Why do republicans mock "community organizer" ?

[RecycleMichael]

http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/09/why-do-republic.html

Why do Republicans mock "community organizer" role?
by Michael Landauer  

I really don't understand the mocking of Obama for being a community organizer as a young man.

Giuliani last night: "On the other hand, you have a resume from a gifted man with an Ivy League education. He worked as a community organizer. What? He worked -- I said -- I said, OK, OK, maybe this is the first problem on the resume."

Palin last night: I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a "community organizer," except that you have actual responsibilities.

Now, the truth is that, starting at age 23, Obama ran a faith-based charity called the Developing Communities Project.

It was made up of eight Catholic parishes when he got there and had one staff member. He was its director, meaning he was in charge. He made decisions about it, including staffing, budgets, etc. And when he left in 1988 to go to law school, he had grown its budget from $70,000 to $400,000, its staff from 1 to 13 people. More important, he created a job training program for this community and a college prep tutoring program.

As mayor, she built a hockey rink/rec center using eminent domain (because apparently there just isn't enough land in Alaska).

And keep in mind the timeline here: Obama did this as a young man BEFORE going to law school, becoming a successful lawyer and a law professor.

I don't think it's right to attack someone for working in a faith-based charity out of college. I think we all have some embarrassing first-jobs in our past. I would not make fun of Palin for being a beauty queen and sports reporter out of college during these same years. Although, I do think Obama's experience shaped his political future a bit better ...


I am proud that he worked for his community. It is something that matters.

[FOTD]

Putting someone down to build one's self up. It's a personality defect common to those that have an inferiority complex.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/09/why-do-republic.html

Why do Republicans mock "community organizer" role?
by Michael Landauer  

I really don't understand the mocking of Obama for being a community organizer as a young man.

Giuliani last night: "On the other hand, you have a resume from a gifted man with an Ivy League education. He worked as a community organizer. What? He worked -- I said -- I said, OK, OK, maybe this is the first problem on the resume."

Palin last night: I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a "community organizer," except that you have actual responsibilities.

Now, the truth is that, starting at age 23, Obama ran a faith-based charity called the Developing Communities Project.

It was made up of eight Catholic parishes when he got there and had one staff member. He was its director, meaning he was in charge. He made decisions about it, including staffing, budgets, etc. And when he left in 1988 to go to law school, he had grown its budget from $70,000 to $400,000, its staff from 1 to 13 people. More important, he created a job training program for this community and a college prep tutoring program.

As mayor, she built a hockey rink/rec center using eminent domain (because apparently there just isn't enough land in Alaska).

And keep in mind the timeline here: Obama did this as a young man BEFORE going to law school, becoming a successful lawyer and a law professor.

I don't think it's right to attack someone for working in a faith-based charity out of college. I think we all have some embarrassing first-jobs in our past. I would not make fun of Palin for being a beauty queen and sports reporter out of college during these same years. Although, I do think Obama's experience shaped his political future a bit better ...


I am proud that he worked for his community. It is something that matters.

Summer job between college and Law school?

[Cubs]

Why does RecycleMichael have this love affair with Barack Obama?
Why does RecycleMichael bash an American hero and a mother he probably never heard of until a few days ago?

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by Cubs

Why does RecycleMichael have this love affair with Barack Obama?
Why does RecycleMichael bash an American hero and a mother he probably never heard of until a few days ago?

Why does the American hero consistently use his "hero" status when asked the tough questions?

Wouldn't you question someone who has the virtual equivalent of being president of the Senior Class of Union HS as experience to potentially be the one to carry the flame as the next President of the US?

Why do Repubs always wheel out the "American Hero" mantra for McCain?  If truth be told, he doesn't have ANY executive experience.  So, is he qualified the same as Obama?

Hmm...

[:O]

[Cubs]

So are you saying he didn't get executive experience in the military?
Devaluing military service ... is that what the Democrat party is these days? It sure as heck seems like it.

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by Cubs

So are you saying he didn't get executive experience in the military?
Devaluing military service ... is that what the Democrat party is these days? It sure as heck seems like it.

I was referring to your beloved Palin, since you wheeled out the question.

Sensitive much?  Sheesh.

And I don't see how he did get executive experience in the military.  He got experience on leading, but not in an executive fashion.  Not in my opinion, anyway.  Neither candidate has any executive experience.

Should that automatically exclude either?

[USRufnex]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

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Summer job between college and Law school?

Nope.

http://www.chicagoreader.com/obama/951208/

From 1984 to '88 Obama built an organization in Roseland and the nearby Altgeld Gardens public housing complex that mobilized hundreds of citizens. Obama says the campaign experienced "modest successes" in winning residents a place at the table where a job-training facility was launched, asbestos and lead paint were negotiated out of the local schools, and community interests were guarded in the development of the area's landfills.

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"In America," Obama says, "we have this strong bias toward individual action. You know, we idolize the John Wayne hero who comes in to correct things with both guns blazing. But individual actions, individual dreams, are not sufficient. We must unite in collective action, build collective institutions and organizations."

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"Now an agenda for getting our fair share is vital. But to work, it can't see voters or communities as consumers, as mere recipients or beneficiaries of this change. It's time for politicians and other leaders to take the next step and to see voters, residents, or citizens as producers of this change. The thrust of our organizing must be on how to make them productive, how to make them employable, how to build our human capital, how to create businesses, institutions, banks, safe public spaces--the whole agenda of creating productive communities. That is where our future lies.

"The right wing talks about this but they keep appealing to that old individualistic bootstrap myth: get a job, get rich, and get out. Instead of investing in our neighborhoods, that's what has always happened. Our goal must be to help people get a sense of building something larger.

"The political debate is now so skewed, so limited, so distorted," said Obama. "People are hungry for community; they miss it. They are hungry for change.

"What if a politician were to see his job as that of an organizer," he wondered, "as part teacher and part advocate, one who does not sell voters short but who educates them about the real choices before them? As an elected public official, for instance, I could bring church and community leaders together easier than I could as a community organizer or lawyer. We would come together to form concrete economic development strategies, take advantage of existing laws and structures, and create bridges and bonds within all sectors of the community. We must form grass-root structures that would hold me and other elected officials more accountable for their actions."

[Cubs]

You were not refering to Palin, you said,
"Why do Repubs always wheel out the "American Hero" mantra for McCain? If truth be told, he doesn't have ANY executive experience. So, is he qualified the same as Obama?"
That is McCain, not Palin.
Your argument is pretty weak ... you are trying to bash McCain just to bring him down to he level of your "never done anything" candidate. You shouldn't argue something unless you can bring your candidate above the competitor ... and don't even try to do that with the experience issue, no one is that stupid.

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by Cubs

You were not refering to Palin, you said,
"Why do Repubs always wheel out the "American Hero" mantra for McCain? If truth be told, he doesn't have ANY executive experience. So, is he qualified the same as Obama?"
That is McCain, not Palin.
Your argument is pretty weak ... you are trying to bash McCain just to bring him down to he level of your "never done anything" candidate. You shouldn't argue something unless you can bring your candidate above the competitor ... and don't even try to do that with the experience issue, no one is that stupid.

How is weak?  Is it inaccurate?  You don't say it's inaccurate, so how is it weak?

Go back to freerepublic.  Jeez.

Unbelieveable.

[Cubs]

Me saying no one is that stupid is another way of me saying it is inaccurate. Anyone who says Obama has more or equal experience as McCain needs to check into the mental institution.

[Cubs]

Oh and I'll go back to freerepublic (not that I have ever gone to that website, until now) whenever you go back to dailykos.

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by Cubs

Me saying no one is that stupid is another way of me saying it is inaccurate. Anyone who says Obama has more or equal experience as McCain needs to check into the mental institution.

I said 'executive experience'.  A little different.

Neither of them has it.  Correct?  On this we can agree?  I didn't say 'experience', I qualified it.

You're good at twisting the words.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by Cubs

Me saying no one is that stupid is another way of me saying it is inaccurate. Anyone who says Obama has more or equal experience as McCain needs to check into the mental institution.

I said 'executive experience'.  A little different.

Neither of them has it.  Correct?  On this we can agree?  I didn't say 'experience', I qualified it.

You're good at twisting the words.

Navy Captain John McCain served as Squadron Commander after he returned from 5 1/2 years as a P.O.W.

As Squadron commander, he was responsible for several hundred personnel, $millions in Navy property and airplanes, accomplishing the missions assigned, and the health, welfare and discipline of the military unit.

Commander.  That IS executive experience in the Executive Branch of the Government.

Next Job: Commander-in-Chief.

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by Cubs

Me saying no one is that stupid is another way of me saying it is inaccurate. Anyone who says Obama has more or equal experience as McCain needs to check into the mental institution.

I said 'executive experience'.  A little different.

Neither of them has it.  Correct?  On this we can agree?  I didn't say 'experience', I qualified it.

You're good at twisting the words.

Navy Captain John McCain served as Squadron Commander after he returned from 5 1/2 years as a P.O.W.

As Squadron commander, he was responsible for several hundred personnel, $millions in Navy property and airplanes, accomplishing the missions assigned, and the health, welfare and discipline of the military unit.

Commander.  That IS executive experience in the Executive Branch of the Government.

Next Job: Commander-in-Chief.

You're grasping now...