American Airlines status

[Hoss]

Although a great idea, unfortunately, short hop and a singular platform (i.e. 737 only) fleet don't fit the travel needs of all people.

One thing SWA has tapped into that others could follow is quick gate turns.  That plane is still costing you money sitting on the ground and when it's on the ground, it's not earning revenue.  I've been told SWA has some really keen fuel buyers, but I can't imagine other majors don't have some of their own.

Another thing SW pilots do in Tulsa (not sure about how they'd go about it in other airports) is that during the fall/winter months, whenever they can, they ask for runway 8 or 26 for landing (which isn't a typical landing runway in TUL, as it's a crosswind runway and it's also non-precision, so it would be dictated by visibility).  What is the effect here?  If you were to look at a taxi map for TUL, the main landing runway is 18L/36R.  If you land to the north, as is common in the winter, you have a 1.5 mile taxi back to the gates.  Landing on the crosswind runway negates the majority of that.  Guess where the worst economy fuelwise is during flight?  You guessed it.  The taxi phase.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Although a great idea, unfortunately, short hop and a singular platform (i.e. 737 only) fleet don't fit the travel needs of all people.

One thing SWA has tapped into that others could follow is quick gate turns.  That plane is still costing you money sitting on the ground and when it's on the ground, it's not earning revenue.  I've been told SWA has some really keen fuel buyers, but I can't imagine other majors don't have some of their own.

I've flown direct from TUL and OKC to southern CA with no stops.  One stop to Seattle.  Neither of those are short hop to me.


AA, Delta, and United are all putting people on those little Embraer type jets for longer legs than a lot of SWA flights, too.  Pure stupid.  Always full enough to justify a 737 - most of the time with waiting lists and a second flight fairly soon after the first.  They are working on the same old unchanged BS plan they have used for decades and dumping on the passengers (customers!) to try to make up the difference for their lack of planning, foresight and managerial ability to run an airline.

[sauerkraut]

AA keeps saying that everything is ok, but the workers and union are un-happy campers and have been for years. There might be something to this bankruptcy thing they keep talking about it on the news and the stocks are down. We lost alot of airline companies during the past few decades.

[Hoss]

AA keeps saying that everything is ok, but the workers and union are un-happy campers and have been for years. There might be something to this bankruptcy thing they keep talking about it on the news and the stocks are down. We lost alot of airline companies during the past few decades.

Wow, did you think that up all on your own?

[heironymouspasparagus]

Continental has perfected the business of going out of business - they have been bankrupt a half dozen times in the last 30 years or so.

In the 70's, they were a decent airline.  Now, I wouldn't fly with them on a bet.

And now, their ex-CEO has joined the board of Boeing.  What a great way to ruin another company in a totally different industry!!!

[Conan71]

Continental has perfected the business of going out of business - they have been bankrupt a half dozen times in the last 30 years or so.

In the 70's, they were a decent airline.  Now, I wouldn't fly with them on a bet.

And now, their ex-CEO has joined the board of Boeing.  What a great way to ruin another company in a totally different industry!!!

Twice in 30 years doesn't equal 1/2 a dozen.

They've actually impressed me from a customer service stand-point far better than American, United, or Delta in the last 10 years.

[swake]

Twice in 30 years doesn't equal 1/2 a dozen.

They've actually impressed me from a customer service stand-point far better than American, United, or Delta in the last 10 years.

Continental doesn't exist anymore. United bought them a couple of years ago and is in the process of getting rid of the brand.


Flying them can be a complete cluster right now.

[Conan71]

Continental doesn't exist anymore. United bought them a couple of years ago and is in the process of getting rid of the brand.


Flying them can be a complete cluster right now.

That had slipped my mind until yesterday when I researched Heir's claim.

Why the big mess? Are they not still using the old Continental hubs like IAH and EWR for the routes they served? 

[DolfanBob]

I know that this is going to pi** on someones morning toasties but really, What is the population of Tulsa and the surrounding areas ?
And what amount of people does American employ ?
How come they are Tulsa's little darling and this city almost shuts down everytime American has a problem.
Will we really become Michael Moore's Flint Michigan if they go away ?
I know that you guy's know other industries here that have struggled and get way less fanfare as they crumble and go out of business.
I have no ax to grind against American. I dont even fly. Cant afford too. Being the middle class, taxed to death Father with to many kids to feed. It just burns my muffins that any day my boss can just shut down and my checks go away like thousands of others. And because I didnt get that job at a Company that employs a few Thousand. There will be no Tax breaks or Tax money thrown at my bosses business to keep me employed.
And I'm sorry. If I had a high paying job with benefits waiting for me in Dallas. I'm going to brush up on my Texican and move.

[Conan71]

I know that this is going to pi** on someones morning toasties but really, What is the population of Tulsa and the surrounding areas ?
And what amount of people does American employ ?
How come they are Tulsa's little darling and this city almost shuts down everytime American has a problem.
Will we really become Michael Moore's Flint Michigan if they go away ?
I know that you guy's know other industries here that have struggled and get way less fanfare as they crumble and go out of business.
I have no ax to grind against American. I dont even fly. Cant afford too. Being the middle class, taxed to death Father with to many kids to feed. It just burns my muffins that any day my boss can just shut down and my checks go away like thousands of others. And because I didnt get that job at a Company that employs a few Thousand. There will be no Tax breaks or Tax money thrown at my bosses business to keep me employed.
And I'm sorry. If I had a high paying job with benefits waiting for me in Dallas. I'm going to brush up on my Texican and move.

I think AA employs 8000 to 9000 in it's Tulsa operations and I believe is the largest private employer in NE Oklahoma.  Anyone else know for sure?

[Townsend]

I think AA employs 8000 to 9000 in it's Tulsa operations and I believe is the largest private employer in NE Oklahoma.  Anyone else know for sure?

I remember lower numbers but the same stat.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Continental doesn't exist anymore. United bought them a couple of years ago and is in the process of getting rid of the brand.


Flying them can be a complete cluster right now.

Yeah, they are just a brand name now.  Lot of that going on.


Maybe that just SHOULD have gone bankrupt a half dozen times!!  How about that - you guys were listening!  Will try to scale back on the exaggeration.  But not by much.  Gotta keep my hand in the game and try to keep up with "you-know-who".

I flew Continental quite a bit in the 70's - mostly to Denver....maybe it was always to Denver??  And I really LIKED that airline a lot!  At the time, was also starting to fly AA a lot and while AA was very good, I took Continental over them every chance I got.  Both very good then.

Remember Muse Airlines??

[Hoss]

I remember lower numbers but the same stat.

It's about 7000 right now according to my friend that works there.

[Conan71]

Yeah, they are just a brand name now.  Lot of that going on.


Maybe that just SHOULD have gone bankrupt a half dozen times!!  How about that - you guys were listening!  Will try to scale back on the exaggeration.  But not by much.  Gotta keep my hand in the game and try to keep up with "you-know-who".

I flew Continental quite a bit in the 70's - mostly to Denver....maybe it was always to Denver??  And I really LIKED that airline a lot!  At the time, was also starting to fly AA a lot and while AA was very good, I took Continental over them every chance I got.  Both very good then.

Remember Muse Airlines??

Muse, there's a name I hadn't heard in awhile.  Went the way of Braniff.

I used to love to watch the planes literally take off over I-70 at the old Stapleton Airport.  Remember the runway overpasses?

[Townsend]

Muse, there's a name I hadn't heard in awhile.  Went the way of Braniff.

I used to love to watch the planes literally take off over I-70 at the old Stapleton Airport.  Remember the runway overpasses?

Never heard of them.

http://www.museair.com/

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