Olbermann and Matthews removed

[Gaspar]

MSNBC had removed them from the political desk.  It's obvious they went too far.  They are actually hurting Obama, and MSNBC can't let that happen.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/08/AR2008090800008_pf.html

[Hoss]

Warning! Warning! Warning!

[Wrinkle]

Didn't think they'd have the gonads to do this, but it's proper and welcomed. Didn't really go far enough, though.

Olbermann needs a late night AM radio show and Matthews and Obama need to get a room.

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

Didn't think they'd have the gonads to do this, but it's proper and welcomed. Didn't really go far enough, though.

Olbermann needs a late night AM radio show and Matthews and Obama need to get a room.

Yep, too bad FNC can't see the shill/water carrier that is Sean Hannity.

Like that kinda crap doesn't go on at other news outlets.

Give me a break.

[Gaspar]

Well it's obvious now that the DNC is trying to control their proxies, but I still think it's too late.  There are simply too many out-of-pocket assets at other networks that the DNC has no control over.

This is a good move for MSNBC.  This type of downgrade usually results in resignation, so I would expect both Olbermann and Matthews to resign within the next couple of months.

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

Didn't think they'd have the gonads to do this, but it's proper and welcomed. Didn't really go far enough, though.

Olbermann needs a late night AM radio show and Matthews and Obama need to get a room.

Yep, too bad FNC can't see the shill/water carrier that is Sean Hannity.

Like that kinda crap doesn't go on at other news outlets.

Give me a break.

There is a significant difference.  I admit Hannity is about as inflammatory as Olbermann, but the main difference is that Hannity is nearly a BILLION dollar sponsorship machine for Fox, attracting advertisers across the board.  

Olbermann and Matthews have cost MSNBC sponsors, and they have very few to spare.

[Wrinkle]

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

Didn't think they'd have the gonads to do this, but it's proper and welcomed. Didn't really go far enough, though.

Olbermann needs a late night AM radio show and Matthews and Obama need to get a room.

Yep, too bad FNC can't see the shill/water carrier that is Sean Hannity.

Like that kinda crap doesn't go on at other news outlets.

Give me a break.

There is a significant difference.  I admit Hannity is about as inflammatory as Olbermann, but the main difference is that Hannity is nearly a BILLION dollar sponsorship machine for Fox, attracting advertisers across the board.  

Olbermann and Matthews have cost MSNBC sponsors, and they have very few to spare.

There is also a huge difference between a show in which both sides are presented (Hannity AND Combes) dedicated to being partisan and LIVE hosting of national political event coverage.

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

Didn't think they'd have the gonads to do this, but it's proper and welcomed. Didn't really go far enough, though.

Olbermann needs a late night AM radio show and Matthews and Obama need to get a room.

Yep, too bad FNC can't see the shill/water carrier that is Sean Hannity.

Like that kinda crap doesn't go on at other news outlets.

Give me a break.

There is a significant difference.  I admit Hannity is about as inflammatory as Olbermann, but the main difference is that Hannity is nearly a BILLION dollar sponsorship machine for Fox, attracting advertisers across the board.  

Olbermann and Matthews have cost MSNBC sponsors, and they have very few to spare.

There is also a huge difference between a show in which both sides are presented (Hannity AND Combes) dedicated to being partisan and LIVE hosting of national political event coverage.

Yeah, like Colmbs gets his side of the story in very often.  Hannity is like all the other 'in your face' journalists like O'reilly.  If he doesn't like what you have to say, he shouts over you.

I don't hear KO doing that.  Didn't hear him doing that to Matthews, either.

[waterboy]

I'm really tired of the cynicism and outright fantasies you guys promote. Fox has been doing this crap for years. Another station realizes the potential and attempts to balance off the programming and you're smugly incensed.

Olbermann and Matthews, along with the other MSNBC programming like Cup of Joe are vastly superior and offer many different views. Olbermann is just too damaging to republicans. Next up...Jon Stewart.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

Didn't think they'd have the gonads to do this, but it's proper and welcomed. Didn't really go far enough, though.

Olbermann needs a late night AM radio show and Matthews and Obama need to get a room.

Yep, too bad FNC can't see the shill/water carrier that is Sean Hannity.

Like that kinda crap doesn't go on at other news outlets.

Give me a break.

The big difference is that Hannity is not used as an "anchor".  He is a commentator/GOP spinmeister and anyone with an average IQ gets that.  It's kind of like understanding the difference between hard news and an op-ed piece posing as hard news.

Matthews and Olbermann got slapped down for "editorializing" while being used as "anchors".  Fundamentals of "Basic Journalism 101".

Katie Couric, Brian Williams, et al, may well have liberal leanings, but they don't have a nightly program where they are admittedly in  the barrel for Obama and the DNC, nor have they been vocal critics of the Bush Admin, or John McCain.  They deliver news only, not commentary.  

Olbermann and Matthews both deliver commentary which makes it a slippery slope when it comes to them being chosen to deliver "news" of a political event, not "commentary".

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

Didn't think they'd have the gonads to do this, but it's proper and welcomed. Didn't really go far enough, though.

Olbermann needs a late night AM radio show and Matthews and Obama need to get a room.

Yep, too bad FNC can't see the shill/water carrier that is Sean Hannity.

Like that kinda crap doesn't go on at other news outlets.

Give me a break.

There is a significant difference.  I admit Hannity is about as inflammatory as Olbermann, but the main difference is that Hannity is nearly a BILLION dollar sponsorship machine for Fox, attracting advertisers across the board.  

Olbermann and Matthews have cost MSNBC sponsors, and they have very few to spare.

There is also a huge difference between a show in which both sides are presented (Hannity AND Combes) dedicated to being partisan and LIVE hosting of national political event coverage.

Yeah, like Colmbs gets his side of the story in very often.  Hannity is like all the other 'in your face' journalists like O'reilly.  If he doesn't like what you have to say, he shouts over you.

I don't hear KO doing that.  Didn't hear him doing that to Matthews, either.

Agreed. The difference is that the FOX Show is "Hannity AND Colmbs".  

Olberman's show HE is the moderator.  And, an extremely biased one.

I actually like Chris Matthews; he's a lifelong Tip O'Neill type of Boston Democrat, having worked on his staff. Matthews got sucked into the Olbermann vacumn cleaner mouth vortex, unfortunately for him.

If you watched them during the GOP Convention, frequently they were arguing with EACH OTHER.

[:O]

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

Didn't think they'd have the gonads to do this, but it's proper and welcomed. Didn't really go far enough, though.

Olbermann needs a late night AM radio show and Matthews and Obama need to get a room.

Yep, too bad FNC can't see the shill/water carrier that is Sean Hannity.

Like that kinda crap doesn't go on at other news outlets.

Give me a break.

The big difference is that Hannity is not used as an "anchor".  He is a commentator/GOP spinmeister and anyone with an average IQ gets that.  It's kind of like understanding the difference between hard news and an op-ed piece posing as hard news.

Matthews and Olbermann got slapped down for "editorializing" while being used as "anchors".  Fundamentals of "Basic Journalism 101".

Katie Couric, Brian Williams, et al, may well have liberal leanings, but they don't have a nightly program where they are admittedly in  the barrel for Obama and the DNC, nor have they been vocal critics of the Bush Admin, or John McCain.  They deliver news only, not commentary.  

Olbermann and Matthews both deliver commentary which makes it a slippery slope when it comes to them being chosen to deliver "news" of a political event, not "commentary".

Absolutely correct.

[waterboy]

Incorrect. Filled with assumptions and errors. I had Journalism 101 and there was never any such discussions. In fact I had Public Relations and Advertising courses in that college as well. Besides, Journalism as we knew it in the post WWII era is practically dead. Advocacy Journalism replaced it and now its evolved into just confused Journalism. That's why Stewart and Colbert are so funny. They understand that there is no real journalism so they fill the gap. Real news now is written by comedy writers!

While old fashioned journalism now exists in an abusive relationship between its enablers (the advertisers) and its wifebeating husband (the republicans). Meanwhile the myth is promoted that Couric, et.al. are all just demented biased liberals who won't treat the conservatives fairly. Hogwash. The networks are so whipped they don't even cover a lot of stuff. They're screwed as they watch the internet flourish because its still somewhat free.

Let's see. Answer me this: Who owns CNN and CNN Headline News? Who owns Fox News? Add in the local Fox stations and you have dominance of the cable news.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

Incorrect. Filled with assumptions and errors. I had Journalism 101 and there was never any such discussions. In fact I had Public Relations and Advertising courses in that college as well. Besides, Journalism as we knew it in the post WWII era is practically dead. Advocacy Journalism replaced it and now its evolved into just confused Journalism. That's why Stewart and Colbert are so funny. They understand that there is no real journalism so they fill the gap. Real news now is written by comedy writers!

While old fashioned journalism now exists in an abusive relationship between its enablers (the advertisers) and its wifebeating husband (the republicans). Meanwhile the myth is promoted that Couric, et.al. are all just demented biased liberals who won't treat the conservatives fairly. Hogwash. The networks are so whipped they don't even cover a lot of stuff. They're screwed as they watch the internet flourish because its still somewhat free.

Let's see. Answer me this: Who owns CNN and CNN Headline News? Who owns Fox News? Add in the local Fox stations and you have dominance of the cable news.

Not so quick.

No less than David Brinkley claimed there was a liberal bias:

"Earlier in the show the former NBC anchor and current This Week host acknowledged liberal bias. "Well, it's there and it doesn't show itself in everything that is printed or broadcast but it is there, and I think we're all used to it, we discount it. Some of the press also is more conservative and it's just the way the action is in this country and I don't know any way to change it. You just have to live with it."

http://www.mediaresearch.org/cyberalerts/2003/cyb20030612_extra.asp#1

More hogwash for you:

http://www.mediaresearch.org/realitycheck/2004/fax20040609.asp

I find it hard to believe that the great sin of "editorializing" by reporters was not beaten into your skull as it was with the rest of us.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

Incorrect. Filled with assumptions and errors. I had Journalism 101 and there was never any such discussions. In fact I had Public Relations and Advertising courses in that college as well. Besides, Journalism as we knew it in the post WWII era is practically dead. Advocacy Journalism replaced it and now its evolved into just confused Journalism. That's why Stewart and Colbert are so funny. They understand that there is no real journalism so they fill the gap. Real news now is written by comedy writers!

While old fashioned journalism now exists in an abusive relationship between its enablers (the advertisers) and its wifebeating husband (the republicans). Meanwhile the myth is promoted that Couric, et.al. are all just demented biased liberals who won't treat the conservatives fairly. Hogwash. The networks are so whipped they don't even cover a lot of stuff. They're screwed as they watch the internet flourish because its still somewhat free.

Let's see. Answer me this: Who owns CNN and CNN Headline News? Who owns Fox News? Add in the local Fox stations and you have dominance of the cable news.

Not so quick.

No less than David Brinkley claimed there was a liberal bias:

"Earlier in the show the former NBC anchor and current This Week host acknowledged liberal bias. "Well, it's there and it doesn't show itself in everything that is printed or broadcast but it is there, and I think we're all used to it, we discount it. Some of the press also is more conservative and it's just the way the action is in this country and I don't know any way to change it. You just have to live with it."

http://www.mediaresearch.org/cyberalerts/2003/cyb20030612_extra.asp#1

More hogwash for you:

http://www.mediaresearch.org/realitycheck/2004/fax20040609.asp

I find it hard to believe that the great sin of "editorializing" by reporters was not beaten into your skull as it was with the rest of us.

Liberal media bias is so much more than how they slant the news.

It is also the news they FAIL to cover.

The Spike.

They seem to especially loathe to feature successful African Americans who actually say they are Conservatives and/or Republicans.

There is a virtual boycott on that type of coverage.