Book banning scares the crap out of me

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by swake

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by swake

Can you imagine the howls of outrage that would come if Taylor were to fire the head of the Tulsa Library system for simply being a republican? Or any department heads at all? And Tulsa is something like 50 times larger.

Just imagine:  A Mayor firing someone from a previous administration.....how quaint.

Didn't Mayor Taylor fire several from the city attorneys office, and bring in her own: Deidre Dexter.

This whole story is a stinking, Obama's Mama inspired RED HERRING.  

NO books were ever banned.

Name ONE.....

But the librarian was fired.

And as for the Tulsa city attorneys, weren't they fired for cause for not discovering that the Great Plains deal was illegal and that they didn't even bother to present a defense or try to settle a lawsuit that cost the city more than $10 million?

What kind of self-pious pomposity thinks they know better how they can run a town in Wasilla Alaska from Jenks, Oklahoma?

Someone who's be challenged running a kindergarten picnic?

[Gaspar]

I didn't realize there were still libraries since Algore invented the internet.

Buy Amazon, read book, sell Amazon, big a$$ never leaves chair.

[FOTD]

Friendly Bear needs to change his moniker to Friendly Bear Crap.

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by swake

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by swake

Can you imagine the howls of outrage that would come if Taylor were to fire the head of the Tulsa Library system for simply being a republican? Or any department heads at all? And Tulsa is something like 50 times larger.

Just imagine:  A Mayor firing someone from a previous administration.....how quaint.

Didn't Mayor Taylor fire several from the city attorneys office, and bring in her own: Deidre Dexter.

This whole story is a stinking, Obama's Mama inspired RED HERRING.  

NO books were ever banned.

Name ONE.....

But the librarian was fired.

And as for the Tulsa city attorneys, weren't they fired for cause for not discovering that the Great Plains deal was illegal and that they didn't even bother to present a defense or try to settle a lawsuit that cost the city more than $10 million?

What kind of self-pious pomposity thinks they know better how they can run a town in Wasilla Alaska from Jenks, Oklahoma?

Someone who's be challenged running a kindergarten picnic?

Oh noes! A Personal Attack!

[FOTD]

The devil went after the inerds of his posts and not his faux person....

[carltonplace]

Why would she even broach that subject? Why would she ask someone what they thought about book banning? Really? Really-really?

They say there are strangers who threaten us,
Our immigrants and infidels.
They say there is strangeness to danger us
In our theatres and bookstore shelves,
That those who know what's best for us
Must rise and save us from ourselves.

Quick to judge,
Quick to anger,
Slow to understand
Ignorance and prejudice
And fear walk hand in hand

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by swake

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by swake

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by swake

Can you imagine the howls of outrage that would come if Taylor were to fire the head of the Tulsa Library system for simply being a republican? Or any department heads at all? And Tulsa is something like 50 times larger.

Just imagine:  A Mayor firing someone from a previous administration.....how quaint.

Didn't Mayor Taylor fire several from the city attorneys office, and bring in her own: Deidre Dexter.

This whole story is a stinking, Obama's Mama inspired RED HERRING.  

NO books were ever banned.

Name ONE.....

But the librarian was fired.

And as for the Tulsa city attorneys, weren't they fired for cause for not discovering that the Great Plains deal was illegal and that they didn't even bother to present a defense or try to settle a lawsuit that cost the city more than $10 million?

What kind of self-pious pomposity thinks they know better how they can run a town in Wasilla Alaska from Jenks, Oklahoma?

Someone who's be challenged running a kindergarten picnic?

Oh noes! A Personal Attack!

That would never come from the 'Quadruped of the People'!

[waterboy]

It was an indefensible act no matter how long ago. I would like to chalk it up to her naivete in dealing with subordinates but many here think her experience is substantial so it must be arrogance.

Banning books wasn't her intention and is a red herring of gigantic proportions. She wanted to put people in positions that would do the book shelf editting without direction. One of the clan.

Imagine, looking down from your position as mayor of the town and asking the town librarian, "Would you remove books from the library shelves if directed to?" and not knowing what kind of position that puts the librarian in? The librarian is probably the smartest person in town and stood up to the pressure. She should have been made mayor at that point.

[carltonplace]

That's even worse. I've worked for people like that before..I know the type. Brrrr.

[USRufnex]

Now, why would a card-carrying member of the Assemblies of God church do such a thing?!?

[swake]

Hey, she's not the brightest bulb in the box, she said on national television that maybe it would be a good idea to go to war with Russia over Georgia.

To be fair maybe she's thinking it's the Georgia with all the streets named after peaches. Or maybe she's not aware that Russia has all those old Soviet nukes and that it might really not be the best plan of action to go to war with Russia. You know, what with it likely leading to the end of the world and all. Oh wait, her church is all sure we are at the end of days anyway. Maybe it does all make sense.

[iplaw]

For anyone interested in reading an unbiased report of the facts here you go:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by swake

Hey, she's not the brightest bulb in the box, she said on national television that maybe it would be a good idea to go to war with Russia over Georgia.

Is she as bright as the bulb that wanted to take the issue to the UN where Russia holds veto power?

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

For anyone interested in reading an unbiased report of the facts here you go:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html

Just don't forget to read ALL of that website.

Like this:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/mccain-palin_distorts_our_finding.html

And this:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/off_base_on_sex_ed.html

How about this:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_mccain.html

Let's not forget:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/a_new_stitch_in_a_bad_pattern.html

So if you're gonna cherry-pick (granted this is about the Palin book-banning), let's work both sides of the aisle here.

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by swake

Hey, she's not the brightest bulb in the box, she said on national television that maybe it would be a good idea to go to war with Russia over Georgia.

Is she as bright as the bulb that wanted to take the issue to the UN where Russia holds veto power?

Here's the full text of the facts from your very own link. It's not flattering at all of Palin:

One accusation claims then-Mayor Palin threatened to fire Wasilla's librarian for refusing to ban books from the town library. Some versions of the rumor come complete with a list of the books that Palin allegedly attempted to ban. Actually, Palin never asked that books be banned; no books were actually banned; and many of the books on the list that Palin supposedly wanted to censor weren't even in print at the time, proving that the list is a fabrication. The librarian was fired, but was told only that Palin felt she didn't support her. She was re-hired the next day. The librarian never claimed that Palin threatened outright to fire her for refusing to ban books.

It's true that Palin did raise the issue with Mary Ellen Emmons, Wasilla's librarian, on at least two occasions, three in some versions. Emmons flatly stated her opposition each time. But, as the Mat-Su Valley Frontiersman (Wasilla's local paper) reported at the time, Palin asked general questions about what Emmons would say if Palin requested that a book be banned. According to Emmons, Palin "was asking me how I would deal with her saying a book can't be in the library." Emmons reported that Palin pressed the issue, asking whether Emmons' position would change if residents were picketing the library. Wasilla resident Anne Kilkenny, who was at the meeting, corroborates Emmons' story, telling the Chicago Tribune that "Sarah said to Mary Ellen, 'What would your response be if I asked you to remove some books from the collection?' "

Palin characterized the exchange differently, initially volunteering the episode as an example of discussions with city employees about following her administration's agenda. Palin described her questions to Emmons as "rhetorical," noting that her questions "were asked in the context of professionalism regarding the library policy that is in place in our city." Actually, true rhetorical questions have implied answers (e.g., "Who do you think you are?"), so Palin probably meant to describe her questions as hypothetical or theoretical. We can't read minds, so it is impossible for us to know whether or not Palin may actually have wanted to ban books from the library or whether she simply wanted to know how her new employees would respond to an instruction from their boss. It is worth noting that, in an update, the Frontiersman points out that no book was ever banned from the library's shelves.

Palin initially requested Emmons' resignation, along with those of Wasilla's other department heads, in October 1996. Palin described the requests as a loyalty test and allowed all of them (except one, whose department she was eliminating) to retain their positions. But in January 1997, Palin fired Emmons, along with the police chief. According to the Chicago Tribune, Palin did not list censorship as a reason for Emmons' firing, but said she didn't feel she had Emmons' support. The decision caused "a stir" in the small town, according to a newspaper account at the time. According to a widely circulated e-mail from Kilkenny, "city residents rallied to the defense of the City Librarian and against Palin's attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew her termination letter."

As we've noted, Palin did not attempt to ban any library books. We don't know if Emmons' resistance to Palin's questions about possible censorship had anything to do with Emmons' firing. And we have no idea if the protests had any impact on Palin at all. There simply isn't any evidence that we can find either way. Palin did re-hire Emmons the following day, saying that she now felt she had the librarian's backing. Emmons continued to serve as librarian until August 1999, when the Chicago Tribune reports that she resigned.