Interesting info on Community Organizers

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

As a note, in Alinsky's book he notes 11 Rules a successful Community Organizer must follow.

Rule 1: Power is not only what you have, but what an opponent thinks you have. If your organization is small, hide your numbers in the dark and raise a din that will make everyone think you have many more people than you do.

Rule 2: Never go outside the experience of your people.
The result is confusion, fear, and retreat.

Rule 3: Whenever possible, go outside the experience of an opponent. Here you want to cause confusion, fear, and retreat.

Rule 4: Make opponents live up to their own book of rules. "You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity."

Rule 5: Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It's hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.

Rule 6: A good tactic is one your people enjoy. "If your people aren't having a ball doing it, there is something very wrong with the tactic."

Rule 7: A tactic that drags on for too long becomes a drag. Commitment may become ritualistic as people turn to other issues.

Rule 8: Keep the pressure on. Use different tactics and actions and use all events of the period for your purpose. "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition. It is this that will cause the opposition to react to your advantage."

Rule 9: The threat is more terrifying than the thing itself. When Alinsky leaked word that large numbers of poor people were going to tie up the washrooms of O'Hare Airport, Chicago city authorities quickly agreed to act on a longstanding commitment to a ghetto organization. They imagined the mayhem as thousands of passengers poured off airplanes to discover every washroom occupied. Then they imagined the international embarrassment and the damage to the city's reputation.

Rule 10: The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative. Avoid being trapped by an opponent or an interviewer who says, "Okay, what would you do?"

Rule 11: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it. Don't try to attack abstract corporations or bureaucracies. Identify a responsible individual. Ignore attempts to shift or spread the blame.

I am going to look for these elements in Obama's campaign from this point on.  Lets see if we can identify them.

I dunno, Gassy, that list at least in part looks a lot like some of the tactics that the GOP likes to deploy.  Maybe we can see if we they do it too.  

Great insight Wevsus. This is the worst tactic I've seen Gas use to date. Couldn't even finish his first post. Had to walk away, get some coffee, settle down and try again. Desperation is obvious. If we don't agree with the resident party's guy, we're simply all seditious, Marxist, Communist, Socialist or just plain simpletons. Welcome back to the HUAC of the fifties. Marxists everwhere..."Save us John!"

People in business and politics routinely use Machiavellian principles laid out in previous centuries. So...I guess they're all seditious, monarchists.

Its not the techniques that matter as much as the motivations.

[we vs us]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

Great insight Wevsus. This is the worst tactic I've seen Gas use to date. Couldn't even finish his first post. Had to walk away, get some coffee, settle down and try again. Desperation is obvious. If we don't agree with the resident party's guy, we're simply all seditious, Marxist, Communist, Socialist or just plain simpletons. Welcome back to the HUAC of the fifties. Marxists everwhere..."Save us John!"

People in business and politics routinely use Machiavellian principles laid out in previous centuries. So...I guess they're all seditious, monarchists.

Its not the techniques that matter as much as the motivations.

I have to admit I thought that was about as radical as applying Sun Tzu to business.

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

As a note, in Alinsky's book he notes 11 Rules a successful Community Organizer must follow.

Rule 1: Power is not only what you have, but what an opponent thinks you have. If your organization is small, hide your numbers in the dark and raise a din that will make everyone think you have many more people than you do.

Rule 2: Never go outside the experience of your people.
The result is confusion, fear, and retreat.

Rule 3: Whenever possible, go outside the experience of an opponent. Here you want to cause confusion, fear, and retreat.

Rule 4: Make opponents live up to their own book of rules. "You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity."

Rule 5: Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It's hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.

Rule 6: A good tactic is one your people enjoy. "If your people aren't having a ball doing it, there is something very wrong with the tactic."

Rule 7: A tactic that drags on for too long becomes a drag. Commitment may become ritualistic as people turn to other issues.

Rule 8: Keep the pressure on. Use different tactics and actions and use all events of the period for your purpose. "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition. It is this that will cause the opposition to react to your advantage."

Rule 9: The threat is more terrifying than the thing itself. When Alinsky leaked word that large numbers of poor people were going to tie up the washrooms of O'Hare Airport, Chicago city authorities quickly agreed to act on a longstanding commitment to a ghetto organization. They imagined the mayhem as thousands of passengers poured off airplanes to discover every washroom occupied. Then they imagined the international embarrassment and the damage to the city's reputation.

Rule 10: The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative. Avoid being trapped by an opponent or an interviewer who says, "Okay, what would you do?"

Rule 11: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it. Don't try to attack abstract corporations or bureaucracies. Identify a responsible individual. Ignore attempts to shift or spread the blame.

I am going to look for these elements in Obama's campaign from this point on.  Lets see if we can identify them.

I dunno, Gassy, that list at least in part looks a lot like some of the tactics that the GOP likes to deploy.  Maybe we can see if we they do it too.  

Great insight Wevsus. This is the worst tactic I've seen Gas use to date. Couldn't even finish his first post. Had to walk away, get some coffee, settle down and try again. Desperation is obvious. If we don't agree with the resident party's guy, we're simply all seditious, Marxist, Communist, Socialist or just plain simpletons. Welcome back to the HUAC of the fifties. Marxists everwhere..."Save us John!"

People in business and politics routinely use Machiavellian principles laid out in previous centuries. So...I guess they're all seditious, monarchists.

Its not the techniques that matter as much as the motivations.

Not much of a tactic.  I just posted an article, then some information from Alinsky's book, then a letter from Alinsky's son.

I asked simple questions that no one bothered to answer.  I wanted some of the more liberal insiders to provide me with the answers and they did not even attempt to.

So I pose the questions again:

Was Obama an ACORN Community Organizer?
Did he teach the Alinsky Method for ACORN?
Did he work for the Gamaliel Foundation?

Answer me these questions three, and we can move on.

I have since Friday acquired a copy of Alinsky's book and would be happy to share some of the information with you, if you are interested?

I personally like this little diddy from chapter 2:

"The means-and-ends moralists, constantly obsessed with the ethics of the means used by the Have-Nots against the Haves, should search themselves as to their real political position. In fact, they are passive — but real — allies of the Haves...The most unethical of all means is the non-use of any means... The standards of judgment must be rooted in the whys and wherefores of life as it is lived, the world as it is, not our wished-for fantasy of the world as it should be."

The reason I find it so interesting is that Michelle Obama used it in her speech before the DNC when she said:

"Barack stood up that day," talking about a visit to Chicago neighborhoods, "and spoke words that have stayed with me ever since. He talked about "The world as it is" and "The world as it should be..."

The phrase is innocuous enough, especially if you embrace distribution of wealth philosophies, but it shows a very deep rooted connection to Alinsky's principals.

I have much more to share about this.  It seems that Obams is very fond of Alinsky's writing and it slips out in his speeches []. . . But it's probably nothing important.

Again I am adding no judgement here, I am simply researching, I am sorry if it makes you angry.

By the way I found in my reading that their are actually 12 principals that Alinsky pushes in the actual book, not 11 as I mentioned before.  It seems that many of the organizations that promote the Alinsky method always forget to post one on their websites and in their literature [:O].  It's always the same one too.

Fascinating book though.

Dedication on the first page for our bud FOTD:

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

As a note, in Alinsky's book he notes 11 Rules a successful Community Organizer must follow.

Rule 1: Power is not only what you have, but what an opponent thinks you have. If your organization is small, hide your numbers in the dark and raise a din that will make everyone think you have many more people than you do.

Rule 2: Never go outside the experience of your people.
The result is confusion, fear, and retreat.

Rule 3: Whenever possible, go outside the experience of an opponent. Here you want to cause confusion, fear, and retreat.

Rule 4: Make opponents live up to their own book of rules. "You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity."

Rule 5: Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It's hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.

Rule 6: A good tactic is one your people enjoy. "If your people aren't having a ball doing it, there is something very wrong with the tactic."

Rule 7: A tactic that drags on for too long becomes a drag. Commitment may become ritualistic as people turn to other issues.

Rule 8: Keep the pressure on. Use different tactics and actions and use all events of the period for your purpose. "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition. It is this that will cause the opposition to react to your advantage."

Rule 9: The threat is more terrifying than the thing itself. When Alinsky leaked word that large numbers of poor people were going to tie up the washrooms of O'Hare Airport, Chicago city authorities quickly agreed to act on a longstanding commitment to a ghetto organization. They imagined the mayhem as thousands of passengers poured off airplanes to discover every washroom occupied. Then they imagined the international embarrassment and the damage to the city's reputation.

Rule 10: The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative. Avoid being trapped by an opponent or an interviewer who says, "Okay, what would you do?"

Rule 11: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it. Don't try to attack abstract corporations or bureaucracies. Identify a responsible individual. Ignore attempts to shift or spread the blame.

I am going to look for these elements in Obama's campaign from this point on.  Lets see if we can identify them.

I dunno, Gassy, that list at least in part looks a lot like some of the tactics that the GOP likes to deploy.  Maybe we can see if we they do it too.  

Great insight Wevsus. This is the worst tactic I've seen Gas use to date. Couldn't even finish his first post. Had to walk away, get some coffee, settle down and try again. Desperation is obvious. If we don't agree with the resident party's guy, we're simply all seditious, Marxist, Communist, Socialist or just plain simpletons. Welcome back to the HUAC of the fifties. Marxists everwhere..."Save us John!"

People in business and politics routinely use Machiavellian principles laid out in previous centuries. So...I guess they're all seditious, monarchists.

Its not the techniques that matter as much as the motivations.

Not much of a tactic.  I just posted an article, then some information from Alinsky's book, then a letter from Alinsky's son.

I asked simple questions that no one bothered to answer.  I wanted some of the more liberal insiders to provide me with the answers and they did not even attempt to.

So I pose the questions again:

Was Obama an ACORN Community Organizer?
Did he teach the Alinsky Method for ACORN?
Did he work for the Gamaliel Foundation?

Answer me these questions three, and we can move on.

I have since Friday acquired a copy of Alinsky's book and would be happy to share some of the information with you, if you are interested?

I personally like this little diddy from chapter 2:

"The means-and-ends moralists, constantly obsessed with the ethics of the means used by the Have-Nots against the Haves, should search themselves as to their real political position. In fact, they are passive — but real — allies of the Haves...The most unethical of all means is the non-use of any means... The standards of judgment must be rooted in the whys and wherefores of life as it is lived, the world as it is, not our wished-for fantasy of the world as it should be."

The reason I find it so interesting is that Michelle Obama used it in her speech before the DNC when she said:

"Barack stood up that day," talking about a visit to Chicago neighborhoods, "and spoke words that have stayed with me ever since. He talked about "The world as it is" and "The world as it should be..."

The phrase is innocuous enough, especially if you embrace distribution of wealth philosophies, but it shows a very deep rooted connection to Alinsky's principals.

I have much more to share about this.  It seems that Obams is very fond of Alinsky's writing and it slips out in his speeches []. . . But it's probably nothing important.

Again I am adding no judgement here, I am simply researching, I am sorry if it makes you angry.

By the way I found in my reading that their are actually 12 principals that Alinsky pushes in the actual book, not 11 as I mentioned before.  It seems that many of the organizations that promote the Alinsky method always forget to post one on their websites and in their literature [:O].  It's always the same one too.

Fascinating book though.

Dedication on the first page for our bud FOTD:

You were obviously internet-savvy enough to dig up the other facts, but you can't conclude whether or not he used ACORN tactics during his time as a community organizer?

You're trolling now.  And not in the derogatory internet version of the word.

That's like asking if GWB used cocaine in his younger years.  You either don't know, or you're saying if you can't prove it, then the answer must be yes/no, whichever way is most advantageous for your argument.  You're the one that keeps bringing it up.  Last I checked, that means the burden of proof would be on the accuser.

[Gaspar]

It is the fact that no one will give me the answer that intrigues me.  There is no secret.

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

It is the fact that no one will give me the answer that intrigues me.  There is no secret.

I've looked and can find nothing derogatory about his time as a community leader.  If that's all you say you can find, you're definitely trolling and, as the conservatives around have taken to saying, 'sh*tting yourselves'.

[:O]

[Gaspar]

Ok, here's the hint.  You can find the answers to these questions in Obama's own books.  

The entertainment is that those who are so upset, running around in circles on this thread, haven't even referenced Obama's own writing.

I again have made no judgments, no inferences, simply brought up the subject.  I have not said anything to the effect that this is a positive or negative for Obama, just that the connection exists and is very strong, and that itself is enough to infuriate some.

So ask yourself, why would the connection to Alinsky, one that Obama himself admits,  make these people so angry?  Why would it cause them to lash out at me?  Have I personally condemned Obama for his relationship to this philosophy?

Nope.  I just asked questions that Obama has already answered.

I sought to understand what those who think differently than I know of Obama's past as a Community Organizer.  

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

I'm trying to understand Obama's past, and more specifically what a "Saul Alinsky" ACORN Community Organizer is.  This is from an article today in the UK's Spectator.  

The seditious role of the community organiser was developed by an extreme left intellectual called Saul Alinsky. He was a radical Chicago activist who, by the time he died in 1972, had had a profound influence on the highest levels of the Democratic party. Alinsky was a 'transformational Marxist' in the mould of Antonio Gramsci, who promoted the strategy of a 'long march through the institutions' by capturing the culture and turning it inside out as the most effective means of overturning western society. In similar vein, Alinsky condemned the New Left for alienating the general public by its demonstrations and outlandish appearance. The revolution had to be carried out through stealth and deception. Its proponents had to cultivate an image of centrism and pragmatism. A master of infiltration, Alinsky wooed Chicago mobsters and Wall Street financiers alike. And successive Democratic politicians fell under his spell.

His creed was set out in his book 'Rules for Radicals' – a book he dedicated to Lucifer, whom he called the 'first radical'. It was Alinsky for whom 'change' was his mantra. And by 'change', he meant a Marxist revolution achieved by slow, incremental, Machiavellian means which turned society inside out. This had to be done through systematic deception, winning the trust of the naively idealistic middle class by using the language of morality to conceal an agenda designed to destroy it. And the way to do this, he said, was through 'people's organisations'.

I guess this is why FOTD is happy.  Seems he and old Saul serve the same master.

ROTFLMAO! Caught me....rat out your source! Oh my, this revelation will doom all darksiders like the Obama's!

"As heads is tails
Just call me Lucifer
cause I'm in need of some restraint
So if you meet me
Have some courtesy
Have some sympathy, and some taste
Use all your well-learned politesse
Or Ill lay your soul to waste, um yeah
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name, um yeah
But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game, "

(source:Richards/Jagger)

Saul Alinsky dedicated his book, "Rules for Radicals", to Lucifer.

Barack Hussein Obama is a Community Organizer in the same mold as advocated by far-Left radical Saul Alinsky.

Who once offered a job to HILLARY upon graduation from Wellesley......

Instead, she went to Yale and met Slick Willie.

He dug her "natural" look, no bra and unshaven legs/armpits.

[we vs us]

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

Ok, here's the hint.  You can find the answers to these questions in Obama's own books.  

The entertainment is that those who are so upset, running around in circles on this thread, haven't even referenced Obama's own writing.

I again have made no judgments, no inferences, simply brought up the subject.  I have not said anything to the effect that this is a positive or negative for Obama, just that the connection exists and is very strong, and that itself is enough to infuriate some.

So ask yourself, why would the connection to Alinsky, one that Obama himself admits,  make these people so angry?  Why would it cause them to lash out at me?  Have I personally condemned Obama for his relationship to this philosophy?

Nope.  I just asked questions that Obama has already answered.

I sought to understand what those who think differently than I know of Obama's past as a Community Organizer.  

I don't think any of us give a damn about Obama's connection to Alinsky.  I think what we're in a tizzy about is your disingenuous way of "presenting" material.  You may somehow think what you're doing here doesn't show bias or is a great logic construct to get us libs to admit to some evil doing, but really all this has been is an obscure and idiotic gotcha game. Backing away with your internet hands in the air and saying, "Hey, just asking a question," is something that 15 year olds do when they've been caught being little pricks.  Which is, in this post, just what you've been.  

For the record, I don't find Alinsky's organizing tactics to be offensive, nor do I find his dedication to Lucifer -- which is there almost certainly to piss squares like you off -- to be out of line.  Let him do what he wants. He's been dead for more than 30 years anyway. I also don't find, if true, anything offensive about Obama embracing Alinsky's philosphies, nor can I find, in any of the passages you quoted, anything that might suggest that I should.  I have no idea if Obama was part of ACORN, nor the Gamaliel Society, and frankly could give two ****s, but now that I've heard that it gives you such vapors, I really truly hope he DOES belong to these groups and if he doesn't I hope he joins soon.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

As a note, in Alinsky's book he notes 11 Rules a successful Community Organizer must follow.

Rule 1: Power is not only what you have, but what an opponent thinks you have. If your organization is small, hide your numbers in the dark and raise a din that will make everyone think you have many more people than you do.

Rule 2: Never go outside the experience of your people.
The result is confusion, fear, and retreat.

Rule 3: Whenever possible, go outside the experience of an opponent. Here you want to cause confusion, fear, and retreat.

Rule 4: Make opponents live up to their own book of rules. "You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity."

Rule 5: Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It's hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.

Rule 6: A good tactic is one your people enjoy. "If your people aren't having a ball doing it, there is something very wrong with the tactic."

Rule 7: A tactic that drags on for too long becomes a drag. Commitment may become ritualistic as people turn to other issues.

Rule 8: Keep the pressure on. Use different tactics and actions and use all events of the period for your purpose. "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition. It is this that will cause the opposition to react to your advantage."

Rule 9: The threat is more terrifying than the thing itself. When Alinsky leaked word that large numbers of poor people were going to tie up the washrooms of O'Hare Airport, Chicago city authorities quickly agreed to act on a longstanding commitment to a ghetto organization. They imagined the mayhem as thousands of passengers poured off airplanes to discover every washroom occupied. Then they imagined the international embarrassment and the damage to the city's reputation.

Rule 10: The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative. Avoid being trapped by an opponent or an interviewer who says, "Okay, what would you do?"

Rule 11: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it. Don't try to attack abstract corporations or bureaucracies. Identify a responsible individual. Ignore attempts to shift or spread the blame.

I am going to look for these elements in Obama's campaign from this point on.  Lets see if we can identify them.

I dunno, Gassy, that list at least in part looks a lot like some of the tactics that the GOP likes to deploy.  Maybe we can see if we they do it too.  

Great insight Wevsus. This is the worst tactic I've seen Gas use to date. Couldn't even finish his first post. Had to walk away, get some coffee, settle down and try again. Desperation is obvious. If we don't agree with the resident party's guy, we're simply all seditious, Marxist, Communist, Socialist or just plain simpletons. Welcome back to the HUAC of the fifties. Marxists everwhere..."Save us John!"

People in business and politics routinely use Machiavellian principles laid out in previous centuries. So...I guess they're all seditious, monarchists.

Its not the techniques that matter as much as the motivations.

Not much of a tactic.  I just posted an article, then some information from Alinsky's book, then a letter from Alinsky's son.

I asked simple questions that no one bothered to answer.  I wanted some of the more liberal insiders to provide me with the answers and they did not even attempt to.

So I pose the questions again:

Was Obama an ACORN Community Organizer?
Did he teach the Alinsky Method for ACORN?
Did he work for the Gamaliel Foundation?

Answer me these questions three, and we can move on.

I have since Friday acquired a copy of Alinsky's book and would be happy to share some of the information with you, if you are interested?

I personally like this little diddy from chapter 2:

"The means-and-ends moralists, constantly obsessed with the ethics of the means used by the Have-Nots against the Haves, should search themselves as to their real political position. In fact, they are passive — but real — allies of the Haves...The most unethical of all means is the non-use of any means... The standards of judgment must be rooted in the whys and wherefores of life as it is lived, the world as it is, not our wished-for fantasy of the world as it should be."

The reason I find it so interesting is that Michelle Obama used it in her speech before the DNC when she said:

"Barack stood up that day," talking about a visit to Chicago neighborhoods, "and spoke words that have stayed with me ever since. He talked about "The world as it is" and "The world as it should be..."

The phrase is innocuous enough, especially if you embrace distribution of wealth philosophies, but it shows a very deep rooted connection to Alinsky's principals.

I have much more to share about this.  It seems that Obams is very fond of Alinsky's writing and it slips out in his speeches []. . . But it's probably nothing important.

Again I am adding no judgement here, I am simply researching, I am sorry if it makes you angry.

By the way I found in my reading that their are actually 12 principals that Alinsky pushes in the actual book, not 11 as I mentioned before.  It seems that many of the organizations that promote the Alinsky method always forget to post one on their websites and in their literature [:O].  It's always the same one too.

Fascinating book though.

Dedication on the first page for our bud FOTD:

You are exposing flaws in the character and competence of Obama the REDEEMER of the hard Left and its sycophant Main Stream Media.

The MSM and the hard-left radicals in control of the Democrat Party don't care that Obama's parents were Communists, meeting as they did in a Russian language class, the tongue of their philosophically adopted Mother country, the U.S.S.R.

Obama studied Political Science at Columbia University, with a degree conferred by the nest of domestic academic Marxism, home of Herbert Marcuse the mentor of UC-Berkley professor Angela Davis.

She participated in a Black Panther snatch of a Federal Judge, in which the judge was murdered.

We don't know which Marxist professors Obama studied under, but these and his classes are certainly listed on his college transcript, of which his campaign has BOYCOTTED the release.

Both Obama and Hillary are hard-core adherents of Saul Alinsky, with Hillary writing her Wellesley College senior thesis about Alinsky.  

His "Rules for Radicals" handbook for radical Marxist inspired change became Obama's literal bible.

Alinsky dedicated his book to Lucifer.

To LUCIFER.

Obama has a signed original.

[USRufnex]

Both Obama and Hillary are hard-core adherents of Saul Alinsky, with Hillary writing her Wellesley College senior thesis about Alinsky.


That's a big fat hairy bear LIE.  They both admired how Alinski worked for POOR WORKING PEOPLE ON THE SOUTHSIDE OF CHICAGO.

I'm sure you hated the union movement too.....

EVERYTHING is marxist and communist in your little cult-like friendly bear world...



Geez.

[waterboy]

What a waste of thread. There are no new ideas Gas. Just differing ways of presenting the same info. You seem to think this packaging of old ideas is dangerous to our country or you wouldn't bring it up.

You know who else was a radical not long after Lucifer? Jesus. Radical for his times and attacked for his beliefs, methods, and his work within the masses as an unpaid agitator against the existing system. But then, you guys might see him more as a Marxist, Socialist. And psst....they wrote a book about him that McCain and his cohorts often read and quote! Obama does too!!

Then you show mock surprise that people won't jump into your traps and just answer your questions. Indeed.

[Chicken Little]

And you know who was a radical after Jesus?  McCain...he's so mavericky.  [xx(]

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by USRufnex

Both Obama and Hillary are hard-core adherents of Saul Alinsky, with Hillary writing her Wellesley College senior thesis about Alinsky.


That's a big fat hairy bear LIE.  They both admired how Alinski worked for POOR WORKING PEOPLE ON THE SOUTHSIDE OF CHICAGO.

I'm sure you hated the union movement too.....

EVERYTHING is marxist and communist in your little cult-like friendly bear world...



Geez.

Alinsky offered Hillary a job when she graduated from Wellesley.

She considered it, then declined in order to attend Yale Law School.

Since Alinsky died in 1972, it is unlikely that Obama ever met his philosophical mentor.

Nonetheless, the DISCIPLES of Saul Alinsky indoctrinated the Columbia U. trained hard-core Marxist Barach Hussein Obama in Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals".

God, please save our country from Barack Hussein Obama!!

[USRufnex]

DISCIPLES... indoctrinated... trained hard-copy Marxist.... Barach Hussein Obama

You, sir are a propagandist... which explains your unhealthy fascination with Fox News...


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0307/3109.html

Falsifying information that is favorable to Republicans and problematic for Democrats is a regular tactic of Fox News. Specific examples are breathtakingly dishonest, including the Obama Madrassa smear, Carl Cameron's false claims that John Kerry referred to himself as a "metrosexual" and "news anchor" Brit Hume repeating the false canard that the public does not trust the Democratic Party on national defense.

But it's the sweep of the disinformation campaign that suggests a genuine pattern of propagandistic manipulation of the public. The Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland conducted a study in October 2003 of public knowledge and attitudes about current events, focusing on media consumption habits.  The study examined three generic misconceptions about the march to war in Iraq – alleged WMDs, purported Iraqi involvement in 9/11, and supported international support for a U.S. invasion of Iraq. While three-fifths of Americans held at least one of these misconceptions at the time, speaking to the poor quality of American punditry, Fox News viewers stood out – their viewers were "three times more likely than the next nearest network to hold all three misperceptions."

More than 80 percent of Fox News viewers had a basic factual misconception about the war in Iraq, which were coincidentally used by the Bush administration to justify their policies at the time.
This should not be a surprise, as the leadership of Fox News is heavily tied into the Republican Party apparatus. Let's start with the top. Roger Ailes learned his trade in 1968 at the feet of the granddaddy of GOP disinformation, Richard Nixon, continuing his career as a high level aide to Ronald Reagan's 1984 campaign, and crafting George H.W. Bush's media strategy in 1988, including the infamous Willie Horton ads.

Ailes isn't the only high level Republican operative in a position of authority at the network. Former "Fox News Sunday" host Tony Snow worked for President George H.W. Bush as a speechwriter, moved to the network, and then became White House press secretary for President George W. Bush.

Fox News, aside from its Republican leadership, supports the Republican Party overtly. As Robert Greenwald of Foxattacks.com and OutFoxed discovered, Fox News executive John Moody hands down a memo with Republican messaging themes each day to guide editorial content. Sometimes the support is more direct – just last month, Fox News personality Sean Hannity was the headline speaker at the South Carolina Republican Party's Annual Silver Elephant Dinner.

Falsification of information is bad enough for an outlet channel that calls itself a news organization, but the overt ties to the Republican Party are deeply disturbing for our democracy as a whole. This is not an ideological argument about diversity – Fox News is not really a conservative news channel, it is a Republican propaganda and surrogate operation, as Roger Ailes and Rupert Murdoch seem to have baked into their business model a wholesale allegiance to the Republican Party.