Another day, another lie from Palin/McCain

[swake]

McCain launches a new ad campaign that even FOX NEWS says isn't truthful

http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/09/18/mccain-to-push-obama-as-tax-and-spend-liberal/

From the new ad:
"And, we would pay — painful income taxes, skyrocketing taxes on life savings, electricity and home heating oil. Can your family afford that?"
From the Fox News story regarding that quote:
Obama officials take issue with that characterization, calling it a bald-faced lie, and independent groups like the Tax Policy Center have conducted analyses showing that Obama's plan will actually provide greater tax relief to the middle class.

[iplaw]

Depends on what the definitions of the words "shoot" and "moose" are.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by swake

McCain launches a new ad campaign that even FOX NEWS says isn't truthful

http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/09/18/mccain-to-push-obama-as-tax-and-spend-liberal/

From the new ad:
"And, we would pay — painful income taxes, skyrocketing taxes on life savings, electricity and home heating oil. Can your family afford that?"
From the Fox News story regarding that quote:
Obama officials take issue with that characterization, calling it a bald-faced lie, and independent groups like the Tax Policy Center have conducted analyses showing that Obama's plan will actually provide greater tax relief to the middle class.

I didn't see you respond to the Obama ad that ABC news said was a lie this morning.  For Christ's sake, get over it!  It's called politics and both sides fudge the facts in these ads.

BTW, you should try reading.  Fox news, quoting an Obama aid is not, de facto, calling the add a lie.  It's called reporting both sides of the story.

I know that's a confusing thought in today's current media Obamagasm.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by swake

McCain launches a new ad campaign that even FOX NEWS says isn't truthful

http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/09/18/mccain-to-push-obama-as-tax-and-spend-liberal/

From the new ad:
"And, we would pay — painful income taxes, skyrocketing taxes on life savings, electricity and home heating oil. Can your family afford that?"
From the Fox News story regarding that quote:
Obama officials take issue with that characterization, calling it a bald-faced lie, and independent groups like the Tax Policy Center have conducted analyses showing that Obama's plan will actually provide greater tax relief to the middle class.

No Swake, Fox news carried Obama's response which says it's not truthful.

Wow, one campaign said the other is lying.  We've not seen this before in a political season.

I might just have to vote for Obama now.

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by swake

McCain launches a new ad campaign that even FOX NEWS says isn't truthful

http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/09/18/mccain-to-push-obama-as-tax-and-spend-liberal/

From the new ad:
"And, we would pay — painful income taxes, skyrocketing taxes on life savings, electricity and home heating oil. Can your family afford that?"
From the Fox News story regarding that quote:
Obama officials take issue with that characterization, calling it a bald-faced lie, and independent groups like the Tax Policy Center have conducted analyses showing that Obama's plan will actually provide greater tax relief to the middle class.

No Swake, Fox news carried Obama's response which says it's not truthful.

Wow, one campaign said the other is lying.  We've not seen this before in a political season.

I might just have to vote for Obama now.

But, the story also confirms Obama's claim with quotes from independent watchdog groups.

And this isn't some liberal blog or even CNN, this is the more than a little right leaning Fox News.

[iplaw]

The story doesn't "confirm" anything.  It's called balanced reporting that takes information from both sides and allows the reader to draw conclusions.

There are other "independent" tax groups that call Obama's plan smoke and mirrors. Namely that his plan would INCREASE the deficit by 3.4 trillion dollars by 2018.  That number incidently comes from the same "independent" tax group that was quoted in the Fox story.

Obama does plan to give handouts to 40% of Americans who already don't pay taxes, but his plan raises taxes on small businesses from about 38% to 50.3%.

So unless you don't work for a big corporation or a small business you're safe from Obama's tax hikes...

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

The story doesn't "confirm" anything.  It's called balanced reporting that takes information from both sides and allows the reader to draw conclusions.

There are other "independent" tax groups that call Obama's plan smoke and mirrors. Namely that his plan would INCREASE the deficit by 3.4 trillion dollars by 2018.  That number incidently comes from the same "independent" tax group that was quoted in the Fox story.

Obama does plan to give handouts to 40% of Americans who already don't pay taxes, but his plan raises taxes on small businesses from about 38% to 50.3%.

So unless you don't work for a big corporation or a small business you're safe from Obama's tax hikes...

The issue here isn't the tax plan or it's impact on the deficit.

The issue is that that the McCain "straight talk" express has become the Complete Bullsh!t Express.

You can't trust a damn thing that comes out of that campaign anymore. Who cares how great McCain's promises are when he seemingly doesn't even care about trying to tell the truth?

Hell, even he said Obama wasn't calling Palin a pig, but that didn't stop his ads that said Obama did.

[iplaw]

No the issue is that you refuse to read without a biased, political filter.

Just like pmcalk, if you can't find a story that says exactly what you want, you find one that you can interpolate or massage into saying what you want it to.

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by swake

McCain launches a new ad campaign that even FOX NEWS says isn't truthful

http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/09/18/mccain-to-push-obama-as-tax-and-spend-liberal/

From the new ad:
"And, we would pay — painful income taxes, skyrocketing taxes on life savings, electricity and home heating oil. Can your family afford that?"
From the Fox News story regarding that quote:
Obama officials take issue with that characterization, calling it a bald-faced lie, and independent groups like the Tax Policy Center have conducted analyses showing that Obama's plan will actually provide greater tax relief to the middle class.

I didn't see you respond to the Obama ad that ABC news said was a lie this morning.  For Christ's sake, get over it!  It's called politics and both sides fudge the facts in these ads.

BTW, you should try reading.  Fox news, quoting an Obama aid is not, de facto, calling the add a lie.  It's called reporting both sides of the story.

I know that's a confusing thought in today's current media Obamagasm.

Actually, Fox News reporting both sides is the confusing part....

[:O]

[iplaw]

Not if you actually watch them instead of listening to other news organizations pissing and moaning about them.  Success tends to poison the well when it comes to competitors...

[:O]

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

Not if you actually watch them instead of listening to other news organizations pissing and moaning about them.  Success tends to poison the well when it comes to competitors...

[:O]

Actually I used to watch them quite a bit until they did become the 'RepublicanTalkingPoints News Channel', right around the time Bush took office.

Wow.  For someone to say Fox isn't biased is rich.  Take the blinkers off.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

Not if you actually watch them instead of listening to other news organizations pissing and moaning about them.  Success tends to poison the well when it comes to competitors...

[:O]

Actually I used to watch them quite a bit until they did become the 'RepublicanTalkingPoints News Channel', right around the time Bush took office.

Wow.  For someone to say Fox isn't biased is rich.  Take the blinkers off.

They only look conservative in comparison to the other dinos out there.  Every news org has reporters in the tank for one side or the other.  The idea of an "objective" news is nonsense in the first place.  That is, until computers are reporting the news, expect bias.

I find Fox delivers both sides far more often.  Even Oreilly, who is clearly a conservative, provides commentators from both sides when he discusses issues, just as he did every night after Obama's interviews.

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

Not if you actually watch them instead of listening to other news organizations pissing and moaning about them.  Success tends to poison the well when it comes to competitors...

[:O]

Actually I used to watch them quite a bit until they did become the 'RepublicanTalkingPoints News Channel', right around the time Bush took office.

Wow.  For someone to say Fox isn't biased is rich.  Take the blinkers off.

They only look conservative in comparison to the other dinos out there.  Every news org has reporters in the tank for one side or the other.  The idea of an "objective" news is nonsense in the first place.  That is, until computers are reporting the news, expect bias.

I find Fox delivers both sides far more often.  Even Oreilly, who is clearly a conservative, provides commentators from both sides when he discusses issues, just as he did every night after Obama's interviews.

Karl Rove thinks McCain's ads need to be more truthful.

When Karl Rove thinks a Republican has gone too far, in the real world that Republican has gone way, way, way too far.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by swake
Karl Rove thinks McCain's ads need to be more truthful.

When Karl Rove thinks a Republican has gone too far, in the real world that Republican has gone way, way, way too far.

Care to provide us all with a quote on this?  I saw the interview and that's not what he said.

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by swake
Karl Rove thinks McCain's ads need to be more truthful.

When Karl Rove thinks a Republican has gone too far, in the real world that Republican has gone way, way, way too far.

Care to provide us all with a quote on this?  I saw the interview and that's not what he said.

Sure, I can give you a quote:

"McCain has gone in some of his ads -- similarly gone one step too far," he told Fox News, "and sort of attributing to Obama things that are, you know, beyond the '100 percent truth' test."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/14/campaign.wrap/