Gov. Palin's Speech- Impressions?

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

Didn't see it but heard excerpts on the radio, and she did indeed sound like she understood speechmaking, had an instant rapport with the audience, and new how to go after an adversary.  I think she did a good job, and more than achieved what she needed to with this speech.  

First blush weaknesses are:  she didn't write the speech herself, so she's still an unknown in unscripted settings; and she really impresses the Republican base, but really might not have much crossover appeal with her clear cut conservatism.  At least not in this election cycle. And her "hockey mom" story might wear thin.  It's still an open question whether we want someone we might see at the PTA in the second highest office in the land.

And you really believe Obama writes all his own speeches?

Biden may write his own, but he lifts half the material from others. [}:)]

[RecycleMichael]

I watched the speech with two republicans and two democrats.

The republicans were wowed the second she walked on stage. The democrats kept asking why she was making weird facial expressions when she emphasized her talking points. The demos thought her voice was nasal, the republicans thought her smile was great...

I kept thinking to myself...what makes her worthy of this great office? What was she doing that would be different from what Karen Keith could do?

Karen Keith kinda looks like her...She can read a teleprompter...

Karen Keith for vice president!

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

I watched the speech with two republicans and two democrats.

The republicans were wowed the second she walked on stage. The democrats kept asking why she was making weird facial expressions when she emphasized her talking points. The demos thought her voice was nasal, the republicans thought her smile was great...

I kept thinking to myself...what makes her worthy of this great office? What was she doing that would be different from what Karen Keith could do?

Karen Keith kinda looks like her...She can read a teleprompter...

Karen Keith for vice president!

I thought she kinda sounded like Frances McDormand from 'Fargo'

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

Didn't see it but heard excerpts on the radio, and she did indeed sound like she understood speechmaking, had an instant rapport with the audience, and new how to go after an adversary.  I think she did a good job, and more than achieved what she needed to with this speech.  

First blush weaknesses are:  she didn't write the speech herself, so she's still an unknown in unscripted settings; and she really impresses the Republican base, but really might not have much crossover appeal with her clear cut conservatism.  At least not in this election cycle. And her "hockey mom" story might wear thin.  It's still an open question whether we want someone we might see at the PTA in the second highest office in the land.

You may be right, but I would have to still say that even the PTA, and managing the 40 BILLION DOLLAR budget of a state is far more relevant executive experience than being a community organizer, or a lifelong senator.

Wow! Alaska is the largest land mass state in the country and represents over 20% of our total energy supplies.  

I go fishing there almost every year.  If you haven't seen Alaska, it's something you really need to do before you die.  The balled eagles are like pidgins.  They're everywhere.

I could use some indian candy right now.  Mmmmmm.

Ingredients
1/2 gallon water
1 cup pickling salt
2 cups dark dark brown sugar
1 cup real maple syrup
salmon, cleaned and cut into 1/2 inch strips
3/4 cup honey
1/4 cup water
Directions
1   Mix together the water, salt, sugar and syrup.

2   Stir until all ingredients are dissolved.

3   Add Fish and brine for 24 hours.

4   Remove fish and smoke anywhere from 8 hours to 1 1/2 days, depending on your smoker.

5   Use the 3/4 cup honey mixed with the 1/4 cup water for basting.

6   Don't over smoke or you're going to have jerky!

7   Apple and Cherry woods are great for this recipe.

8   Works well with venison also.

[RecycleMichael]

ST. PAUL, Minn. — Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and her Republican supporters held back little Wednesday as they issued dismissive attacks on Barack Obama and flattering praise on her credentials to be vice president. In some cases, the reproach and the praise stretched the truth.

Some examples:

PALIN: "I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending ... and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. I told the Congress 'thanks but no thanks' for that Bridge to Nowhere."

THE FACTS: As mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired a lobbyist and traveled to Washington annually to support earmarks for the town totaling $27 million. In her two years as governor, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation. While Palin notes she rejected plans to build a $398 million bridge from Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport, that opposition came only after the plan was ridiculed nationally as a "bridge to nowhere."

PALIN: "There is much to like and admire about our opponent. But listening to him speak, it's easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform _ not even in the state senate."

THE FACTS: Compared to McCain and his two decades in the Senate, Obama does have a more meager record. But he has worked with Republicans to pass legislation that expanded efforts to intercept illegal shipments of weapons of mass destruction and to help destroy conventional weapons stockpiles. The legislation became law last year. To demean that accomplishment would be to also demean the work of Republican Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana, a respected foreign policy voice in the Senate. In Illinois, he was the leader on two big, contentious measures in Illinois: studying racial profiling by police and requiring recordings of interrogations in potential death penalty cases. He also successfully co-sponsored major ethics reform legislation.

PALIN: "The Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income taxes, raise payroll taxes, raise investment income taxes, raise the death tax, raise business taxes, and increase the tax burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars."

THE FACTS: The Tax Policy Center, a think tank run jointly by the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute, concluded that Obama's plan would increase after-tax income for middle-income taxpayers by about 5 percent by 2012, or nearly $2,200 annually. McCain's plan, which cuts taxes across all income levels, would raise after tax-income for middle-income taxpayers by 3 percent, the center concluded.

Obama would provide $80 billion in tax breaks, mainly for poor workers and the elderly, including tripling the Earned Income Tax Credit for minimum-wage workers and higher credits for larger families.

He also would raise income taxes, capital gains and dividend taxes on the wealthiest. He would raise payroll taxes on taxpayers with incomes above $250,000, and he would raise corporate taxes. Small businesses that make more than $250,000 a year would see taxes rise.

MCCAIN: "She's been governor of our largest state, in charge of 20 percent of America's energy supply ... She's responsible for 20 percent of the nation's energy supply. I'm entertained by the comparison and I hope we can keep making that comparison that running a political campaign is somehow comparable to being the executive of the largest state in America," he said in an interview with ABC News' Charles Gibson.

THE FACTS: McCain's phrasing exaggerates both claims. Palin is governor of a state that ranks second nationally in crude oil production, but she's no more "responsible" for that resource than President Bush was when he was governor of Texas, another oil-producing state. In fact, her primary power is the ability to tax oil, which she did in concert with the Alaska Legislature. And where Alaska is the largest state in America, McCain could as easily have called it the 47th largest state _ by population.

MCCAIN: "She's the commander of the Alaska National Guard. ... She has been in charge, and she has had national security as one of her primary responsibilities," he said on ABC.

THE FACTS: While governors are in charge of their state guard units, that authority ends whenever those units are called to actual military service. When guard units are deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, for example, they assume those duties under "federal status," which means they report to the Defense Department, not their governors. Alaska's national guard units have a total of about 4,200 personnel, among the smallest of state guard organizations.

FORMER ARKANSAS GOV. MIKE HUCKABEE: Palin "got more votes running for mayor of Wasilla, Alaska than Joe Biden got running for president of the United States."

THE FACTS: A whopper. Palin got 616 votes in the 1996 mayor's election, and got 909 in her 1999 re-election race, for a total of 1,525. Biden dropped out of the race after the Iowa caucuses, but he still got 76,165 votes in 23 states and the District of Columbia where he was on the ballot during the 2008 presidential primaries.

FORMER MASSACHUSETTS GOV. MITT ROMNEY: "We need change, all right _ change from a liberal Washington to a conservative Washington! We have a prescription for every American who wants change in Washington _ throw out the big-government liberals, and elect John McCain and Sarah Palin."

THE FACTS: A Back-to-the-Future moment. George W. Bush, a conservative Republican, has been president for nearly eight years. And until last year, Republicans controlled Congress. Only since January 2007 have Democrats have been in charge of the House and Senate.

[MH2010]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

ST. PAUL, Minn. — Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and her Republican supporters held back little Wednesday as they issued dismissive attacks on Barack Obama and flattering praise on her credentials to be vice president. In some cases, the reproach and the praise stretched the truth.

Some examples:

PALIN: "I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending ... and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. I told the Congress 'thanks but no thanks' for that Bridge to Nowhere."

THE FACTS: As mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired a lobbyist and traveled to Washington annually to support earmarks for the town totaling $27 million. In her two years as governor, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation. While Palin notes she rejected plans to build a $398 million bridge from Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport, that opposition came only after the plan was ridiculed nationally as a "bridge to nowhere."

PALIN: "There is much to like and admire about our opponent. But listening to him speak, it's easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform _ not even in the state senate."

THE FACTS: Compared to McCain and his two decades in the Senate, Obama does have a more meager record. But he has worked with Republicans to pass legislation that expanded efforts to intercept illegal shipments of weapons of mass destruction and to help destroy conventional weapons stockpiles. The legislation became law last year. To demean that accomplishment would be to also demean the work of Republican Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana, a respected foreign policy voice in the Senate. In Illinois, he was the leader on two big, contentious measures in Illinois: studying racial profiling by police and requiring recordings of interrogations in potential death penalty cases. He also successfully co-sponsored major ethics reform legislation.

PALIN: "The Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income taxes, raise payroll taxes, raise investment income taxes, raise the death tax, raise business taxes, and increase the tax burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars."

THE FACTS: The Tax Policy Center, a think tank run jointly by the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute, concluded that Obama's plan would increase after-tax income for middle-income taxpayers by about 5 percent by 2012, or nearly $2,200 annually. McCain's plan, which cuts taxes across all income levels, would raise after tax-income for middle-income taxpayers by 3 percent, the center concluded.

Obama would provide $80 billion in tax breaks, mainly for poor workers and the elderly, including tripling the Earned Income Tax Credit for minimum-wage workers and higher credits for larger families.

He also would raise income taxes, capital gains and dividend taxes on the wealthiest. He would raise payroll taxes on taxpayers with incomes above $250,000, and he would raise corporate taxes. Small businesses that make more than $250,000 a year would see taxes rise.

MCCAIN: "She's been governor of our largest state, in charge of 20 percent of America's energy supply ... She's responsible for 20 percent of the nation's energy supply. I'm entertained by the comparison and I hope we can keep making that comparison that running a political campaign is somehow comparable to being the executive of the largest state in America," he said in an interview with ABC News' Charles Gibson.

THE FACTS: McCain's phrasing exaggerates both claims. Palin is governor of a state that ranks second nationally in crude oil production, but she's no more "responsible" for that resource than President Bush was when he was governor of Texas, another oil-producing state. In fact, her primary power is the ability to tax oil, which she did in concert with the Alaska Legislature. And where Alaska is the largest state in America, McCain could as easily have called it the 47th largest state _ by population.

MCCAIN: "She's the commander of the Alaska National Guard. ... She has been in charge, and she has had national security as one of her primary responsibilities," he said on ABC.

THE FACTS: While governors are in charge of their state guard units, that authority ends whenever those units are called to actual military service. When guard units are deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, for example, they assume those duties under "federal status," which means they report to the Defense Department, not their governors. Alaska's national guard units have a total of about 4,200 personnel, among the smallest of state guard organizations.

FORMER ARKANSAS GOV. MIKE HUCKABEE: Palin "got more votes running for mayor of Wasilla, Alaska than Joe Biden got running for president of the United States."

THE FACTS: A whopper. Palin got 616 votes in the 1996 mayor's election, and got 909 in her 1999 re-election race, for a total of 1,525. Biden dropped out of the race after the Iowa caucuses, but he still got 76,165 votes in 23 states and the District of Columbia where he was on the ballot during the 2008 presidential primaries.

FORMER MASSACHUSETTS GOV. MITT ROMNEY: "We need change, all right _ change from a liberal Washington to a conservative Washington! We have a prescription for every American who wants change in Washington _ throw out the big-government liberals, and elect John McCain and Sarah Palin."

THE FACTS: A Back-to-the-Future moment. George W. Bush, a conservative Republican, has been president for nearly eight years. And until last year, Republicans controlled Congress. Only since January 2007 have Democrats have been in charge of the House and Senate.

Please cite your source.  I know you didn't write this.

[RecycleMichael]

I am sorry...sloppy by me...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080903/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_fact_check_1

It was written by Associated Press writer Jim Kuhnhenn

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

I am sorry...sloppy by me...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080903/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_fact_check_1

It was written by Associated Press writer Jim Kuhnhenn

Double post, akupetsky beat you to this op-ed posing as news.

Since we are double posting anyhow, I'll reiterate my amusement that the author points to Obama working with some Republicans "to intercept illegal shipments of weapons of mass destruction and to help destroy conventional weapons stockpiles..." to refute Palin's point that Obama has written two memoirs and not one piece of legislation.

Listening to your narrative about the others you watched the speech with, it is interesting how our own biases affect our perception of the speaker and the message.  As far as the drinking game, I barely got a buzz...

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

I am sorry...sloppy by me...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080903/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_fact_check_1

It was written by Associated Press writer Jim Kuhnhenn

. . .And  writer Jim Drinkard "contributed".  He's a USA Today writer most of the time.

It's on all of the liberal blogs.  Nothing shiny or glaring.  Some minor corrections and illuminations.  Good analysis from the left.  

Glad they are not going after family, or making sex an issue any more.

Good for them.

[RecycleMichael]

I agree that our own bias clouds our perception more than we realize.

What I didn't say was that these guys also were all sexist pigs. Guys from both parties were hoping she would show more cleavage.

[USRufnex]

My impression:  Palin is going to be a strange combination of John Ashcroft and Randi Miller... it's a ploy to the Mike Huckabee constituency without actually having Mike Huckabee on the ticket.

Palin can get away with her sarcastic insults toward Obama cuz nobody can use the "b" word in the media these days... if a man had said that, he'd be an a**hole, but when Palin comes up with this crap... crickets.

Here's Hillary's version:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1ckrEeHDRY

This is a craven political move by a flip-flopping McCain... yet predictibly, the republicans see this as something courageous... you see, Episcopalians have about as much in common with the Assemblies of God as FB has with Barack Obama...

This takes Missouri out of the "toss up" catagory and into "solid McCain."

[we vs us]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:

And you really believe Obama writes all his own speeches?

No.  He's got at least one speechwriter.  But he wrote his convention speech, and his speech on race/Rev. Wright, and the one he delivered in 2004.  Give him his due on this one:  he's good at it.

[tim huntzinger]

Too bad Palin is going to have to do the answering for all the abuse of power the GOP has been engaged in.  If she is just another mealy-mouthed GOP type then I hope all the Tulsa County-type shennanigans are exploited rather vigorously.

[Gaspar]

Listening to pollsters this morning, the experience issue is going to be the big issue over the next few day's polling.

The liberal bloggers and much of the media have, over the last few days, relegated themselves to nothing more than noise by lashing out against her personal life and making sexist remarks that go against everything they should stand for.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael



Karen Keith kinda looks like her...She can read a teleprompter...

Karen Keith for vice president!

I thought her teleprompted broke and she was left with having to rely on her notes:

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=27547

Me thinks that if Obama's teleprompter ever broke, this would be the result:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp0hU1THjuc