THE GOP POTTY IN ST. PAUL

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by USRufnex


And that makes all of you.... LIARS.

Look out, MichaelC/Neptune has hacked Ruff's account.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by USRufnex

Conan, you keep acting like none of Obama's supporters have ever researched him...



Compare this to the SHRILL and PETTY criticism from Sarah Palin at the RNC....

I'll take Obama's substance.... over McCain's political pandering by choosing Gov. Palin as his VP along with his pander to her right-wing  evangelical activists over at the Assemblies of God Church, thank you very much...

Still can't cite any legislation authored by Obama, can you?

[USRufnex]

I just want a certain amount of respect for Obama..... and a certain amount of respect for community activism.... and a certain amount of respect for... public service.

I tire of people making all sorts of backhanded accusations about Obama and his supporters... enough is enough.

Maybe after Sarah Palin participates in 23 debates, I'll have more respect for her.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by USRufnex

I just want a certain amount of respect for Obama..... and a certain amount of respect for community activism.... and a certain amount of respect for... public service.

I tire of people making all sorts of backhanded accusations about Obama and his supporters... enough is enough.

Maybe after Sarah Palin participates in 23 debates, I'll have more respect for her.

Oh I get it, running for office is experience. [}:)]

[USRufnex]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by USRufnex

Conan, you keep acting like none of Obama's supporters have ever researched him...



Compare this to the SHRILL and PETTY criticism from Sarah Palin at the RNC....

I'll take Obama's substance.... over McCain's political pandering by choosing Gov. Palin as his VP along with his pander to her right-wing  evangelical activists over at the Assemblies of God Church, thank you very much...

Still can't cite any legislation authored by Obama, can you?

Once again, Conan... I ask you to STOP LYING.

Palin On Obama

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/palin-on-obama.html

I guess we should thank Matt Scully for inserting the word "major." You can go look at Obama's State Senate legislative record here. And his US Senate record here.  At last count, sponsorship of 820 laws in Illinois, and authorship of 152 bills and co-sponsorship of 427 in Washington. The 2007 Ethics Reform bill alone cannot be dismissed as simply non-existent.  And since part of Palin's own claim to substance is an ethics reform bill, it seems extremely weird that she should believe that Obama's record is a total zero.

At her first press conference, why not ask her why she said that Obama has never passed a single reform, when he passed the 2007 Ethics Reform, described by many as the most sweeping package of its kind since Watergate.  Of course, she doesn't know. She was given this speech. But she should be asked to respond to the question of why she said something patently untrue to the entire country.

But you can see the idea here: to keep equating Palin's experience with Obama's. At one point, Rudy Giuliani claimed that after her first day as governor of Alaska, Palin had more executive experience than Joe Biden and Barack Obama combined. So there's your standard. It's fatuous and stupid. But if you repeat it often enough, it might just work.

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by patric

When I read the title of this threat I was certain it was referring to this video:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=184084&title=the-best-fking-news-team-ever&byDate=true

That link belongs in this: "Another Nasty Bad Boy Repug" thread!

[USRufnex]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

quote:Originally posted by USRufnex

I just want a certain amount of respect for Obama..... and a certain amount of respect for community activism.... and a certain amount of respect for... public service.

I tire of people making all sorts of backhanded accusations about Obama and his supporters... enough is enough.

Maybe after Sarah Palin participates in 23 debates, I'll have more respect for her.

Oh I get it, running for office is experience. [}:)]

Organizing a national campaign is experience... but this expereince and this perspective and this agenda... is why I want Obama to be president of the United States of America...

http://www.chicagoreader.com/obama/951208/

You can keep taking every possible Obama position out of context and do what republicans do best.... manipulate the socially conservative base while keeping your tax cuts for the rich while bankrupting the country.

Fool me once, shame on you......

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by USRufnex

I just want a certain amount of respect for Obama..... and a certain amount of respect for community activism.... and a certain amount of respect for... public service.

I tire of people making all sorts of backhanded accusations about Obama and his supporters... enough is enough.

Maybe after Sarah Palin participates in 23 debates, I'll have more respect for her.

Actually, I do have respect for Obama to rise to where he has.  He's deserving of that much.  However he's not garnered enough respect out of me to justify voting for him.  He strikes me as a creation by the un-electables in the Democrat party.  If I felt he had an original idea in his head, I'd give him his due.

I definitely lost some respect for the guy when he could not bring himself to refer to President Bush as "President Bush", rather than "George Bush".  That's incredibly "Bush-League" for someone who wants to be Commander-In-Chief.  He doesn't have to like him, nor agree with him, but to be seeking the highest office in the land and to not be able to conjure up the respect that title deserves strikes me as snipey and trite.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by USRufnex

But you can see the idea here: to keep equating Palin's experience with Obama's. At one point, Rudy Giuliani claimed that after her first day as governor of Alaska, Palin had more executive experience than Joe Biden and Barack Obama combined. So there's your standard. It's fatuous and stupid. But if you repeat it often enough, it might just work.

FWIW- I do agree with you there.  When Rudy was posing for the reporters after his speech last night, I was thankful he did not get the nomination.  His claims along those lines were pretty damn absurd.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by USRufnex

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by USRufnex

Conan, you keep acting like none of Obama's supporters have ever researched him...



Compare this to the SHRILL and PETTY criticism from Sarah Palin at the RNC....

I'll take Obama's substance.... over McCain's political pandering by choosing Gov. Palin as his VP along with his pander to her right-wing  evangelical activists over at the Assemblies of God Church, thank you very much...

Still can't cite any legislation authored by Obama, can you?

Once again, Conan... I ask you to STOP LYING.

Palin On Obama

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/palin-on-obama.html

I guess we should thank Matt Scully for inserting the word "major." You can go look at Obama's State Senate legislative record here. And his US Senate record here.  At last count, sponsorship of 820 laws in Illinois, and authorship of 152 bills and co-sponsorship of 427 in Washington. The 2007 Ethics Reform bill alone cannot be dismissed as simply non-existent.  And since part of Palin's own claim to substance is an ethics reform bill, it seems extremely weird that she should believe that Obama's record is a total zero.

At her first press conference, why not ask her why she said that Obama has never passed a single reform, when he passed the 2007 Ethics Reform, described by many as the most sweeping package of its kind since Watergate.  Of course, she doesn't know. She was given this speech. But she should be asked to respond to the question of why she said something patently untrue to the entire country.

But you can see the idea here: to keep equating Palin's experience with Obama's. At one point, Rudy Giuliani claimed that after her first day as governor of Alaska, Palin had more executive experience than Joe Biden and Barack Obama combined. So there's your standard. It's fatuous and stupid. But if you repeat it often enough, it might just work.

How did I lie?  I'll cop to being a hard-donkey, but not a liar. []

You still have not cited any legislation authored by Obama.  You linked to an Andrew Sullivan op-ed.  All Sullivan did was link to a "fact check" on Obama's web site, he didn't cite a single piece of legislation authored by Obama.  He makes the claim and offers no evidence.  I'm sure the evidence might be out there somewhere if Sully is claiming it.  So if Obama is proud of it, why is it such a circle-jerk quest just to find what legislation he's written?

The link Obama's own web site didn't mention authored legislation either, just "passed" or "sponsored" legislation.

FWIW- it was Obama who said the reform bill was the biggest one since Watergate- his own words, not that of any political analyst.

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by USRufnex

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

Brilliant imagery last nite during Gov. Palin's speech.

Referring to Obama:

Crowd shouted ZERO.

Exactly.

He's a Zero.  

And that makes all of you.... LIARS.

Don't cry.  He'll write a bill someday.  He's jut not ready yet.  Let him do it on his own time.

[USRufnex]

Another lie, gaspar.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080218135929AASpb1P

http://mediamatters.org/items/200809040007

Kinda like the claim that you're some sort of libertarian or independant when you are obviously in the tank for the Republican smear machine...  []

There are some reasonable Republicans who can see through all this crap....

http://www.republicansforobama.org/?q=node/1917

http://www.republicansforobama.org/?q=node/1943

BTW, presidents don't actually WRITE legislation... so concentrating solely on authorship is inappropriate based on the job description...... thanks though, for showing how deceptive you are...

XXXX's and OOOO's
Your BFF,



Ruf

[Conan71]

Holy crap, it only took till the last paragraph of the media matters article to see "introduced".  The Media Matters story is a total spin job.

Still doesn't say "authored" just "sponsored" and "co-sponsored".

The media keeps trying to distort the record by thinking we are all too stupid to get the difference between sponsoring, co-sponsoring, introducing, or just flat writing legislation.

I dropped the gauntlet this morning.  As of 4:40 no one has named three things Obama has authored in the Ill or U.S. Senate, nor three things accomplished as the community organizer.

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Holy crap, it only took till the last paragraph of the media matters article to see "introduced".  The Media Matters story is a total spin job.

Still doesn't say "authored" just "sponsored" and "co-sponsored".

The media keeps trying to distort the record by thinking we are all too stupid to get the difference between sponsoring, co-sponsoring, introducing, or just flat writing legislation.

I dropped the gauntlet this morning.  As of 4:40 no one has named three things Obama has authored in the Ill or U.S. Senate, nor three things accomplished as the community organizer.

I will pick up the gauntlet since Ruf, FOTD and the other sand-blowers will not.  Lets see what will I use as a source?  How about Library of Congress.

Mr. Obama was instremental in the passage of 3 steaming pieces of legislation as a sponsor.

1.  S.RES.133 : A resolution celebrating the life of Bishop Gilbert Earl Patterson.

2. S.RES.268 : A resolution designating July 12, 2007, as "National Summer Learning Day".

3. S.RES.600 : A resolution commemorating the 44th anniversary of the deaths of civil rights workers Andrew Goodman, James Chaney, and Michael Schwerner in Philadelphia, Mississippi, while working in the name of American democracy to register voters and secure civil rights during the summer of 1964, which has become known as "Freedom Summer".

He signed on as sponsor for the following amendments:

1. S.AMDT.41 to S.1 To require lobbyists to disclose the candidates, leadership PACs, or political parties for whom they collect or arrange contributions, and the aggregate amount of the contributions collected or arranged.

2. S.AMDT.338 to S.4 To require consideration of high-risk qualifying criteria in allocating funds under the State Homeland Security Grant Program.

3. S.AMDT.524 to S.CON.RES.21 To provide $100 million for the Summer Term Education Program supporting summer learning opportunities for low-income students in the early grades to lessen summer learning losses that contribute to the achievement gaps separating low-income students from their middle-class peers.

4. S.AMDT.599 to S.CON.RES.21 To add $200 million for Function 270 (Energy) for the demonstration and monitoring of carbon capture and sequestration technology by the Department of Energy.

5. S.AMDT.905 to S.761 To require the Director of Mathematics, Science, and Engineering Education to establish a program to recruit and provide mentors for women and underrepresented minorities who are interested in careers in mathematics, science, and engineering.

6. S.AMDT.923 to S.761 To expand the pipeline of individuals entering the science, technology, engineering, and mathematics fields to support United States innovation and competitiveness.

7. S.AMDT.924 to S.761 To establish summer term education programs.

8. S.AMDT.1041 to S.1082 To improve the safety and efficacy of genetic tests.

9. S.AMDT.1202 to S.1348 To provide a date on which the authority of the section relating to the increasing of American competitiveness through a merit-based evaluation system for immigrants shall be terminated.

10. S.AMDT.2519 to H.R.2638 To provide that one of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5 million or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee certifies in writing to the agency awarding the contract or grant that the contractor or grantee owes no past due Federal tax liability.

11. S.AMDT.2588 to H.R.976 To provide certain employment protections for family members who are caring for members of the Armed Forces recovering from illnesses and injuries incurred on active duty.

12. S.AMDT.2658 to H.R.2642 To provide that none of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5,000,000 or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee makes certain certifications regarding Federal tax liability.

13.  S.AMDT.2692 to H.R.2764 To require a comprehensive nuclear threat reduction and security plan.

14. S.AMDT.3073 to H.R.1585 To provide for transparency and accountability in military and security contracting.

15. S.AMDT.3078 to H.R.1585 Relating to administrative separations of members of the Armed Forces for personality disorder.

16. S.AMDT.4113 to S.2663 To clarify and expand requirements with respect to information in recall notices.

17. S.AMDT.4114 to S.2663 To require the Comptroller General of the United States conduct a study and report on the effectiveness of authorities relating to the safety of imported consumer products.

18. S.AMDT.4330 to S.CON.RES.70 To provide an additional $5 million to the military departments' respective Boards for Correction of Military Records to expedite review of cases in which service members with combat-related psychological injuries (such as PTSD) or closed head injuries (such as TBIs) were administered discharges for personality disorders or other discharges resulting in a loss of benefits or care and seek a correction of records or upgraded discharge.

There are 129 individual amendments, resolutions, and bills that carry a sponsorship from Mr. Obama.  These are the only ones that passed.

That's it.  Sorry Ruf.  Give him time, he's young and inexperienced.  Someday he will be an important member of the Senate.

[USRufnex]

Holy Crap, Conan, can you not read...... please post where you asked for "three" because all you're doing is casting aspersions... wait, no Conan... here's what you're doing...



http://obama.senate.gov/press/070111-lugar-obama_non/

Date: January 11, 2007
Lugar-Obama Nonproliferation Legislation Signed into Law by the President

WASHINGTON – President Bush today signed the Lugar-Obama proliferation and threat reduction initiative into law.

Authored by U.S. Sens. Dick Lugar (R-IN) and Barack Obama (D-IL), the Lugar-Obama initiative expands U.S. cooperation to destroy conventional weapons. It also expands the State Department's ability to detect and interdict weapons and materials of mass destruction.
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Date: January 30, 2007

Obama Offers Plan to Stop Escalation of Iraq War, Begin Phased Redeployment of Troops
Goal to Redeploy All Combat Brigades out of Iraq by March 31, 2008

WASHINGTON - U.S. Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) today introduced binding and comprehensive legislation that not only reverses the President's dangerous and ill-conceived escalation of the Iraq war, but also sets a new course for U.S. policy that can bring a responsible end to the war and bring our troops home.

http://you.presscue.com/node/442

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:s.3694:
As the author of the Fuel Economy Reform Act, Senator Obama has worked to gain bipartisan support for an innovative approach to raising automobile fuel efficiency standards (also known as "CAFE" standards) and break two decades of inaction and deadlock on reforming fuel economy laws. This proposal has attracted cosponsors from both parties – maintaining support from long-time champions of improving fuel economy standards while attracting support from traditional opponents. The bill would establish regular, continual, and incremental progress in miles per gallon fuel efficiency by an increase of four percent annually, and preserve flexibility by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration to vary the rate of improvement and how best to technologically achieve those fuel economy targets. President Bush endorsed a similar approach in his State of the Union speech in January 2007.

In May 2007, Senator Obama, along with Senator Harkin, authored the National Low Carbon Fuel Standard Act (S. 1324), which requires a 10% reduction in greenhouse gas emissions in the national transportation fuel pool by 2020, a reduction of about 180 million metric tons of emissions in 2020 – the equivalent of taking over 30 million cars off the road. The Obama-Harkin fuel standard embraces the growth of the renewable fuels market, including corn-based ethanol, cellulosic ethanol, and biodiesel as a key component of fighting climate change, while creating incentives for lower carbon emissions in their production.

Obama's Success:
S.AMDT.1041 to S.1082 To improve the safety and efficacy of genetic tests.
S.AMDT.3073 to H.R.1585 To provide for transparency and accountability in military and security contracting.
S.AMDT.3078 to H.R.1585 Relating to administrative separations of members of the Armed Forces for personality disorder.
S.AMDT.41 to S.1 To require lobbyists to disclose the candidates, leadership PACs, or political parties for whom they collect or arrange contributions, and the aggregate amount of the contributions collected or arranged.
S.AMDT.524 to S.CON.RES.21 To provide $100 million for the Summer Term Education Program supporting summer learning opportunities for low-income students in the early grades to lessen summer learning losses that contribute to the achievement gaps separating low-income students from their middle-class peers.
S.AMDT.599 to S.CON.RES.21 To add $200 million for Function 270 (Energy) for the demonstration and monitoring of carbon capture and sequestration technology by the Department of Energy.
S.AMDT.905 to S.761 To require the Director of Mathematics, Science, and Engineering Education to establish a program to recruit and provide mentors for women and underrepresented minorities who are interested in careers in mathematics, science, and engineering.
S.AMDT.923 to S.761 To expand the pipeline of individuals entering the science, technology, engineering, and mathematics fields to support United States innovation and competitiveness.
S.AMDT.924 to S.761 To establish summer term education programs.
S.AMDT.2519 to H.R.2638 To provide that one of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5 million or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee certifies in writing to the agency awarding the contract or grant that the contractor or grantee owes no past due Federal tax liability.
S.AMDT.2588 to H.R.976 To provide certain employment protections for family members who are caring for members of the Armed Forces recovering from illnesses and injuries incurred on active duty.
S.AMDT.2658 to H.R.2642 To provide that none of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5,000,000 or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee makes certain certifications regarding Federal tax liability.
S.AMDT.2692 to H.R.2764 To require a comprehensive nuclear threat reduction and security plan.
S.AMDT.2799 to H.R.3074 To provide that none of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5,000,000 or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee makes certain certifications regarding Federal tax liability.
S.AMDT.3137 to H.R.3222 To provide that none of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5,000,000 or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee makes certain certifications regarding Federal tax liability.
S.AMDT.3234 to H.R.3093 To provide that none of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5,000,000 or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee makes certain certifications regarding Federal tax liability.
S.AMDT.3331 to H.R.3043 To provide that none of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5,000,000 or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee makes certain certifications regarding Federal tax liability.
Senate Resolutions Passed:
S.RES.133 : A resolution celebrating the life of Bishop Gilbert Earl Patterson.
S.RES.268 : A resolution designating July 12, 2007, as "National Summer Learning Day".


CONAN will start complaining about my post in 3 - 2 - 1........