would be attractive to voters.
 

[USRufnex]

More propaganda masquerading as conventional wisdom from you, Conan.

Of course, Obama isn't going to have the list of accomplishments of old farts like McCain and Reagan.... but I deeply respect Obama's work, many of his political views, and his accomplishments... and for anyone to play the little "Palin is more experienced" game is nothing more than a cheapshot....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4578207

What has Barack Obama ever accomplished?

"Some Say" that those who support Obama do so without a clue, and do so because of a "Svengali" effect his has on his "cult".

I say that it is unfortunate, in this age of the Internet, that folks aren't able to inform themselves, yet are able to post on a Political blog to have a say.

I have done my research on Sen. Obama, and so have many of the others who support him. Maybe that is why he is attracting the most educated progressives in this nation; maybe it is because they do their homework, and do not rely on name recognition to determine whom to vote for.

So to inform you, please note the following articles that sum up some of what Barack has "done" in his last 11 years in public office. Considering that Obama may be the Democratic Nominee, I believe that it is important for you, as a public voice, to be informed:

His bold legislative work on the Illinois Death Penalty, and how he made a difference between life and death:
http://www.icadp.org/page236.html
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/12/obama.death.pena... /

His sponsorship of a bill that brought health insurance to 150,000, including 70,000 uninsured Children, again, during his time serving in the Illinois Statehouse:
http://factcheck.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/12/14/f...
http://mediamatters.org/items/200712170003

His work on both the Immigration bill during his time in the US senate and his sponsorship of Ethics legislation (something he did both while in the State House, and in the Senate) that called for some of the most impactful reform regarding lobbyists since Watergate (as he likes to term it):
http://factcheck.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/12/14/f...
http://feingold.senate.gov/~feingold/releases/07/01/200...

Here's a chart of many of his accomplishments during his 8 years in the Illinois state house -



and his sponsored and co sponsored Bills in the U.S. Senate.......which include worthwhile bills dealing with a wide range of issues, from Election reform bills to the Cooperative Proliferation Detection reduction Act (w/t Sen. Lugar) to Internet database transparency Act.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/271 /
http://www.america.gov/st/washfile-english/2005/Novembe...
http://obama.senate.gov/press/060908-senate_passes_c /

http://thomas.loc.gov / (Select Obama's name from the Senator drop down)

This does not lists all of his accomplishments, nor does it deals with his accomplishments prior to entering elected office.

Bottomline, it is Hillary's accomplishments since her Senate tenure that are not clear. She's been there longer than Barack, and still has done underwhelming little compared to Obama's accomplishments in less years.

In addition, if the way Hillary has ran her campaign, without a Plan B, is any indication of how she will run our White House, I say, I'll pass. Obama has shown that he can produce results under enormous odds (see his campaign and what it accomplished), and that in itself speaks more to who will truly be "ready from day one".

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by USRufnex

More propaganda masquerading as conventional wisdom from you, Conan.

Of course, Obama isn't going to have the list of accomplishments of old farts like McCain and Reagan.... but I deeply respect Obama's work, many of his political views, and his accomplishments... and for anyone to play the little "Palin is more experienced" game is nothing more than a cheapshot....

He's been a Senator since, what 1996, that's 12 years.  He should have a long track record.  Okay, so he's sponsored or co-sponsored bills.  He's glommed on to other's work.  Has he "authored" his own legislation?

I still don't see anywhere that he has.

I still don't see anything substantive of his years as a community organizer.  

[FOTD]

[quote

Rodney Atkins...
If You're Going Through Hell (Before The Devil Even Knows)

Well you know those times
When you feel like there's a sign there on your back
Say's I don't mind if ya kick me
Seems like everybody has
Things go from bad to worse
You'd think they can't get worse than that
And then they do

You still walk the straight and narrow
And you don't know where you are
Use the needle of your compass
To sew up your broken heart
Ask directions from a genie
In a bottle of Jim Beam
And she lies to You
That's when you learn the truth

If you're going through hell

YEP... a pretty appropriate song for this year's Republican propaganda machine.





[/quote]


pancakes RUFF!!!!?

Those Rethugs are stealing this devil's material. This is FOTD's terrortory.
You whiney bitter repiglicans stop stealing my material! Back in the USSR my donkey.

[Gaspar]

I guess you don't understand what it means to "Sponsor" a bill as compared to "Authoring" or "Introducing" a bill.

"Mr. Obama, will you sign off on my bill for restricting squirt-guns in schools."  "Sure."

That's sponsoring.

He hasn't introduced a single bill.  Not one.  No original thought or legislation.  None. Zero. Zip. Zilch. Nada.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

I guess you don't understand what it means to "Sponsor" a bill as compared to "Authoring" or "Introducing" a bill.

"Mr. Obama, will you sign off on my bill for restricting squirt-guns in schools."  "Sure."

That's sponsoring.

He hasn't introduced a single bill.  Not one.  No original thought or legislation.  None. Zero. Zip. Zilch. Nada.

Brilliant imagery last nite during Gov. Palin's speech.

Referring to Obama:

Crowd shouted ZERO.

Exactly.

He's a Zero.  

[USRufnex]

Conan, you keep acting like none of Obama's supporters have ever researched him...

Sarah Palin has NO ROOM TO CRITIQUE the responsibilities of a community organizer compared to say..... the responsibilities of the mayor of Wassila, Alaska... or the mayor of Owasso, OK.....

Here's a very lengthy article from the Chicago Reader that I read on one of my 30min commutes from Rogers Park to the Loop back in '95... I'm pretty sure that was the first time I'd heard of Obama, since his first book was published the previous summer... and some of these quotes from 1995 are remarkably consistent with his message today.... compare to John McCain's views in 1995, then 2000, then 2008???

What Makes Obama Run?

Lawyer, teacher, philanthropist, and author Barack Obama doesn't need another career. But he's entering politics to get back to his true passion--community organization.

By Hank De Zutter
December 8, 1995

http://www.chicagoreader.com/obama/951208/

......He gave up a job as a financial writer with an international consulting firm and became a $1,000-a-month community organizer.

Here in Chicago, Obama worked as lead organizer for the Developing Communities Project, a campaign funded by south-side Catholic churches to counteract the dislocation and massive unemployment caused by the closing and downsizing of southeast Chicago steel plants.

From 1984 to '88 Obama built an organization in Roseland and the nearby Altgeld Gardens public housing complex that mobilized hundreds of citizens. Obama says the campaign experienced "modest successes" in winning residents a place at the table where a job-training facility was launched, asbestos and lead paint were negotiated out of the local schools, and community interests were guarded in the development of the area's landfills.

Obama left for Harvard in 1988, vowing to return. He excelled at Harvard Law and gave up an almost certain Supreme Court clerkship to come back as promised. Here he met and married his wife, Michelle, a fellow lawyer and activist, joined a law firm headed by Judson Miner, Mayor Washington's corporation counsel, moved into a lakefront condominium in Hyde Park, and launched a busy civic life. He sits on the boards of two foundations with long histories of backing social and political reform, including his own community work--the Woods Fund and the Joyce Foundation. Recently he was appointed president of the board of the Annenberg Challenge Grant, which will distribute some $50 million in grants to public-school reform efforts.

In 1992 Obama took time off to direct Project Vote, the most successful grass-roots voter-registration campaign in recent city history. Credited with helping elect Carol Moseley-Braun to the U.S. Senate, the registration drive, aimed primarily at African-Americans, added an estimated 125,000 voters to the voter rolls--even more than were registered during Harold Washington's mayoral campaigns. "It's a power thing," said the brochures and radio commercials.

Obama's work on the south side has won him the friendship and respect of many activists. One of them, Johnnie Owens, left the citywide advocacy group Friends of the Parks to join Obama at the Developing Communities Project. He later replaced Obama as its executive director.

"What I liked about Barack immediately is that he brought a certain level of sophistication and intelligence to community work," Owens says. "He had a reasonable, focused approach that I hadn't seen much of. A lot of organizers you meet these days are these self-anointed leaders with this strange, way-out approach and unrealistic, eccentric way of pursuing things from the very beginning. Not Barack. He's not about calling attention to himself. He's concerned with the work. It's as if it's his mission in life, his calling, to work for social justice.

"Anyone who knows me knows that I'm one of the most cynical people you want to see, always looking for somebody's angle or personal interest," Owens added. "I've lived in Chicago all my life. I've known some of the most ruthless and biggest bull****ters out there, but I see nothing but integrity in this guy."

Jean Rudd, executive director of the Woods Fund, is another person on guard against self-appointed, self-promoting community leaders. She admires not only Obama's intelligence but his honesty. "He is one of the most articulate people I have ever met, but he doesn't use his gift with language to promote himself. He uses it to clarify the difficult job before him and before all of us. He's not a promoter; from the very beginning, he always makes it clear what his difficulties are. His honesty is refreshing."

Woods was the first foundation to underwrite Obama's work with DCP. Now that he's on the Woods board, Rudd says, "He is among the most hard-nosed board members in wanting to see results. He wants to see our grants make change happen--not just pay salaries."

Another strong supporter of Obama's work--as an organizer, as a lawyer, and now as a candidate--is Madeline Talbott, lead organizer of the feisty ACORN community organization, a group that's a thorn in the side of most elected officials. "I can't repeat what most ACORN members think and say about politicians. But Barack has proven himself among our members. He is committed to organizing, to building a democracy. Above all else, he is a good listener, and we accept and respect him as a kindred spirit, a fellow organizer."

Obama continues his organizing work largely through classes for future leaders identified by ACORN and the Centers for New Horizons on the south side. Conducting a session in a New Horizons classroom, Obama, tall and thin, looks very much like an Ivy League graduate student. Dressed casually prep, his tie loosened and his top shirt button unfastened, he leads eight black women from the Grand Boulevard community through a discussion of "what folks should know" about who in Chicago has power and why they have it. It's one of his favorite topics, and the class bubbles with suggestions about how "they" got to be high and mighty.

"Slow down now. You're going too fast now," says Obama. "I want to break this down. We talk 'they, they, they' but don't take the time to break it down. We don't analyze. Our thinking is sloppy. And to the degree that it is, we're not going to be able to have the impact we could have. We can't afford to go out there blind, hollering and acting the fool, and get to the table and don't know who it is we're talking to--or what we're going to ask them--whether it's someone with real power or just a third-string flak catcher."

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Compare this to the SHRILL and PETTY criticism from Sarah Palin at the RNC....

I'll take Obama's substance.... over McCain's political pandering by choosing Gov. Palin as his VP along with his pander to her right-wing  evangelical activists over at the Assemblies of God Church, thank you very much...

[USRufnex]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

Brilliant imagery last nite during Gov. Palin's speech.

Referring to Obama:

Crowd shouted ZERO.

Exactly.

He's a Zero.  

And that makes all of you.... LIARS.

[patric]

When I read the title of this threat I was certain it was referring to this video:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=184084&title=the-best-fking-news-team-ever&byDate=true