Another day, another lie from Palin/McCain

[swake]

If you don't like CNN, here's FoxNews again:

Former Bush campaign guru Karl Rove said Sunday that both campaigns' attacks have "gone one step too far," adding that some McCain spots go "beyond the 100-percent-truth test."

http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/09/14/rove-mccain-attacks-have-gone-one-step-too-far/

[iplaw]

I still don't see where Rove said that McCain's ads needed to be more "truthful" which is what you claimed.  This is the problem of "ad-libing" with quotes.  I don't care what you're interpretations are.  Don't attribute statements or positions to people when they didn't say them.

Rove also went on to say:

"Both campaigns are making a mistake, and that is they are taking whatever their attacks are and going one step too far."

So is it just McCain going to far or Obama also.  You can't have it both ways.  Either Rove is correct or he's incorrect.  Which is it?

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

I still don't see where Rove said that McCain's ads needed to be more "truthful" which is what you claimed.

Rove also went on to say:

"Both campaigns are making a mistake, and that is they are taking whatever their attacks are and going one step too far."

So is it just McCain going to far or Obama also.  You can't have it both ways.  Either Rove is correct or he's incorrect.  Which is it?

What part of "attacks have "gone one step too far"" and are "beyond the 100-percent-truth test" are you not getting?

And please, this is Karl Rove. He wrote the book on dirty Republican campaigning; of course he is going to say that Obama's ads are wrong. Rove would boo Santa Claus if he found out he was a Democrat.

The story here is that one of the most partisan people on the planet thinks McCain's ads have gone too far.

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

I still don't see where Rove said that McCain's ads needed to be more "truthful" which is what you claimed.  This is the problem of "ad-libing" with quotes.  I don't care what you're interpretations are.  Don't attribute statements or positions to people when they didn't say them.

Rove also went on to say:

"Both campaigns are making a mistake, and that is they are taking whatever their attacks are and going one step too far."

So is it just McCain going to far or Obama also.  You can't have it both ways.  Either Rove is correct or he's incorrect.  Which is it?

It depends.

What is Turd Blossom's definition of 'correct' as opposed to the rest of the free thinking nation?

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by swake
What part of "attacks have "gone one step too far"" and are "beyond the 100-percent-truth test" are you not getting?

And please, this is Karl Rove. He wrote the book on dirty Republican campaigning; of course he is going to say that Obama's ads are wrong. Rove would boo Santa Claus if he found out he was a Democrat.

The story here is that one of the most partisan people on the planet thinks McCain's ads have gone too far.

What you seem not to "get" is his simultaneous indictment of Obama.  If he's right about McCain stretching the truth then he's right about Obama stretching the truth.  Unless you make a habit out of quoting people who lie as evidence to back up your claims.

I've asked you several times about the ABC story running today where they accuse the Obama campaign of running ads that are "unfair" and deliberately take quotes "out of context"

Here it is yet again, so you can ignore it again:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/from-the-fact-1.html

You can't have it both ways...oh right, you voted for John Kerry.  

My bad.

[Crash Daily]

IP, your wisdom is being cast as pearls to swine. They know you are right, they just don't want to admit it.

[iplaw]

I don't think it takes any wisdom to ask someone to be consistent.

Apply the same standards consistently across the board for each candidate.

IOW, don't point at the other guy and say he's lying when you're own nose is 10 feet long Pinocchio.

[swake]

I will say it. Obama's ad is bad and should be pulled.

I would say that the ad is similar to Bush ads tying Gore to Clinton, it's not fair to tie McCain to Limbaugh, they don't get along and often have fought in the past over issues, but, a vote for McCain is a vote that supports Limbaugh's positions being continued. It's not false, it's more a stretch. Calling Limbaugh McCain's friend is false.

As for the rest of the Ad, McCain has largely flip-flopped on his position on immigration reform and now sounds just like any other right wing Republican. Any hits he takes for that are earned.

Obama's ad is not as bad or as blatantly false as McCain's, but it still should be pulled. McCain's ad should have been pulled long ago when it's lies were confirmed and to build all new ads on the same falsehood takes real balls. It's all the more disturbing because McCain's whole political life is one of being known as a straight shooting maverick who went his own way. Well, he's thrown all that in the trash in this campaign.

I've always thought Obama was a little full of crap. His not taking federal campaign funds after he pledged to do so already showed that. His preaching too much daisies and sunshine about what's going to happen when he's elected confirms it. All politicians stretch the truth, it what you do to get elected and I've never liked Obama's missives on how he's SO different.

That said, the level of constant, blatant and unremorseful bullsh!t coming from McCain is shocking.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by swake

I will say it. Obama's ad is bad and should be pulled.

I would say that the ad is similar to Bush ads tying Gore to Clinton, it's not fair to tie McCain to Limbaugh, they don't get along and often have fought in the past over issues, but, a vote for McCain is a vote that supports Limbaugh's positions being continued. It's not false, it's more a stretch. Calling Limbaugh McCain's friend is false.

As for the rest of the Ad, McCain has largely flip-flopped on his position on immigration reform and now sounds just like any other right wing Republican. Any hits he takes for that are earned.

Obama's ad is not as bad or as blatantly false as McCain's, but it still should be pulled. McCain's ad should have been pulled long ago when it's lies were confirmed and to build all new ads on the same falsehood takes real balls. It's all the more disturbing because McCain's whole political life is one of being known as a straight shooting maverick who went his own way. Well, he's thrown all that in the trash in this campaign.

I've always thought Obama was a little full of crap. His not taking federal campaign funds after he pledged to do so already showed that. His preaching too much daisies and sunshine about what's going to happen when he's elected confirms it. All politicians stretch the truth, it what you do to get elected and I've never liked Obama's missives on how he's SO different.

That said, the level of constant, blatant and unremorseful bullsh!t coming from McCain is shocking.

Swake, I love your mock shock and horror.

Personally, we need more than a load of sunshine right now, but I do take solace in knowing the Oklahoma votes for Obama are for naught.

[}:)]

[Hoss]

Factcheck.org yet again in my inbox:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/there_he_goes_again.html

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

Factcheck.org yet again in my inbox:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/there_he_goes_again.html

A little late to the party.  I think we established that politicians on both sides create ads like this all the time.  

Is this your first election?

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

Factcheck.org yet again in my inbox:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/there_he_goes_again.html

A little late to the party.  I think we established that politicians on both sides create ads like this all the time.  

Is this your first election?

Hardly

[:O]

It just drives home my point about McCain  Make em ignore the issues with smear.

Deceive, inveigle and obfuscate.

[swake]

Now McCain (who has spent his entire legislative life as a deregulator) is FOR regulation in the markets.

I guess he really is all about change.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

Factcheck.org yet again in my inbox:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/there_he_goes_again.html

A little late to the party.  I think we established that politicians on both sides create ads like this all the time.  

Is this your first election?

Hardly

[:O]

It just drives home my point about McCain  Make em ignore the issues with smear.

Deceive, inveigle and obfuscate.

You ever bother to fact check the Lord Messiah's ads.  Factcheck has plenty of write-ups on his less than truthful ads.  Why do you ignore those?

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

Factcheck.org yet again in my inbox:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/there_he_goes_again.html

A little late to the party.  I think we established that politicians on both sides create ads like this all the time.  

Is this your first election?

Hardly

[:O]

It just drives home my point about McCain  Make em ignore the issues with smear.

Deceive, inveigle and obfuscate.

You ever bother to fact check the Lord Messiah's ads.  Factcheck has plenty of write-ups on his less than truthful ads.  Why do you ignore those?

Obfuscate...

Did I say he didn't?  If you look at factcheck.org, who has been getting their wrist slapped more since they're respective conventions?  It would be McCain/Palin.

Are you conveniently ignoring that fact?