Palin: To know her is to not like her so much

[Hometown]

"Shut up."

I don't think so.  You better hang onto your copies of my posts.

Now as our nation struggles with the mess you and your friends have created I want you to think about the final days of the Clinton administration -- prosperity and peace.  Then take a look around today at what your Party has given us.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

PM- a challenge to you. Can you name any redeeming qualities Joe Biden has, and what substance he could bring to the White House instead of constantly crapping on Palin?  Last I checked, he's running for the same office she is, not Obama.

Usually running down the opponent is the result of not having enough good things to say about your own candidate.  It deflects attention from the weaknesses or lack of substance in one's own candidate.  Must be the case here as I didn't see you defending Obama or Biden very much on other recent threads started on them.

Your obsession w/ Palin borders on needing latex.

Forgive me for "obsessing" about a woman who could very well be president, a woman who could be in charge of our nuclear weapons, a woman who could potentially put our country at risk of another war, who could put my sons in danger.  I have always been an Obama supporter.  But honestly I was never afraid McCain, but I am afraid of Palin.  I thought it showed tremendous independence when McCain referred to Falwell and the like as agents of hate.  Now he is running with one of those agents.  He chose a woman who has no experience (please, can we at least admit that proximity to a foreign country doesn't impart experience—you don't catch it like a cold) who would appeal to the radical right.  He purposely chose someone who would further divide our country, and has no business being in such a high position.  She is nothing but Bush with less experience.  

This is the republican party--I thought you guys didn't support affirmative action.

As for the reasons I support Biden, he has a very strong record on women's issues.  He has been at the forefront on issues regarding violence against women and equal pay (you can read more here:  http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,423843,00.html).  He played a critical role in keeping Robert Bork off of the Supreme Court.  His work in making college more affordable I agree with.  Chairing the foreign relations committee makes him an excellent candidate based upon his experience.  I supported his efforts to focus on the atrocities by Milosevic, and his attempt with Lugar to exhaust diplomatic efforts before going to war in Iraq.

On the other hand, I doubt he can shoot a moose.

You successfully tapped into the root of my distaste for Biden, not being able to shoot a moose. []

Comparing Palin to Falwell is a huge stretch, not even close.  Calling her ascension to VP candidate "Affirmative Action" is demeaning to all women.  So, she doesn't share your view on uterus vacuuming (10 out of 10 fetuses surveyed said they were against abortion).  There are far more women's issues out there- breast cancer, domestic violence, equal pay.  I'd be willing to bet there are less than 20 to 30% of all women who hold a very strong view, one way or the other, on abortion.  At least those who would consider themselves single-issue voters.

So being a governor of one of the less populated states doesn't equate to proper Presidential experience, eh?.

Democrats took a bet on a 46 year-old governor from a state amongst the worst in education and poverty in 1992.  Bill Clinton had a track record as a political chameleon, had his own troopergate (having troopers arrange his sexual liasiaons vs. trying to have a psychotic trooper fired who used a stun gun on a 10 year old child), known connections to the drug trade in Arkansas ("The Mena Connection"), a brother convicted of cocaine charges (this is important because Dims want to hold Palin accountable for members of her family), questionable real estate deals which saw close associates do prison time.

What foreign policy experience did Clinton bring to the White House?  Attending college at Oxford doesn't count.  He was Governor of a land-locked state.

What experience did Clinton have with oil and energy?  

What experience did he have with the banking and finance industry?

Turns out, history will be kind to Clinton's Presidency.  He brought no particular skill set with him to Washington other than a gift for the art of politics.  He was a politician's politician, a true charmer.  He was a consensus-builder, he surrounded himself with reasonably-good advisors (as does every President).  Clinton had been governor to a poor, land-locked state, prior to that he was an attorney general.

I fail to see where Sarah Palin brings anything less to the table than one of our most effective Presidents ever.  She is a likeable person (at least to those who don't have abortion hang-ups or just plain blind lib hang-ups), appears effective at getting initiatives through, and she takes command.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

"Shut up."

I don't think so.  You better hang onto your copies of my posts.

Now as our nation struggles with the mess you and your friends have created I want you to think about the final days of the Clinton administration -- prosperity and peace.  Then take a look around today at what your Party has given us.

Go back to the seventies you hippie. 9/11 never happened.

[Hometown]

My sister was born on September 11.  She was a lovely, very special lady that opposed the war, was an outspoken feminist and she was a union organizer.  I can remember her crying the night Robert Kennedy was assassinated.  When she went into the hospital where she died her truck was in the shop for repairs.  When I picked it up I saw that the mechanics had pulled the antiwar stickers off of the bumper.

9/11 does not belong to you.

[Conan71]

Shadows?

[waterboy]

HT, its becoming clear that Tulsa has a lot of those sign pullers, bumper sticker peelers and unrestrained conversation bullies.

The one question remains in my mind. Politics aside...Why Her? You had capable people, other women, other men who were better qualified. Why?

Those who would delude themselves into thinking this particular woman is capable should sign up for the service now and await her direction.  It is inevitable. Even if he makes it through one term, the presidency is a life sucking job. The pressure is constant, the controversy unrelenting. Eventually she'll be leading us.

[iplaw]

Waterboy, you're turning into quite the drama queen lately.  Who's being silenced around here?  Who's keeping you from speaking your mind?

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

My sister was born on September 11.  She was a lovely, very special lady that opposed the war, was an outspoken feminist and she was a union organizer.  I can remember her crying the night Robert Kennedy was assassinated.  When she went into the hospital where she died her truck was in the shop for repairs.  When I picked it up I saw that the mechanics had pulled the antiwar stickers off of the bumper.

9/11 does not belong to you.

Subject officially changed. Well, there's always the next time you take up the military's cause.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

HT, its becoming clear that Tulsa has a lot of those sign pullers, bumper sticker peelers and unrestrained conversation bullies.

The one question remains in my mind. Politics aside...Why Her? You had capable people, other women, other men who were better qualified. Why?

Those who would delude themselves into thinking this particular woman is capable should sign up for the service now and await her direction.  It is inevitable. Even if he makes it through one term, the presidency is a life sucking job. The pressure is constant, the controversy unrelenting. Eventually she'll be leading us.

Why her?  How about, why Obama? What the hell has he done that is presidential? What leadership qualities does he have that would place him above her? None.

[Hometown]

Speaking of the military Guido, I have never asked you about your military service.  I asked you what your moniker meant.  But your refusal to tell me about your military service when I never asked about it causes me to think there is a story there.

You have made my military service or lack of it your life's cause.  So I think it is fair to ask you about your military service.

Have you served in our military?

That's a simple question that can be answered yes or no.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

HT, its becoming clear that Tulsa has a lot of those sign pullers, bumper sticker peelers and unrestrained conversation bullies.

The one question remains in my mind. Politics aside...Why Her? You had capable people, other women, other men who were better qualified. Why?

Those who would delude themselves into thinking this particular woman is capable should sign up for the service now and await her direction.  It is inevitable. Even if he makes it through one term, the presidency is a life sucking job. The pressure is constant, the controversy unrelenting. Eventually she'll be leading us.

Why her?  How about, why Obama? What the hell has he done that is presidential? What leadership qualities does he have that would place him above her? None.

Carefully now. I'll shorten it for you and capitalize for emphasis. WHY HER?

Not HIM. I know why HE was chosen. There seems to be some basic requirements for the job that she has to stretch to reach.  He had a female Governor from New Jersey, I think, that was a maverick, even has a hyphenated last name. He had other governors that seemed more qualified.

Partisanship aside, I don't understand the choice at all and no one seems able to give a decent answer. If you don't want to answer fine.

IP, I'm confused. Have I ever shown any inclination that I wasn't a Democrat and left of center? I often find logic and reason in conservative politics, especially when espoused in a respectful reasonable manner but the republican party today is a foreign language to me. It really reminds me of a new religion.

[iplaw]

The question on Palin's experience has been answered umpteen times.  You just don't like the answer.  At least be honest about it.

She's as qualified to be president as Barack Obama.  They have had roughly the same amount of time served in public office.  Different offices, but public service nonetheless.

[waterboy]

More of the same. Thanks anyway.

Freak. I don't like her personality? There, all better now?

[iplaw]

Just for giggles, why don't we do a side by side of the two candidates and their time in public service.  Mind you, one of them is running for president, the other vice president:

Palin: 1992-1996 City Council Member
Obama: 1985-1988 Worked as a Community Oragnizer

Palin: 1996-2002 Mayor of Wasilla
Obama: 1997-2004 Illinois Senator

Palin: 2006-Present Governor of Alaska
Obama: 2004-Present US Senator (1/2 of this time has been consumed with running for POTUS)

Both had intervening times of school, work and family between their respective positions.

What I'm trying to figure out are the monumental differences that make Obama any more qualified than Palin?

[iplaw]

quote:Honestly, I don't care for her personally.

I didn't know you'd met?